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I know CamelCase and snake_case but what about ala-lisp-case (supported by Perl 6 btw), does it go by another name? 82.67.232.89 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC).
The article uses both "upper case" and "uppercase", and "lower case" and "lowercase". Both seems OK, but I think they should be used consistently in the article (possibly with a comment noting that both spellings are acceptable). Andreas Kågedal
Reference 18 is a link to a lodash doc that defines "kebab-case" using a link to this Wikipedia article, I think it should be removed 50.59.178.98 ( talk) 00:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this be merged into Case (orthography)? - Gwalla 22:35, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
It would have helped to formally close the discussion at this point, by the time (2 months later and now 6 years ago) that the merge was done (tho in the direction opposite to that proposed).
There is no reason to delete the following comments, but all but one of the opinions they express should probably should be weighed in light of the fact that the respective opiners clearly did not take the trouble to investigate what content was proposed to be merged with the accompanying article.
Likewise, most of them failed to adequately weigh the previous comments.
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Jerzy•
t 23:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Since Unicode 5.1, the phrase "An example of a letter without both forms is the German ß (ess-tsett), which exists only in minuscule" is not entirely correct anymore. I think that should be mentioned here, but do not see how to do that nicely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.148.224.39 ( talk) 08:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Capitalization or capitalisation? I note that User:Dreaded Walrus fixed this inconsistency quite recently in Capitalization. The best (Oxford) references confirm the 'z' spelling as acceptable in both UK and US canons. So I've made the change in this article as well. Bjenks ( talk) 02:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the analogy of hiragana and katakana to English (or Roman) cases and/or italics. It's somewhat correct in that one or the other can be used where it wouldn't normally be to create emphasis, but it creates emphasis as a secondary effect unlike case or italics. Hiragana is generally used for words native to the Japanese language while katakana is used for foreign loan words and foreign proper names, or where a phonetic transcription of a word normally written in kanji is preferred. Emphasis is created when the wrong one is used because it is usually notably incorrect for the context, whereas italics are specifically intended to create emphasis. It's sort of a difficult quirk of the Japanese language to explain, however, so I'm wondering if it belongs in the context of this article. RockinHobbit ( talk) 22:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. I have no idea why this is in this section - however, I am not a native speaker, only a fluent speaker of Japanese as a second language, and so will defer to a native speaker who is also an expert in matters like this. It's obvious no such person has seen this text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.5.254.54 ( talk) 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Whether or not the matter requires more discussion, it was at least erroneous to say
Some, probably most, of the listed conventions may be less important than the things ineligible for that list. These include down-casing of "unimportant words", without a rigorous principle for specifying them, or even with the intent of context determining what is important. For example, two different short-story plots would justify the titles
or
or
respectively.
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Jerzy•
t 21:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
"the letters of upper and lower cases are spaced out equally. In ASCII they are consecutive, whereas with EBCDIC they are not"
Either i'm misunderstanding the intended meaning, or this is flat-out wrong! There are 6 characters—[\]^_`—between majuscule Z and minuscule a in the ASCII character set. Whilst in terms of codepoints 5 of these can be considered opposite case of {|}~@, lexicographically they are punctuation and accentuation symbols—not letters.
—
überRegenbogen (
talk) 17:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
The lede itself currently uses all three of: "lowercase", "lower case", and "lower-case". I don't want to start WWIII, but could one be picked as the standard? Cheers. GFHandel ♬ 00:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that in Arabic and Hebraic alphabets there are no capital letters. In fact, they do require letters of bigger size, but they are final letters instead of the initial ones, like in Latin and Greek alphabets since Renaissance. You should also say that during Ancient times there were non capital letters in Latin and Greek. And during Middle Age capital letters were used only at the beginning of a paragraph, not inside a sentence. Lele giannoni ( talk) 13:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
From the lead:
"Certainly" sounds like WP:OR. I think it should be changed to "including". Toccata quarta ( talk) 11:27, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
this issue isn't addressed in Brahmic scripts and not clear on google either. I guess people from South Asia could clarify this from direct experience. 76.119.30.87 ( talk) 17:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
"Titlecase" redirects to this article, but is not explained very well here... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Do any non-Latin alphabets have different letter cases? Seems like a huge omission to not even mention that other alphabets exist. -- Surachit ( talk) 22:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
ß Piggyray ( talk) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Looking at these cases, I am wondering if there is a name for the case in which the first letter of each line is capitalised. Some poems use such a case. (Ping me when you respond)-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
It's not actually about size. A 24pt lowercase a will be larger than a 6pt uppercase a. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.228.159 ( talk) 11:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
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Cyrillic is listed with bicameral alphabets, but one of the many good new/bad news surprises in learning Russian is the startling variety of italic forms in contrast to the big and little cases. It would be interesting to learn how many other alphabets have this characteristic. Italic type btw. is disappointingly latin-centric. Sparafucil ( talk) 20:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
everything is in the title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.81.235.71 ( talk) 08:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
UD? Kayou1488 ( talk) 19:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Is the use of the iota subscript in later Greek writing worth mentioning? TomS TDotO ( talk) 15:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Given that entries are supposed to add to a discussion of how to improve the main article, are not entries on cryptic subjects, (such as UD? and English), which can mean nothing to the general reader, and probably mean nothing to anyone, an abuse of this facility? Nuttyskin ( talk) 13:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)
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I know CamelCase and snake_case but what about ala-lisp-case (supported by Perl 6 btw), does it go by another name? 82.67.232.89 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:03, 20 January 2010 (UTC).
