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May I suggest a restriction on editing, due to repeated vandalism? dool325 04:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Mentioning the auto accident, would that have been done had Laura Bush been the wife of a Democrat president? If I go look at the Wikipedia entry for Lady Bird Johnson, will I find the fact that Lady Bird failed to show up for the dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial? I bet not. Point being: There's way, way too much political bias in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 ( talk) 19:50, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
The note about the degree is ambiguous—second to hold any Master of Science degree, or second to hold Master of Library Science? Also, I can't find any mention of Hillary's degree through my googling. (maybe I'll actually have to read a book, heh) &mdash Mulad, May 29, 2003
Did Mrs. Bush do much active campaigning? Does she speak publicly much as First Lady? -- Robert Merkel 12:50 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think Laura would be proud to mention this new book by daughter Jenna Bush - Ana's Story: A Journey of Hope
An internet search for "Michael Douglas" and "Laura Bush" retrieves zero hits. Kingturtle 00:40, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
"Fatally wounded"? Surely this is a euphemism for "killed"? -- Attila the Pooh 18:48, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No, there is not - it's just one of those rumors that goes around based on nothing. They knew each other because they went to the same high school. They were not dating. "Acquaintence" or "High school friend" would be accurate -- boyfriend is not. --
"Her husband often endearingly refers to her with the nickname 'lump in my bed'."
Regarding the "lump in my bed" quote, I was unable to confirm our claim that he "often" calls her that. Indeed, a search on the phrase "lump in my bed" mostly turns up Wikipedia and wikipedia licensees!
This transcript strongly suggests that Laura Bush (or a speechwriter) made up a bogus poem as a joke. She does say (also apparently joking? but I can't be sure) "Well, he really did call me that, of course, but..."
In any event, there seems to be no justification for us to assert that this is something that George W. Bush says "often". Katahon 21:17, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The family pic is all over the goddamn place. This page is already crowded enough. Hopefully, Bush political family is linked somewhere and that's where the photo is relevant.
Why do we have two photos of the mexican state visit? Why not a photo of another visit or function? I'm thinking of moving one the mexican photos, given how crowded it is in the article. -- Jia ng 04:10, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Why do we have four pictures (or five) at all? One or, at most, two, is sufficient in an article of this size. Rick K 04:23, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm more or less trying to find pictures that display a person, and post them in the article that the person is in. Four or five can fit in this article, provided they are "downsized" enough. I think this article can handle it, perhaps if it is beefed up a bit more.
Oh, and as for the two photos, the reason is that those are the only ones I can find! Though you can replace one with the family pic. I don't think it matters if the pic is everywhere. I only put the pic depending on who is in it. WhisperToMe 04:30, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
If I cut it down to 200px, I wouldn't have that. Also, the "family" in the two pics is different. The 1st shows the "nuclear" family. The 2nd doesn't have the daughters but has Jeb and George Bush's father, which are his nuclear family, but not Laura's nor his daughter's. WhisperToMe 04:40, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Laura Welch Bush (born
I think the picture of the bush family baseball or softball thing should be taken down. That small area is over crowded with 3 pictures. This one is under the section of her being the 1st Lady of the United States and has nothing to do with the article. I think it should be removed or put in a different spot. -- User:Shy1520 12:12, 04 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed this image for the following reasons:
Sincerely, Kingturtle 17:53, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Seriously, I would think there are plenty of schools named John F. Kennedy. Seriously, in Texas, many elementary schools I've seen were until recently named after Texas revolutionary war heros. So the linking seems wrong. However, I'm a wikipedia newbie, so I'm unaware of the trends in these things. I'd suggest as a prefix the state and city name. But really, do we want entries for every former elementary school in existance?
