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The sentence about Larry first getting the idea when sitting in his backyard in a lawn chair is dubious, and I have marked it as such. It is in conflict with facts known to his biographer, Mark Barry, who has reported that Larry first got the idea to use balloons at age 13. I will do some more checking and may come back and remove those sentences. paul klenk 16:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
How is it contradictory that (1) he first got the idea to use balloons at 13 and (2) he sat in a lawnchair and thought that would be a good way to fulfull his childhood dream? Answer: It isn't contradictory. Are you still smoking crack when you write this stuff?
There is no mention of him doing the Sears for allegedly the same model of patio chair he flew, complimenting its sturdy design. I don't think that one's a hoax, I've seen scans of the ad on the net.
My bad, it was a Timex magazine ad. Allegedly he launched with a Timex wristwatch. Snopes sez 'Timex paid him $1,000 in 1992 to appear in print advertisements featuring "adventurous individuals wearing Timex watches"'. It was part of a campaign.
http://www.markbarry.com/lawnchairman.html is the most official source. It does not discuss the ad nor corroborate that he took off with one but under "Appearances" it does mention a Timex magazine ad. I was unable to track down a scan of that ad, I'm not sure if I ever saw it so it's questionable if a scan exists. Given the history of unsubstantiated additions to the story it's worth questioning, but Mark Barry does mention it and perhaps he would be the best person to verify that with.
Also there is a hilarious audio tape from the CB's emergency "REACTS" system he called on his CB. This covers talk between himself and his ground crew and later talk with an extremely confused air traffic control. That tape is quoted on Mark Barry's page and he supplies the audio file so I believe it to be authentic. It is found nowhere on the web but his site.
In the recording he mentions altitude several times, it appears his launch equipment must have also included an altimeter (as well as a Timex). At one point in the recording he says "my altimeter reads ..." so he does seem to have brought one.
The middle of the article claims that Larry planned to just hover for a little while, but the bottom of the article, about the Myths, says that he planned for a long flight and that that was his intentions all along. This needs to be resolved- both sentences can't be right. Andrewdt85 04:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC) 04:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC
Comment on "Contradictory facts in article": Mark Berry's online biography notes that a primary strap was intentionally cut, and a secondary strap accidentally snapped. This implies that he may have wanted 1) hover at some height, tethered to the ground, in which case he might still have wanted to spend a long time up in the air; or 2) he wanted to stick his toe in the water, so to speak, before actually being launched; or 3) he wanted a controlled ascent to a certain height to ensure he was free of obstacles before being cut loose. Therefore, both sentences may actually be correct.
The introduction claims Larry reached an altitude of 11,000 ft. Under the heading, Preparation and Launch, the altitude is claimed as 15,000 ft. The numbers need to be reconciled.
More poor logic:
I still thing there's a good bit of myth and misinformation in this article. In short, we must consider the likelihood that Larry lied about his intentions to escape prosecution. Rklawton 07:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think most people would black out from hypoxia at 16K. People go to Everest base camp all the time without supplemental oxygen, and that's 17K. Not doubting that hypoxia will knock you out, just questioning the height at which that happens for most people. Jrhoadley 13:01 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Bullet #9, under myths dispelled, stats that "Larry's chair was a piece of patio furniture, not a folding lawn chair." However Bullet #11, just below it, makes reference to "his lawn chair".
I just checked Wikipedia's entry on Hypoxia, and it says that Altitude Sickness onset occurs in 6 to 10 hours. There certainly is enough oxygen at 16K feet to stay conscious, so I think 16K feet is definitely possible. It wouldn't be pleasant, and he might have a bad headache and racing heartbeat, but it is highly unlikely he would black out. Jrhoadley 16:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The myths dispelled section says that it was not a folding lawn chair but that is contrary to the pictures here http://www.markbarry.com/tvshows.html. Mkshbeck 19:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't there a fictionalized version of Mr. Walters' story released last year. It featured the basic element of the balloons on a chair, but then had him land far away where he fell in love. While certainly not an exact adaptation, it must've been influenced by his story and deserves some mention.
The movie is called Danny Deckchair. It's on the TV right now as I type this. The chair with the balloons is probably based on Larry's flight, but the rest of the story is totally unrelated. I'd heard the Larry story, so the movie prompted me to look him up on the net. For information on Danny Deckchair, see
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337960/.
