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I've got two questions in mind. Should "Chinese" be equated with the PRC? and if not, shall we add the flags used by the ROC, as well as the flag used by the Ch'ing government? The other question is that as far as I remember colonial Macau had no flag. The flag was used by the concelhos de Macau (there's another flag for the concelhos das Ilhas). — Insta ntnood 17:59, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Should the maps of Manchukuo, Mengkiang, etc. be added to the historical section? — Insta ntnood 13:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I have swapped the pale blue flag used on the page for Macau because the flag that was listed in the edits prior to mine showed a variant of the government's flag (see image here.) This flag never really was official. According to FOTW, the flag of Portugal was:
Please note that this flag shouldn't be used to represent "Portuguese Macao," officially only the Portuguese national flag will do. Unofficially most people prefer the future Special Economic Region flag, or the municipal flag of Macao City.
In pre 1999 editions of the CIA World Factbook, the Portuguese flag was listed as the flag of Macau. See this entry from the 1999 Factbook, in particularly the flag listing and image.
Finally, this image on the BBC website was taken around the 1999 handover. You will see the Portuguese flag being taken down the flag pole, not the Macau government flag.
I hope this helps.
- Thanks, Hos hie | 11:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
This, File:Macau flag.gif, is the actual flag being used in Macau. Why change into the original version which is not being used????-- HeiChon~XiJun 14:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
The early Chinese Republic's army flag should also be included (this seems to have been important in the 1920's). There's a version of it at Image:Sjxqi.gif, but the proportions may not be quite right there (see a historic depiction in Image:Republic of China Flags.jpg). AnonMoos 06:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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Ok i think the flags for ROC and the flags of PRC should really seperate. -- Jerrypp772000 22:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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What did the white colour on this flag represent? The flag of the Republic of China article says Hui instead of Uyghur. Did the Republic of China government in those times use "Hui" to cover all people who practised Islam, including the Uyghurs? — Insta ntnood 13:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
it represented all muslims in china 162.84.135.252 ( talk) 05:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Referring to w:zh:中国国旗 from the ZH Wiki, that article is very in depth, giving detailed explanations and histories of each of the flags, and is marked as GA. The EN Wiki article in my opinion needs a bit more expansion, so that it becomes more than just "a list". The ZH version discusses different early drafts of the ROC flag, etc. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 16:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
China was censoring Google. Is it censoring WikiPedia as well???
Where are the 1975 – 1999 Flag of the Municipality of Macau and the Flag de facto used to represent the Portuguese territory of Macao? There seems to be discriptions for them, yet the flags don't appear. Graphs appear for other municipalities which may or may not, or never did have flags. But how can we really know now?
Is China throwing them down the Orwellian Memory Hole? It would be a shame if WikiPedia is now being hijacked by Chinese nationals who want to control the past. 210.133.127.14 ( talk) 07:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
This is incorrect. Before 1997, the PRC recognized British sovereignty over Hong Kong, and between 1975 and 1999, the status of Macao was agreed to be Chinese territory under Portugeuse administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readin ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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A lot of the flags here is also covered in list of Chinese flags and there are relatively few ones that are covered here but not there, thus I propose the merge The ChampionMan 1234 08:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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I found this video ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIu5Zpcekq8), and noticed that at around 7:00 minutes in a flag appears unlike anything I've seen depicted for the Communist Party of China. This film, "The Revolutionary History Song Performance" (革命历史歌曲表演唱), was, I'm pretty sure, sponsored by the Communist Party (Note the August First Film Studio [八一电影制片厂] introduction at the beginning), but that flag doesn't immediately click with me. It is a red flag with a sort of stylized plough(?) (similar to the Starry Plough (flag)). Does anyone know what this flag is and any part of the history behind it? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unknown_Chinese_Communist_Flag_(1920s%3F).png Zhonghua88 ( talk) 01:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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What is the source for the weird flags in the Selection of proposals section? I have asked the uploader, but not received an answer. See here. This section should be shrinked to small selection anyway, but without sources it should be removed completely. Watchduck ( quack) 11:33, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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I understand that this is supposed to be a very exhaustive list but the Fictional section seems particularly egregious since it seems to contain flags from anime, Paradox games, vexillology hobby spaces and the fever dreams of some particularly extreme anti-CCP chinawatchers. I'm not saying the section should be removed outright, but I think we ought to have a discussion if a lot of its content meets WP:N criteria. Andro124 ( talk) 17:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think I'm alone in believing that this article is too long. Its already the longest of all the national flag lists on Wikipedia, and I fear it will soon be impossible to parse. Not to mention it has surpassed 100kB in size (and yet only has 20 sources), meaning it should probably be split by WP:SIZERULE. I recommend a list of links to separate pages:
Which pretty much aligns with the sections already in the article. TypeKnight03 ( talk) 04:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
User:Swiãtopôłk added the flag. it should be removed because the original file does not contain a source and I searched it on google and didn't find anything about it AAAAA143222 ( talk) 17:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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This article is a mess so these flags should be removed
I would prefer not to decide which opposition organization deserves attention. It is easier and more reliable to add all of them, especially since there are not so many of them. Another reason they should remain is that they are easy to come across on the internet.