Just Some Thoughts, Root4(one) 5:03:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Little Mrs Bush is such a darn good sport I feel. Shouldn't there be some mention of her courageous, fixed, slightly saccharine smile? And the lovely way they hold hands all the time, as if to say, "It's ever such a big world out there." -- Wetman 01:10, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
We seem to be coming towards a compromise on this section, but there are a few matters which still seem to be in dispute. Is there a good copy of the original police report available online? There's a very blurry version here: [4]. The disputed matters include: The type of car Michael Douglas was driving. Most reports seem to say that it was a Corvair Sedan, e.g. [5]. Others say it was a doorless jeep, e.g. [www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38bf3b5e5aac.htm]. As the USA today article is quoting from the police report, I would regard it as more reliable than the Free Republic article. The USA Today article also explicitly says that Michael being thrown from his car was not verified. The nature of the intersection. It is clear that Laura Welch ran a stop sign. I've seen nothing to indicate that Michael Douglas did; but the Snopes account, amongst others, seems pretty clear that he had the right of way. [6]. The relationship between the two. I think this is hardly relevant. While there are sites which suggest that Welch might have deliberately killed Douglas, these seem too farfetched to include in this article.- gadfium 06:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've made my view clear, so I'll leave this for others to sort out.- gadfium 22:45, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think it's clear that a lot of people would like to suppress this information. That the future first lady killed (not murdered) a man is important: she knows what it is like to take a life. 203.155.1.244 05:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I have protected this page to stop the endless reverts. I have protected googuse's version which seems to be a median between the more detailed version which I preferred (but stopped fighting for some days ago) and the sparser version preferred by some others. (Signed retrospectively: gadfium)
Good call - I have a request in for arbitration. Hope it gets worked out. googuse 21:23, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
It's been about a week. Shall I unprotect and see what happens?- gadfium 23:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm unprotecting. My intention is not to make any changes to the article, except to rollback changes by users who are created just to edit this article as was happening before, and to make minor grammatical/spelling changes - in other words, I'm going to stay out of any edit wars. I will enforce the 3RR rule without any further warning.
Laura Bush has been a heavy smoker for decades, and as First Lady, special accomodations have been made for her habit (including, as I once witnessed, Secret Service officers spraying an aerosolized deodorant mist around her, apparently to prevent people from suffering offense from the smell of cigarettes on her hair or clothes). Laura Bush has always been very careful to avoid being photographed with a cigarette. Although she claimed early in her husband's first term to have quit "long ago," she has been coy and sometimes contradictory about this when questioned later by interviewers. (Also, she has also publically spoken out against teen smoking—she says the best advice for quitting smoking is to never start in the first place.) Does anyone else concur with me on this point, that her smoking habit is an appropriate subject to mention in her Wikipedia entry? Sandover 20:21, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the sentence is out of place, but if it's going to be in the article it shouldn't be ambiguous about what she was smoking.
Any objections to the Michael Dutton Douglas article merging with this one? Coqsportif 01:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Compared to the section on Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick the Michael Douglas Dutton paragraph in this article is extremely brief and extremely carefully worded. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a 'fair and balanced' American paper.
"In May 2000, a two-page police report about a fatal car crash caused by Bush when she was 17, was made public. The report revealed that on November 6, 1963 Bush (then Welch) was driving her Chevrolet sedan with one passenger (Judy Dyke, also 17). It was a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. when she entered an intersection, failing to observe the stop sign Bush collided into a Chevrolet Corvair driven by Michael Dutton Douglas, also 17. Bush and Dykes sustained minor injuries; Douglas was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. Laura did not face any charges for rendering his death."
-- 80.217.225.208 03:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I dont know if you are all aware, but Chappaquiddick was far different then Mrs. Bush's accident. And the biggest contorversey surrounding Chappaquiddick, was Senator Kennedy's failure to report the accident, the fact that he saved himself but made no other aparent attempt to save the passanger, and the belief (though never proven) that he was intoxicated.
Mac Domhnaill 23:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
yes/no? -- saxet 07:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I sent out a few emails to track down Laura Bush's legal name. The White House did not respond. This is my exchange with The National First Ladies' Library:
My email:
Subject: Laura Bush's legal name
I am a contributor to an online encyclopedia and we are unable to resolve what Laura Bush's legal name is.
