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Laundry Service has sold 16.6 million of copies confirmed by ChartMaster. Shakira need to be in the second place. — Preceding
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Done Re-added with 13 million. Chartmaster.org is a website to avoid. Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 18:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus: Hey there! I moved the list from the draft space to the sandbox and made some reasonable changes criteria. For starters, I added Portuguese-language music albums as eligible for our friends from Brazil as well as an album being explicitly being labeled as "Latin" (or any of its subgenres). I'm basing the list on List of best-selling albums using a tenth of their sales criteria (2 million being the minimum instead of 20 million). What do you think? Also, I've seen sources that state that Laundry Service is Shakira's first non Latin album, so it's not listed here. Feel free to make changes as I continue to work on this page. EDIT: Here is one source that backs up what I'm saying. Erick ( talk) 00:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
On the page they use rolling stones as a reliable source for sales of Carlos Santana's supernatural album but when I used rolling stones for sales of Shakira in laundry service they reversed it, I would like to know the congruence. 181.64.231.32 ( talk) 20:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey @ آرمین هویدایی: I'm having trouble finding a reliable source that mentions Martin's 1999 album being a Latin(pop) album. The one source that was on the article was from About.com, but I had to remove it for the reason mentioned on the edit summary. Is there any reliable source that mentions it even being a Latin pop album (not a Latin pop artist)? Because I honestly do not want to remove it from the list, but I want to be fair at the same time. Erick ( talk) 00:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Magiciandude: Hi, I've just added Ricky Martin's MTV Unplugged sales as two million copies to its article with a reference. Since it is one of the highest-certified albums of all time in Mexico with 950,000 certified units in the country, with additional certifications in the United States, Argentina, Spain, etc., I guess selling two million copies worldwide makes sense and I suggest adding it to this list. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 19:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
I will look for MTV Unplugged now. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
It was the best thing I could find: [Miami Herald https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88386357/]: pop آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 14:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Magiciandude: Hi, I'm sorry I had a question/suggestion. Have albums with totally similar claimed sales been listed in a meaningful way? For example there are 11 albums with claimed sales of 4 million copies. Shouldn't we list rank them based on their certified units and change their places? Or for example based on their release year or something. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 22:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
So... bad news. I found a source that calls Almas del Silencio the first Latin album since Vuelve. Source. This contradicts the current source that calls the 1999 album a Latin pop album @ Apoxyomenus:, @ Markus WikiEditor: I honestly don't know what to do here... Erick ( talk) 04:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus:, @ 88marcus:, How are the Brazilian albums looking? Since I provided sources that the music industry counts Portuguese-language music as "Latin", I've incorporated sales of Brazilian albums from its best-selling article. But I do wonder if they represent actual worldwide sales or just sales in Brazil. I added O Canto do Cidade since it either sold 2-3 million copies worldwide, but I do not speak Portuguese, so I cannot verify the reliability of the sources I added. Erick ( talk) 08:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus:, @ 88marcus:, @ FanDePopLatino:, I'm just about ready to post this article, but would like to see any of you could scrutinize the sales for any possible sales inflations. I'd say I'm done with the article. Erick ( talk) 03:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
You say that Shakira's album is not Latin and I agree but I wanted to know, what differentiates it from Ricky Martin's crossover album? Both are English albums with 1 or 2 Spanish songs, both are crossovers, therefore Ricky Martin (album) should not be considered a Latin album when the same applies to it as Shakira's crossover album. AlexanderShakifan29 ( talk) 13:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
I found this AllMusic link where he specifies his genres such as Latin Pop and among others. Hope it helps: https://www.allmusic.com/album/laundry-service-mw0000016418 AlexanderShakifan29 ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Muhandes:, @ 88marcus:, @ Apoxyomenus:, @ FanDePopLatino:, I'm just about ready to post the article to the mainspace, but before I do, I want to make sure it satisfies what was stated AfD. I was about to remove the "claimed sales only" section, but decided to keep them, albeit without the genres because they're too hard to find given the lack of sources that talk about them. Otherwise, the genres on albums with certifications are listed. One final question, should there also be a certification minimum threshold? I just added Soy como quiero and Busca una mujer by Luis Miguel, but the only certifications available are only from Argentina. When you look at certified copies vs claimed sales for both albums, it's a huge disparity. By minimum threshold, I mean units like at least 500,000 copies certified to be included on the albums with certified units. I have no strong feelings one way or another about this and if consensus is to move them back to "claimed sales only", that's fine by me. Erick ( talk) 01:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