This is where the problem is, because it is possible that this organization has long been extinct. The flag appears on graphics that cannot be confirmed as being from TIP, either because of conspiracy or because TIP does not exist. I am not competent to say anything on this topic, so I would prefer to be consistent with the actual TIP article. If in here will be written that the whole topic is a product of Chinese propaganda, the flag with the Shahada should be moved to the fictional flags section as a flag disseminated on the Internet.
And these flags should be fixed
Flag | Name | |
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Labor safety and health | ||
Shanghai Jiao Tong University (No source for colors = original research) | ||
CCP (No reliable source) | ||
Chinese peasants association | ||
Chinese peasants association | ||
Flag of the Maoist Communist Party of China | ||
Beijing Students Autonomous Federation (no reliable source) | ||
Turkistan Islamic Party | ||
China Zhi Gong Party (original research) | ||
Fujian Peoples Government | ||
Most flags in the section "Selection of proposals" are not sourced | ||
Shanxi military government | ||
Concentric Patriot Alliance | ||
Amis | ||
Entire "fictional" section | ||
General Derge Se | The source of the image itself, the source is supposed to be in the book "The Story of Tibet: Conversations with the Dalai Lama", on the page 264, I can't check it yet | |
Chushi Gangdruk | ||
Cantonia (SupChina does not talk abt the flag and other two sources are unreliable) | [13] [14] the file is broken, don't do anything about it | |
Karmapa | [15] | |
Shanghai separatist movement | their website |
I've just re-added the the flag BSAFflag.svg Beijing Students' Autonomous Federation because of importance of that group was during the 64 Incident. It was deleted before because it had no source, there's I think there's enough evidence to say that the flag existed and was used. I've added a preliminary source ( "那一年的五四大游行". May 3, 2015.) which is self published. But is honestly the best one I could find. I know there's rules against self-published and primary sources, but I feel like in this case an exception because of the BSAF's historical importance. TypeKnight03 ( talk) 21:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
the flag "War flag of the Tanshan Hero Group (123rd Heavy Combined Arms Brigade)" should possibly be removed because it isn't relevant enough as a flag of a single portion of the armed forces AAAAA143222 ( talk) 12:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
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I've got two questions in mind. Should "Chinese" be equated with the PRC? and if not, shall we add the flags used by the ROC, as well as the flag used by the Ch'ing government? The other question is that as far as I remember colonial Macau had no flag. The flag was used by the concelhos de Macau (there's another flag for the concelhos das Ilhas). — Insta ntnood 17:59, August 27, 2005 (UTC)
Should the maps of Manchukuo, Mengkiang, etc. be added to the historical section? — Insta ntnood 13:43, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
I have swapped the pale blue flag used on the page for Macau because the flag that was listed in the edits prior to mine showed a variant of the government's flag (see image here.) This flag never really was official. According to FOTW, the flag of Portugal was:
Please note that this flag shouldn't be used to represent "Portuguese Macao," officially only the Portuguese national flag will do. Unofficially most people prefer the future Special Economic Region flag, or the municipal flag of Macao City.
In pre 1999 editions of the CIA World Factbook, the Portuguese flag was listed as the flag of Macau. See this entry from the 1999 Factbook, in particularly the flag listing and image.
Finally, this image on the BBC website was taken around the 1999 handover. You will see the Portuguese flag being taken down the flag pole, not the Macau government flag.
I hope this helps.
- Thanks, Hos hie | 11:10, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
This, File:Macau flag.gif, is the actual flag being used in Macau. Why change into the original version which is not being used????-- HeiChon~XiJun 14:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
The early Chinese Republic's army flag should also be included (this seems to have been important in the 1920's). There's a version of it at Image:Sjxqi.gif, but the proportions may not be quite right there (see a historic depiction in Image:Republic of China Flags.jpg). AnonMoos 06:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
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Ok i think the flags for ROC and the flags of PRC should really seperate. -- Jerrypp772000 22:56, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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What did the white colour on this flag represent? The flag of the Republic of China article says Hui instead of Uyghur. Did the Republic of China government in those times use "Hui" to cover all people who practised Islam, including the Uyghurs? — Insta ntnood 13:13, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
it represented all muslims in china 162.84.135.252 ( talk) 05:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Referring to w:zh:中国国旗 from the ZH Wiki, that article is very in depth, giving detailed explanations and histories of each of the flags, and is marked as GA. The EN Wiki article in my opinion needs a bit more expansion, so that it becomes more than just "a list". The ZH version discusses different early drafts of the ROC flag, etc. -- 李博杰 | — Talk contribs email 16:09, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
China was censoring Google. Is it censoring WikiPedia as well???
Where are the 1975 – 1999 Flag of the Municipality of Macau and the Flag de facto used to represent the Portuguese territory of Macao? There seems to be discriptions for them, yet the flags don't appear. Graphs appear for other municipalities which may or may not, or never did have flags. But how can we really know now?