The likely options are:
Laura Lane Bush
Laura Welch Bush
Laura Lane Welch Bush
You have her listed under the last option. Do you know what name she legally adpoted upon her marriage?
I hope you can help. Thank You.
NoSeptember
The Reply:
NoSeptember,
I consulted our expert and First Lady biographer, Carl Anthony. This is his response:
Well, she was born with the first name Laura and the middle name Lane, and her last name was Welch. She married Bush. She signs her name Laura Bush, but her full name is Laura Lane Welch Bush, You don't have to declare what "official" name you are taking when you marry. I mean Hillary was born with the middle name Diane. Her maiden name was Rodham. She married Clinton. At first she just went by the professional name Hillary Rodham. Then she used the name Hillary Clinton. Then, in her first weeks as First Lady she began calling herself Hillary Rodham Clinton which she still uses, but she is listed with her full name Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton. Jackie Kennedy never signed her name, "Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis," she went by Jackie Onassis and then by Jackie Kennedy Onassis.
All of these women assumed, took on the last name of their husband; some signed their names with their maiden names, some didn't, and some went back and forth. So the names were "legally adopted" in that sense, but at different times they used their middle and/or maiden names.
It seems there isn’t any “official, legal” name but rather the name most commonly used by the person at the time. Really our SS numbers rather than our names legally identify us. Hope this helps.
Martha A. Regula, Library Director
National First Ladies' Library, Education and Research Center
205 Market Ave. S.
Canton, Ohio 44702
330-452-0876
regulam@firstladieslibrary.org
So, I guess the issue remains unresolved as far as I can tell. NoSeptember 23:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I've redone the sectioning to better correspond to different phases of her life. College and work go together, then Marriage and family, then First Lady of Texas, then First Lady of the United States. Previously, college and marriage were put together, which ignored her years working, and First Lady of the US was a subsection, which didn't make sense since it's going to be the longest and most looked-at section. Wasted Time R 15:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Jason Gastrich added these categories to the article (since reverted twice):
Is there any evidence that she is any of these things? Cites would be needed. I've looked, but haven't found anything other than that she annoyed some religious types by being part of the "War on Christmas" [7] [8], that she thinks Roe v Wade should stand [9], and that she isn't sure that the constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage is a good idea [10].
While none of these are directly relevant to the categories above, they do make the last two at least seem unlikely. Wasted Time R 14:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I want to pass this around before I do anything on this, but in my opinion it is insulting to refer to someone primarily as "the wife of" someone else. This is a remnant of when wives were property of their husbands. She is a person in her own right. Now, her primary occupation at this time is President Bush's wife, but this is inherent in the title First Lady. As such, referring to her as the wife of President Bush is not only insulting, but redundant. At the very least, the first lady bit should come before the wife-of-the-president bit. If others don't want to knock out the reference to George altogether (I admit knowing WHICH president she is first lady to is important), I would suggest the following text or similar: "Laura Lane Welch Bush (born 4 November, 1946), is the current First Lady of the United States, and is known for being married to President George W. Bush." I will likely forget about this, so I hope that if there is general agreement on this that someone makes the change. -- RealGrouchy 19:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Two words: Denis Thatcher. His intro says he's famous because of Maggie. CometHawk ( talk) 05:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
"Pickles" does not appear once in the article. Given its widespread use, you'd think it would merit a mention - unless people think it would be inappropriate for some reason. Fishhead64 21:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is OT as it's more of a question then suggestions for this article, I hope you all don't mind. I don't live in the US but I found it a bit odd she was not charged. In NZ, in this day and age, I would say it would be extremely unlikely for someone not to be charged if they killed someone in an accident which was predominantly their fault. I don't really know what it was like in the 70s and to be fair, the sentences here are very lenient but the abscense of a charge just seems bizzarre to me. Would you say it's unusual in that day and age or not that uncommon? Does the fact that she was white, rich and female likely have anything to do with it (not saying there was necessarily any direct bribe)? As said, I'm not suggesting anything for the article, just wondering. And yes, I am aware of the reference desk. Nil Einne 17:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the controversies section slightly. It's all sourced. Is the neutrality still disputed? Might wanna take that flag down. As no one on this page is even talking about it. -- Laikalynx 18:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering - does this have specific value here? Its obvious that Laura Bush resides at the White House and attends dinners there... I'm sure other First Ladies have had dinner place settings too... Bwithh 00:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:LEAD:
Tyrenius 04:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1963 Laura was involved in a car accident when she ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing a friend and classmate, Michael Dutton Douglas, who was driving the other car. According to the two-page accident report released by the city of Midland, neither driver was drinking, and no charges were filed. [1]
Okay, sure, this is rather remarkable she was not charged, but that this is the first sentence after the sentence about her birth is a little strange. Do we need this sentence? If we really do it belongs somewhere else. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Should this page be locked with the vandals going around and "oozing" her so to speak (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Laura_Bush&oldid=126090352 to see what I mean)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.112.251.48 ( talk)
I read her quote ... "I don't really believe those polls. I travel around the country. I see people, I see their responses to my husband. I see their response to me," she said.[21] ...