I'm glad the real Lawnchair Larry didn't live to see that movie. It was so sitcom-ish. Not that a good film couldn't have been made of his exploits, but Danny Deckchair wasn't it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.50.79 ( talk) 22:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The phrase "often mistaken as an urban legend" is a little inaccurate. "Urban legend" does not always mean false; it simply means it's a bit of folklore that is claimed to be true by the person telling it. What passes it from a news story into folklore is the changing of details. For example, every time the Darwin Award e-mail comes around, it claims this happened "last year" or some such (but I highly doubt that e-mail has been circulating since 1983). It's also often told that the man (with no name given) died, thus he was a candidate for that year's Darwin Award. Or sometimes we never hear what happened to him afterward, the story ending with Walters floating above LAX or JFK or the ocean but presumably having plummeted to his death. It's these exaggerations and mutations that make it an urban legend. -- Birdhombre 16:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Approximately what distance did Larry cover? According to Mapquest the distance San Pedro-Long Beach is about 7 miles / 11.5 km by road—maybe someone could come up with more accurate info. Thanks. Maikel 15:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I have to say that Larry's girlfriend Carol van Deusen appears to be the unsung hero of this epic. The way she stood by her man makes Tammy Wynette look like a pushover, a fair-weather friend and a quitter rolled into one. Is there any more information we could more information get on her, especially on her motivation? Maikel 15:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
In 2003, Bridget Carpenter wrote a play, "UP", centered around a fictionalized version of Larry and his (also fictional) family. The play has since been performed at major regional theaters, including the 2006 season of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, Oregon. This seems worth noting in the article. PavelCurtis 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I was always confused about this lawn-chair stunt. I'd heard it described as happening in upstate New York, not LA. I finally found the cause: an earlier effort! Garret (Gary) Cashman, age 27, took off from Albany, NY, using 70 weather balloons filled with natural gas and attached to a tiny seat. He rose to 6,000ft and drifted over 25 miles. And this occurred ...on September 9, 1954! Photos of his rig and his flight are in "Illustrated Current News Inc.," 9/13/54 no. 6408, New Haven, CT, as "Former dancing teacher flies aloft in 70 balloons."
According to both The Straight Dope and another article, Walters used 42 balloons, not 45.
The article claims he was arrested by the LAPD, but this is not mentioned in what appear to be the most accurate accounts of the story. - furrykef ( Talk at me)
A man from Bend, Oregon just accomplished a similar feat. If the 1954 flight could be confirmed, maybe a Category: Lawn-Chair Aviators should be created to house 3 articles about these individuals. -- Thirdmoon 17:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC) [1]
This section was moved here from the article and was tagged as unreferenced and POV. It is more appropriate here: Many exaggerated or simply inaccurate stories have circulated around the Web regarding Walters' flight. The following facts have been confirmed from interviews with his friends and family, and by analyzing a recording of his CB radio transmissions.
The Larry Walters article claims that Walters received an "honorable mention in 1982's Darwin Awards" but the Darwin Awards article says "The Awards have circulated since 1985...". Something sounds wrong there? -- Asianartfan ( talk) 13:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed this, as it's not a list of trivia but a list of valid pop culture references. Anyone going around marking pop culture lists with trivia cleanup note is going to have a lot of work on their hands. PacificBoy 05:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Like Who? Who else besides those two mentioned above I googled it but i couldn't find any? Can you guys show me any others? 24.7.204.215 ( talk) 04:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Can we add David Blaine's latest stunt to the list of imitator? [4]
This article says,
But Cluster ballooning says,
Which is it, if anyone knows?
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Is Walters a one-event person? WP:BLP1E and all that. Maybe we could rename this article to "Lawnchair Larry flight" and make the appropriate adjustments.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 03:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
It looks like the last line of the "In Popular Culture" section is just advertising some clickbait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viperfan7 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
There's already a cite to "Video", which is a YouTube video
[2] of Larry's appearance on
David Letterman's complete show of July 12, 1982, with more details of his flight than are mentioned in the article; he is on from ~10.45 to ~21.10, of a total 43 minutes (with ads cut). Before Larry is called onto the stage set, Letterman shows a brief video clip of the initial takeoff, and the arrangement of three vertically separate clusters of balloons.
I've also found an extensive article by
George Plimpton dated May 24, 1998, in
The New Yorker issue of June 1, 1998, titled The Man in the Flying Lawn Chair
[3]. Plimpton had interviewed Larry at length not long after his flight; and then after the suicide, he talked to Carol and her mother Margaret Van Deusen, and separately to Larry's mother Hazel Dunham and his sister Kathy. This article also includes far more details not in WP's article, or in the Letterman show.
There are several discrepancies between the Letterman and Plimpton interviews and other reports in WP's article, including the number of balloons, and the tilt angle of the chair (Letterman 40 or 45 degrees, but Plimpton only 10 degrees). However, in both of these two interviews Larry says that he was not strapped into his chair with a safety belt, because with the tilt he could not fall out. Milkunderwood ( talk) 09:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Soon to be a musical apparently: https://42balloons.com/ EzraJones ( talk) 12:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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The sentence about Larry first getting the idea when sitting in his backyard in a lawn chair is dubious, and I have marked it as such. It is in conflict with facts known to his biographer, Mark Barry, who has reported that Larry first got the idea to use balloons at age 13. I will do some more checking and may come back and remove those sentences. paul klenk 16:28, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
How is it contradictory that (1) he first got the idea to use balloons at 13 and (2) he sat in a lawnchair and thought that would be a good way to fulfull his childhood dream? Answer: It isn't contradictory. Are you still smoking crack when you write this stuff?