First of all, congratulations on the list. I don't want to be a nuisance, but there are some sources for claimed sales that could be questionable, like LOS40 (a radio network), esmas.com, meganoticias.cl and other local newspapers that talk about artists from their respective countries. According to glamourpath.com, Don Omar's The Last Don has sold 2 million copies. Also, radio station La Mega 106.9FM claims that Don Omar's King of Kings sold 6 million copies and a 2013 press release states that it sold 4.1 million copies. Should I add them? I know these are claimed sales, but this means that any news website can say anything without sources and that information would appear on this list. Brankestein ( talk) 12:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Los40 source indicates 4 million copies referring to his Italian album " Laura" not his Spanish album " Laura Pausini". I don't know if his there any sales source for his spanish album. Franlm14 ( talk) 20:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
De niña a mujer - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 6.015 million
Emociones - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 3.45 million
Julio - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 3.035 million
Raíces - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 2.84 million
La Carretera - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 1.51 million Franlm14 ( talk) 03:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Most sources such as this and this cites the album being sold 2 million copies sold. It's shipped at least 500,000 copies according to its article. Inflated or fine for the articled? Erick ( talk) 18:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
More to come... Erick ( talk) 04:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Erick (
talk) 06:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
-- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 01:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
List of best-selling Latin albums ( final version) received a peer review by Wikipedia editors, which on 2 April 2024 was archived. It may contain ideas you can use to improve this article. |
This article was nominated for deletion on 30 May 2021. The result of the discussion was Draftify. |
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The list is frequently edited in good faith; however, sales figures published by reliable sources may need to be verified with certification databases to avoid inflated figures. Albums without sufficient certifications to support published claimed figures may not be added to the list. Editors should expect all albums' claimed figures be supported by the following specified amount of certified units. To be on this list, albums must have:
Whilst we encourage editors to be bold, it is highly recommended to discuss changes on this talk page before editing.
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Laundry Service has sold 16.6 million of copies confirmed by ChartMaster. Shakira need to be in the second place. — Preceding
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Alejandro Ortiz 15 (
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Done Re-added with 13 million. Chartmaster.org is a website to avoid. Regards, -- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 18:29, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus: Hey there! I moved the list from the draft space to the sandbox and made some reasonable changes criteria. For starters, I added Portuguese-language music albums as eligible for our friends from Brazil as well as an album being explicitly being labeled as "Latin" (or any of its subgenres). I'm basing the list on List of best-selling albums using a tenth of their sales criteria (2 million being the minimum instead of 20 million). What do you think? Also, I've seen sources that state that Laundry Service is Shakira's first non Latin album, so it's not listed here. Feel free to make changes as I continue to work on this page. EDIT: Here is one source that backs up what I'm saying. Erick ( talk) 00:18, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
On the page they use rolling stones as a reliable source for sales of Carlos Santana's supernatural album but when I used rolling stones for sales of Shakira in laundry service they reversed it, I would like to know the congruence. 181.64.231.32 ( talk) 20:52, 25 May 2021 (UTC)
Hey @ آرمین هویدایی: I'm having trouble finding a reliable source that mentions Martin's 1999 album being a Latin(pop) album. The one source that was on the article was from About.com, but I had to remove it for the reason mentioned on the edit summary. Is there any reliable source that mentions it even being a Latin pop album (not a Latin pop artist)? Because I honestly do not want to remove it from the list, but I want to be fair at the same time. Erick ( talk) 00:40, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Magiciandude: Hi, I've just added Ricky Martin's MTV Unplugged sales as two million copies to its article with a reference. Since it is one of the highest-certified albums of all time in Mexico with 950,000 certified units in the country, with additional certifications in the United States, Argentina, Spain, etc., I guess selling two million copies worldwide makes sense and I suggest adding it to this list. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 19:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