I thought that was really interesting. I myself do not care very much for her husband's policies, but I find her to be a wonderful human being indeed. She seems to really care for the planet as a whole, why just look at her recent trips to Africa, and her recent visibility due to the injustice ocurring in Myanmar. Would it be OK for me to gather & post some information, perhaps in an "Activism" section on her wiki about her trips and human/environmental contributions? I can use some news sources as citations (ex: AP, CNN, etc?) 24.251.84.221 08:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Laura Bush/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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May I suggest a restriction on editing, due to repeated vandalism? dool325 04:12, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Mentioning the auto accident, would that have been done had Laura Bush been the wife of a Democrat president? If I go look at the Wikipedia entry for Lady Bird Johnson, will I find the fact that Lady Bird failed to show up for the dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial? I bet not. Point being: There's way, way too much political bias in Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.44.153.46 ( talk) 19:50, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
The note about the degree is ambiguous—second to hold any Master of Science degree, or second to hold Master of Library Science? Also, I can't find any mention of Hillary's degree through my googling. (maybe I'll actually have to read a book, heh) &mdash Mulad, May 29, 2003
Did Mrs. Bush do much active campaigning? Does she speak publicly much as First Lady? -- Robert Merkel 12:50 18 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I think Laura would be proud to mention this new book by daughter Jenna Bush - Ana's Story: A Journey of Hope
An internet search for "Michael Douglas" and "Laura Bush" retrieves zero hits. Kingturtle 00:40, 7 Mar 2004 (UTC)
"Fatally wounded"? Surely this is a euphemism for "killed"? -- Attila the Pooh 18:48, 24 Mar 2004 (UTC)
No, there is not - it's just one of those rumors that goes around based on nothing. They knew each other because they went to the same high school. They were not dating. "Acquaintence" or "High school friend" would be accurate -- boyfriend is not. --
"Her husband often endearingly refers to her with the nickname 'lump in my bed'."
Regarding the "lump in my bed" quote, I was unable to confirm our claim that he "often" calls her that. Indeed, a search on the phrase "lump in my bed" mostly turns up Wikipedia and wikipedia licensees!
This transcript strongly suggests that Laura Bush (or a speechwriter) made up a bogus poem as a joke. She does say (also apparently joking? but I can't be sure) "Well, he really did call me that, of course, but..."
In any event, there seems to be no justification for us to assert that this is something that George W. Bush says "often". Katahon 21:17, 25 Mar 2004 (UTC)
The family pic is all over the goddamn place. This page is already crowded enough. Hopefully, Bush political family is linked somewhere and that's where the photo is relevant.
Why do we have two photos of the mexican state visit? Why not a photo of another visit or function? I'm thinking of moving one the mexican photos, given how crowded it is in the article. -- Jia ng 04:10, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Why do we have four pictures (or five) at all? One or, at most, two, is sufficient in an article of this size. Rick K 04:23, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
I'm more or less trying to find pictures that display a person, and post them in the article that the person is in. Four or five can fit in this article, provided they are "downsized" enough. I think this article can handle it, perhaps if it is beefed up a bit more.