Is China throwing them down the Orwellian Memory Hole? It would be a shame if WikiPedia is now being hijacked by Chinese nationals who want to control the past. 210.133.127.14 ( talk) 07:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
This is incorrect. Before 1997, the PRC recognized British sovereignty over Hong Kong, and between 1975 and 1999, the status of Macao was agreed to be Chinese territory under Portugeuse administration. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Readin ( talk • contribs) 15:13, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
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A lot of the flags here is also covered in list of Chinese flags and there are relatively few ones that are covered here but not there, thus I propose the merge The ChampionMan 1234 08:30, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
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I found this video ( https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIu5Zpcekq8), and noticed that at around 7:00 minutes in a flag appears unlike anything I've seen depicted for the Communist Party of China. This film, "The Revolutionary History Song Performance" (革命历史歌曲表演唱), was, I'm pretty sure, sponsored by the Communist Party (Note the August First Film Studio [八一电影制片厂] introduction at the beginning), but that flag doesn't immediately click with me. It is a red flag with a sort of stylized plough(?) (similar to the Starry Plough (flag)). Does anyone know what this flag is and any part of the history behind it? https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Unknown_Chinese_Communist_Flag_(1920s%3F).png Zhonghua88 ( talk) 01:51, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
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What is the source for the weird flags in the Selection of proposals section? I have asked the uploader, but not received an answer. See here. This section should be shrinked to small selection anyway, but without sources it should be removed completely. Watchduck ( quack) 11:33, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
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Reference named "auto2":
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 09:01, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
I understand that this is supposed to be a very exhaustive list but the Fictional section seems particularly egregious since it seems to contain flags from anime, Paradox games, vexillology hobby spaces and the fever dreams of some particularly extreme anti-CCP chinawatchers. I'm not saying the section should be removed outright, but I think we ought to have a discussion if a lot of its content meets WP:N criteria. Andro124 ( talk) 17:39, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think I'm alone in believing that this article is too long. Its already the longest of all the national flag lists on Wikipedia, and I fear it will soon be impossible to parse. Not to mention it has surpassed 100kB in size (and yet only has 20 sources), meaning it should probably be split by WP:SIZERULE. I recommend a list of links to separate pages:
Which pretty much aligns with the sections already in the article. TypeKnight03 ( talk) 04:48, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
User:Swiãtopôłk added the flag. it should be removed because the original file does not contain a source and I searched it on google and didn't find anything about it AAAAA143222 ( talk) 17:51, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
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This article is a mess so these flags should be removed
I would prefer not to decide which opposition organization deserves attention. It is easier and more reliable to add all of them, especially since there are not so many of them. Another reason they should remain is that they are easy to come across on the internet.
This is where the problem is, because it is possible that this organization has long been extinct. The flag appears on graphics that cannot be confirmed as being from TIP, either because of conspiracy or because TIP does not exist. I am not competent to say anything on this topic, so I would prefer to be consistent with the actual TIP article. If in here will be written that the whole topic is a product of Chinese propaganda, the flag with the Shahada should be moved to the fictional flags section as a flag disseminated on the Internet.
And these flags should be fixed
Flag | Name | |
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Labor safety and health | ||
Shanghai Jiao Tong University (No source for colors = original research) | ||
CCP (No reliable source) | ||
Chinese peasants association | ||
Chinese peasants association | ||
Flag of the Maoist Communist Party of China | ||
Beijing Students Autonomous Federation (no reliable source) | ||
Turkistan Islamic Party | ||
China Zhi Gong Party (original research) | ||
Fujian Peoples Government | ||
Most flags in the section "Selection of proposals" are not sourced | ||
Shanxi military government | ||
Concentric Patriot Alliance | ||
Amis | ||
Entire "fictional" section | ||
General Derge Se | The source of the image itself, the source is supposed to be in the book "The Story of Tibet: Conversations with the Dalai Lama", on the page 264, I can't check it yet | |
Chushi Gangdruk | ||
Cantonia (SupChina does not talk abt the flag and other two sources are unreliable) | [13] [14] the file is broken, don't do anything about it | |
Karmapa | [15] | |
Shanghai separatist movement | their website |
I've just re-added the the flag BSAFflag.svg Beijing Students' Autonomous Federation because of importance of that group was during the 64 Incident. It was deleted before because it had no source, there's I think there's enough evidence to say that the flag existed and was used. I've added a preliminary source ( "那一年的五四大游行". May 3, 2015.) which is self published. But is honestly the best one I could find. I know there's rules against self-published and primary sources, but I feel like in this case an exception because of the BSAF's historical importance. TypeKnight03 ( talk) 21:29, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
the flag "War flag of the Tanshan Hero Group (123rd Heavy Combined Arms Brigade)" should possibly be removed because it isn't relevant enough as a flag of a single portion of the armed forces AAAAA143222 ( talk) 12:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)