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This page contains entries of places well beyond the bounds of the traditional "
Holy Land" in Christianity, including in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Sinai, i.e. the whole
Levant, while
Holy Land is characterized as "roughly located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Eastern Bank of the Jordan River"
, i.e. the area c. equivalent to modern-day Israel/Palestine. I'll be moving the page to reflect the more apt and less erroneous geography of
Levant if no one objects.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus below to not move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 18:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land → List of Christian holy places in the Levant – This page currently defines itself in terms of a religiously conceptualized space rather than a clear geography and is moreover not very WP:PRECISE. It is very much stretching the limits of the definition of " Holy Land" – a space that is variously defined, but in its typical sense is considered the Israel/Palestine area between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River. The contents of the page range far further than this, reaching deep in Syria to the North, Jordan to the East and the Sinai to the South. All of the places align quite well however with the area ascribed to the Levant in the sense used in the 21st century (as a term bracketing the Westernmost portion of West Asia), so this term feels like both more appropriate and precise term for delineating the geography here. Iskandar323 ( talk) 09:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
What about having the following variations available:
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Historic Palestine
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Palestine (region)
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Land of Israel
List of Christian holy places in the Land of Israel / Palestine (region)
List of Christian holy places in Palestine (region)
Etc etc etc - given that we have a number of geographic catch-alls being used for a region, there has to be a hyphenated one that can be sufficient and ease all these debates. Mistamystery ( talk) 05:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
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This page contains entries of places well beyond the bounds of the traditional "
Holy Land" in Christianity, including in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the Sinai, i.e. the whole
Levant, while
Holy Land is characterized as "roughly located between the Mediterranean Sea and the Eastern Bank of the Jordan River"
, i.e. the area c. equivalent to modern-day Israel/Palestine. I'll be moving the page to reflect the more apt and less erroneous geography of
Levant if no one objects.
Iskandar323 (
talk) 10:51, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Consensus below to not move. ( closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 ( talk) ★ 18:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land → List of Christian holy places in the Levant – This page currently defines itself in terms of a religiously conceptualized space rather than a clear geography and is moreover not very WP:PRECISE. It is very much stretching the limits of the definition of " Holy Land" – a space that is variously defined, but in its typical sense is considered the Israel/Palestine area between the Mediterranean Sea and Jordan River. The contents of the page range far further than this, reaching deep in Syria to the North, Jordan to the East and the Sinai to the South. All of the places align quite well however with the area ascribed to the Levant in the sense used in the 21st century (as a term bracketing the Westernmost portion of West Asia), so this term feels like both more appropriate and precise term for delineating the geography here. Iskandar323 ( talk) 09:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Edward-Woodrow • talk 14:24, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
What about having the following variations available:
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Historic Palestine
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Palestine (region)
List of Christian holy places in the Holy Land / Land of Israel
List of Christian holy places in the Land of Israel / Palestine (region)
List of Christian holy places in Palestine (region)
Etc etc etc - given that we have a number of geographic catch-alls being used for a region, there has to be a hyphenated one that can be sufficient and ease all these debates. Mistamystery ( talk) 05:37, 24 September 2023 (UTC)