There is no mention of him doing the Sears for allegedly the same model of patio chair he flew, complimenting its sturdy design. I don't think that one's a hoax, I've seen scans of the ad on the net.
My bad, it was a Timex magazine ad. Allegedly he launched with a Timex wristwatch. Snopes sez 'Timex paid him $1,000 in 1992 to appear in print advertisements featuring "adventurous individuals wearing Timex watches"'. It was part of a campaign.
http://www.markbarry.com/lawnchairman.html is the most official source. It does not discuss the ad nor corroborate that he took off with one but under "Appearances" it does mention a Timex magazine ad. I was unable to track down a scan of that ad, I'm not sure if I ever saw it so it's questionable if a scan exists. Given the history of unsubstantiated additions to the story it's worth questioning, but Mark Barry does mention it and perhaps he would be the best person to verify that with.
Also there is a hilarious audio tape from the CB's emergency "REACTS" system he called on his CB. This covers talk between himself and his ground crew and later talk with an extremely confused air traffic control. That tape is quoted on Mark Barry's page and he supplies the audio file so I believe it to be authentic. It is found nowhere on the web but his site.
In the recording he mentions altitude several times, it appears his launch equipment must have also included an altimeter (as well as a Timex). At one point in the recording he says "my altimeter reads ..." so he does seem to have brought one.
The middle of the article claims that Larry planned to just hover for a little while, but the bottom of the article, about the Myths, says that he planned for a long flight and that that was his intentions all along. This needs to be resolved- both sentences can't be right. Andrewdt85 04:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC) 04:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC
Comment on "Contradictory facts in article": Mark Berry's online biography notes that a primary strap was intentionally cut, and a secondary strap accidentally snapped. This implies that he may have wanted 1) hover at some height, tethered to the ground, in which case he might still have wanted to spend a long time up in the air; or 2) he wanted to stick his toe in the water, so to speak, before actually being launched; or 3) he wanted a controlled ascent to a certain height to ensure he was free of obstacles before being cut loose. Therefore, both sentences may actually be correct.
The introduction claims Larry reached an altitude of 11,000 ft. Under the heading, Preparation and Launch, the altitude is claimed as 15,000 ft. The numbers need to be reconciled.
More poor logic:
I still thing there's a good bit of myth and misinformation in this article. In short, we must consider the likelihood that Larry lied about his intentions to escape prosecution. Rklawton 07:35, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think most people would black out from hypoxia at 16K. People go to Everest base camp all the time without supplemental oxygen, and that's 17K. Not doubting that hypoxia will knock you out, just questioning the height at which that happens for most people. Jrhoadley 13:01 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Bullet #9, under myths dispelled, stats that "Larry's chair was a piece of patio furniture, not a folding lawn chair." However Bullet #11, just below it, makes reference to "his lawn chair".
I just checked Wikipedia's entry on Hypoxia, and it says that Altitude Sickness onset occurs in 6 to 10 hours. There certainly is enough oxygen at 16K feet to stay conscious, so I think 16K feet is definitely possible. It wouldn't be pleasant, and he might have a bad headache and racing heartbeat, but it is highly unlikely he would black out. Jrhoadley 16:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
The myths dispelled section says that it was not a folding lawn chair but that is contrary to the pictures here http://www.markbarry.com/tvshows.html. Mkshbeck 19:52, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Wasn't there a fictionalized version of Mr. Walters' story released last year. It featured the basic element of the balloons on a chair, but then had him land far away where he fell in love. While certainly not an exact adaptation, it must've been influenced by his story and deserves some mention.
The movie is called Danny Deckchair. It's on the TV right now as I type this. The chair with the balloons is probably based on Larry's flight, but the rest of the story is totally unrelated. I'd heard the Larry story, so the movie prompted me to look him up on the net. For information on Danny Deckchair, see
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0337960/.