I will look for MTV Unplugged now. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 14:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
It was the best thing I could find: [Miami Herald https://www.newspapers.com/clip/88386357/]: pop آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 14:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Magiciandude: Hi, I'm sorry I had a question/suggestion. Have albums with totally similar claimed sales been listed in a meaningful way? For example there are 11 albums with claimed sales of 4 million copies. Shouldn't we list rank them based on their certified units and change their places? Or for example based on their release year or something. آرمین هویدایی ( talk) 22:24, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
So... bad news. I found a source that calls Almas del Silencio the first Latin album since Vuelve. Source. This contradicts the current source that calls the 1999 album a Latin pop album @ Apoxyomenus:, @ Markus WikiEditor: I honestly don't know what to do here... Erick ( talk) 04:19, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus:, @ 88marcus:, How are the Brazilian albums looking? Since I provided sources that the music industry counts Portuguese-language music as "Latin", I've incorporated sales of Brazilian albums from its best-selling article. But I do wonder if they represent actual worldwide sales or just sales in Brazil. I added O Canto do Cidade since it either sold 2-3 million copies worldwide, but I do not speak Portuguese, so I cannot verify the reliability of the sources I added. Erick ( talk) 08:47, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
@ Apoxyomenus:, @ 88marcus:, @ FanDePopLatino:, I'm just about ready to post this article, but would like to see any of you could scrutinize the sales for any possible sales inflations. I'd say I'm done with the article. Erick ( talk) 03:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
You say that Shakira's album is not Latin and I agree but I wanted to know, what differentiates it from Ricky Martin's crossover album? Both are English albums with 1 or 2 Spanish songs, both are crossovers, therefore Ricky Martin (album) should not be considered a Latin album when the same applies to it as Shakira's crossover album. AlexanderShakifan29 ( talk) 13:55, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
I found this AllMusic link where he specifies his genres such as Latin Pop and among others. Hope it helps: https://www.allmusic.com/album/laundry-service-mw0000016418 AlexanderShakifan29 ( talk) 20:07, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
@ Muhandes:, @ 88marcus:, @ Apoxyomenus:, @ FanDePopLatino:, I'm just about ready to post the article to the mainspace, but before I do, I want to make sure it satisfies what was stated AfD. I was about to remove the "claimed sales only" section, but decided to keep them, albeit without the genres because they're too hard to find given the lack of sources that talk about them. Otherwise, the genres on albums with certifications are listed. One final question, should there also be a certification minimum threshold? I just added Soy como quiero and Busca una mujer by Luis Miguel, but the only certifications available are only from Argentina. When you look at certified copies vs claimed sales for both albums, it's a huge disparity. By minimum threshold, I mean units like at least 500,000 copies certified to be included on the albums with certified units. I have no strong feelings one way or another about this and if consensus is to move them back to "claimed sales only", that's fine by me. Erick ( talk) 01:27, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
First of all, congratulations on the list. I don't want to be a nuisance, but there are some sources for claimed sales that could be questionable, like LOS40 (a radio network), esmas.com, meganoticias.cl and other local newspapers that talk about artists from their respective countries. According to glamourpath.com, Don Omar's The Last Don has sold 2 million copies. Also, radio station La Mega 106.9FM claims that Don Omar's King of Kings sold 6 million copies and a 2013 press release states that it sold 4.1 million copies. Should I add them? I know these are claimed sales, but this means that any news website can say anything without sources and that information would appear on this list. Brankestein ( talk) 12:01, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Los40 source indicates 4 million copies referring to his Italian album " Laura" not his Spanish album " Laura Pausini". I don't know if his there any sales source for his spanish album. Franlm14 ( talk) 20:43, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
De niña a mujer - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 6.015 million
Emociones - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 3.45 million
Julio - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 3.035 million
Raíces - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 2.84 million
La Carretera - Julio Iglesias - Certified units: 1.51 million Franlm14 ( talk) 03:35, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
Most sources such as this and this cites the album being sold 2 million copies sold. It's shipped at least 500,000 copies according to its article. Inflated or fine for the articled? Erick ( talk) 18:11, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
More to come... Erick ( talk) 04:48, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
Erick (
talk) 06:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
-- Apoxyomenus ( talk) 01:08, 24 February 2024 (UTC)