The article uses both "upper case" and "uppercase", and "lower case" and "lowercase". Both seems OK, but I think they should be used consistently in the article (possibly with a comment noting that both spellings are acceptable). Andreas Kågedal
Reference 18 is a link to a lodash doc that defines "kebab-case" using a link to this Wikipedia article, I think it should be removed 50.59.178.98 ( talk) 00:16, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Should this be merged into Case (orthography)? - Gwalla 22:35, May 10, 2004 (UTC)
It would have helped to formally close the discussion at this point, by the time (2 months later and now 6 years ago) that the merge was done (tho in the direction opposite to that proposed).
There is no reason to delete the following comments, but all but one of the opinions they express should probably should be weighed in light of the fact that the respective opiners clearly did not take the trouble to investigate what content was proposed to be merged with the accompanying article.
Likewise, most of them failed to adequately weigh the previous comments.
--
Jerzy•
t 23:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
Since Unicode 5.1, the phrase "An example of a letter without both forms is the German ß (ess-tsett), which exists only in minuscule" is not entirely correct anymore. I think that should be mentioned here, but do not see how to do that nicely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.148.224.39 ( talk) 08:16, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Capitalization or capitalisation? I note that User:Dreaded Walrus fixed this inconsistency quite recently in Capitalization. The best (Oxford) references confirm the 'z' spelling as acceptable in both UK and US canons. So I've made the change in this article as well. Bjenks ( talk) 02:16, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure about the analogy of hiragana and katakana to English (or Roman) cases and/or italics. It's somewhat correct in that one or the other can be used where it wouldn't normally be to create emphasis, but it creates emphasis as a secondary effect unlike case or italics. Hiragana is generally used for words native to the Japanese language while katakana is used for foreign loan words and foreign proper names, or where a phonetic transcription of a word normally written in kanji is preferred. Emphasis is created when the wrong one is used because it is usually notably incorrect for the context, whereas italics are specifically intended to create emphasis. It's sort of a difficult quirk of the Japanese language to explain, however, so I'm wondering if it belongs in the context of this article. RockinHobbit ( talk) 22:47, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. I have no idea why this is in this section - however, I am not a native speaker, only a fluent speaker of Japanese as a second language, and so will defer to a native speaker who is also an expert in matters like this. It's obvious no such person has seen this text. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.5.254.54 ( talk) 15:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Whether or not the matter requires more discussion, it was at least erroneous to say
Some, probably most, of the listed conventions may be less important than the things ineligible for that list. These include down-casing of "unimportant words", without a rigorous principle for specifying them, or even with the intent of context determining what is important. For example, two different short-story plots would justify the titles
or
or
respectively.
--
Jerzy•
t 21:56, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
"the letters of upper and lower cases are spaced out equally. In ASCII they are consecutive, whereas with EBCDIC they are not"
Either i'm misunderstanding the intended meaning, or this is flat-out wrong! There are 6 characters—[\]^_`—between majuscule Z and minuscule a in the ASCII character set. Whilst in terms of codepoints 5 of these can be considered opposite case of {|}~@, lexicographically they are punctuation and accentuation symbols—not letters.
—
überRegenbogen (
talk) 17:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
The lede itself currently uses all three of: "lowercase", "lower case", and "lower-case". I don't want to start WWIII, but could one be picked as the standard? Cheers. GFHandel ♬ 00:41, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
I don't think that in Arabic and Hebraic alphabets there are no capital letters. In fact, they do require letters of bigger size, but they are final letters instead of the initial ones, like in Latin and Greek alphabets since Renaissance. You should also say that during Ancient times there were non capital letters in Latin and Greek. And during Middle Age capital letters were used only at the beginning of a paragraph, not inside a sentence. Lele giannoni ( talk) 13:30, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
From the lead:
"Certainly" sounds like WP:OR. I think it should be changed to "including". Toccata quarta ( talk) 11:27, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
this issue isn't addressed in Brahmic scripts and not clear on google either. I guess people from South Asia could clarify this from direct experience. 76.119.30.87 ( talk) 17:24, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
"Titlecase" redirects to this article, but is not explained very well here... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Do any non-Latin alphabets have different letter cases? Seems like a huge omission to not even mention that other alphabets exist. -- Surachit ( talk) 22:04, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
ß Piggyray ( talk) 09:03, 24 January 2017 (UTC)
Looking at these cases, I am wondering if there is a name for the case in which the first letter of each line is capitalised. Some poems use such a case. (Ping me when you respond)-- TonyTheTiger ( T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
It's not actually about size. A 24pt lowercase a will be larger than a 6pt uppercase a. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.228.159 ( talk) 11:11, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
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Cyrillic is listed with bicameral alphabets, but one of the many good new/bad news surprises in learning Russian is the startling variety of italic forms in contrast to the big and little cases. It would be interesting to learn how many other alphabets have this characteristic. Italic type btw. is disappointingly latin-centric. Sparafucil ( talk) 20:44, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
everything is in the title — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.81.235.71 ( talk) 08:39, 3 July 2019 (UTC)
UD? Kayou1488 ( talk) 19:31, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
Is the use of the iota subscript in later Greek writing worth mentioning? TomS TDotO ( talk) 15:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
Given that entries are supposed to add to a discussion of how to improve the main article, are not entries on cryptic subjects, (such as UD? and English), which can mean nothing to the general reader, and probably mean nothing to anyone, an abuse of this facility? Nuttyskin ( talk) 13:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)