I'm glad the real Lawnchair Larry didn't live to see that movie. It was so sitcom-ish. Not that a good film couldn't have been made of his exploits, but Danny Deckchair wasn't it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.50.79 ( talk) 22:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
The phrase "often mistaken as an urban legend" is a little inaccurate. "Urban legend" does not always mean false; it simply means it's a bit of folklore that is claimed to be true by the person telling it. What passes it from a news story into folklore is the changing of details. For example, every time the Darwin Award e-mail comes around, it claims this happened "last year" or some such (but I highly doubt that e-mail has been circulating since 1983). It's also often told that the man (with no name given) died, thus he was a candidate for that year's Darwin Award. Or sometimes we never hear what happened to him afterward, the story ending with Walters floating above LAX or JFK or the ocean but presumably having plummeted to his death. It's these exaggerations and mutations that make it an urban legend. -- Birdhombre 16:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Approximately what distance did Larry cover? According to Mapquest the distance San Pedro-Long Beach is about 7 miles / 11.5 km by road—maybe someone could come up with more accurate info. Thanks. Maikel 15:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I have to say that Larry's girlfriend Carol van Deusen appears to be the unsung hero of this epic. The way she stood by her man makes Tammy Wynette look like a pushover, a fair-weather friend and a quitter rolled into one. Is there any more information we could more information get on her, especially on her motivation? Maikel 15:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
In 2003, Bridget Carpenter wrote a play, "UP", centered around a fictionalized version of Larry and his (also fictional) family. The play has since been performed at major regional theaters, including the 2006 season of the Oregon Shakespeare Festival in Ashland, Oregon. This seems worth noting in the article. PavelCurtis 18:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
I was always confused about this lawn-chair stunt. I'd heard it described as happening in upstate New York, not LA. I finally found the cause: an earlier effort! Garret (Gary) Cashman, age 27, took off from Albany, NY, using 70 weather balloons filled with natural gas and attached to a tiny seat. He rose to 6,000ft and drifted over 25 miles. And this occurred ...on September 9, 1954! Photos of his rig and his flight are in "Illustrated Current News Inc.," 9/13/54 no. 6408, New Haven, CT, as "Former dancing teacher flies aloft in 70 balloons."
According to both The Straight Dope and another article, Walters used 42 balloons, not 45.
The article claims he was arrested by the LAPD, but this is not mentioned in what appear to be the most accurate accounts of the story. - furrykef ( Talk at me)
A man from Bend, Oregon just accomplished a similar feat. If the 1954 flight could be confirmed, maybe a Category: Lawn-Chair Aviators should be created to house 3 articles about these individuals. -- Thirdmoon 17:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC) [1]
This section was moved here from the article and was tagged as unreferenced and POV. It is more appropriate here: Many exaggerated or simply inaccurate stories have circulated around the Web regarding Walters' flight. The following facts have been confirmed from interviews with his friends and family, and by analyzing a recording of his CB radio transmissions.
The Larry Walters article claims that Walters received an "honorable mention in 1982's Darwin Awards" but the Darwin Awards article says "The Awards have circulated since 1985...". Something sounds wrong there? -- Asianartfan ( talk) 13:35, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I removed this, as it's not a list of trivia but a list of valid pop culture references. Anyone going around marking pop culture lists with trivia cleanup note is going to have a lot of work on their hands. PacificBoy 05:24, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
Like Who? Who else besides those two mentioned above I googled it but i couldn't find any? Can you guys show me any others? 24.7.204.215 ( talk) 04:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Can we add David Blaine's latest stunt to the list of imitator? [4]
This article says,
But Cluster ballooning says,
Which is it, if anyone knows?
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Is Walters a one-event person? WP:BLP1E and all that. Maybe we could rename this article to "Lawnchair Larry flight" and make the appropriate adjustments.-- Sa57arc ( talk) 03:46, 12 October 2018 (UTC)
It looks like the last line of the "In Popular Culture" section is just advertising some clickbait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viperfan7 ( talk • contribs) 01:22, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
There's already a cite to "Video", which is a YouTube video
[2] of Larry's appearance on
David Letterman's complete show of July 12, 1982, with more details of his flight than are mentioned in the article; he is on from ~10.45 to ~21.10, of a total 43 minutes (with ads cut). Before Larry is called onto the stage set, Letterman shows a brief video clip of the initial takeoff, and the arrangement of three vertically separate clusters of balloons.
I've also found an extensive article by
George Plimpton dated May 24, 1998, in
The New Yorker issue of June 1, 1998, titled The Man in the Flying Lawn Chair
[3]. Plimpton had interviewed Larry at length not long after his flight; and then after the suicide, he talked to Carol and her mother Margaret Van Deusen, and separately to Larry's mother Hazel Dunham and his sister Kathy. This article also includes far more details not in WP's article, or in the Letterman show.
There are several discrepancies between the Letterman and Plimpton interviews and other reports in WP's article, including the number of balloons, and the tilt angle of the chair (Letterman 40 or 45 degrees, but Plimpton only 10 degrees). However, in both of these two interviews Larry says that he was not strapped into his chair with a safety belt, because with the tilt he could not fall out. Milkunderwood ( talk) 09:27, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Soon to be a musical apparently: https://42balloons.com/ EzraJones ( talk) 12:52, 18 April 2024 (UTC)