Oh, and as for the two photos, the reason is that those are the only ones I can find! Though you can replace one with the family pic. I don't think it matters if the pic is everywhere. I only put the pic depending on who is in it. WhisperToMe 04:30, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
If I cut it down to 200px, I wouldn't have that. Also, the "family" in the two pics is different. The 1st shows the "nuclear" family. The 2nd doesn't have the daughters but has Jeb and George Bush's father, which are his nuclear family, but not Laura's nor his daughter's. WhisperToMe 04:40, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
Laura Welch Bush (born
I think the picture of the bush family baseball or softball thing should be taken down. That small area is over crowded with 3 pictures. This one is under the section of her being the 1st Lady of the United States and has nothing to do with the article. I think it should be removed or put in a different spot. -- User:Shy1520 12:12, 04 August 2006 (UTC)
I removed this image for the following reasons:
Sincerely, Kingturtle 17:53, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Seriously, I would think there are plenty of schools named John F. Kennedy. Seriously, in Texas, many elementary schools I've seen were until recently named after Texas revolutionary war heros. So the linking seems wrong. However, I'm a wikipedia newbie, so I'm unaware of the trends in these things. I'd suggest as a prefix the state and city name. But really, do we want entries for every former elementary school in existance?
Just Some Thoughts, Root4(one) 5:03:43, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Little Mrs Bush is such a darn good sport I feel. Shouldn't there be some mention of her courageous, fixed, slightly saccharine smile? And the lovely way they hold hands all the time, as if to say, "It's ever such a big world out there." -- Wetman 01:10, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
We seem to be coming towards a compromise on this section, but there are a few matters which still seem to be in dispute. Is there a good copy of the original police report available online? There's a very blurry version here: [4]. The disputed matters include: The type of car Michael Douglas was driving. Most reports seem to say that it was a Corvair Sedan, e.g. [5]. Others say it was a doorless jeep, e.g. [www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38bf3b5e5aac.htm]. As the USA today article is quoting from the police report, I would regard it as more reliable than the Free Republic article. The USA Today article also explicitly says that Michael being thrown from his car was not verified. The nature of the intersection. It is clear that Laura Welch ran a stop sign. I've seen nothing to indicate that Michael Douglas did; but the Snopes account, amongst others, seems pretty clear that he had the right of way. [6]. The relationship between the two. I think this is hardly relevant. While there are sites which suggest that Welch might have deliberately killed Douglas, these seem too farfetched to include in this article.- gadfium 06:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've made my view clear, so I'll leave this for others to sort out.- gadfium 22:45, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think it's clear that a lot of people would like to suppress this information. That the future first lady killed (not murdered) a man is important: she knows what it is like to take a life. 203.155.1.244 05:42, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
I have protected this page to stop the endless reverts. I have protected googuse's version which seems to be a median between the more detailed version which I preferred (but stopped fighting for some days ago) and the sparser version preferred by some others. (Signed retrospectively: gadfium)
Good call - I have a request in for arbitration. Hope it gets worked out. googuse 21:23, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)
It's been about a week. Shall I unprotect and see what happens?- gadfium 23:40, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'm unprotecting. My intention is not to make any changes to the article, except to rollback changes by users who are created just to edit this article as was happening before, and to make minor grammatical/spelling changes - in other words, I'm going to stay out of any edit wars. I will enforce the 3RR rule without any further warning.
Laura Bush has been a heavy smoker for decades, and as First Lady, special accomodations have been made for her habit (including, as I once witnessed, Secret Service officers spraying an aerosolized deodorant mist around her, apparently to prevent people from suffering offense from the smell of cigarettes on her hair or clothes). Laura Bush has always been very careful to avoid being photographed with a cigarette. Although she claimed early in her husband's first term to have quit "long ago," she has been coy and sometimes contradictory about this when questioned later by interviewers. (Also, she has also publically spoken out against teen smoking—she says the best advice for quitting smoking is to never start in the first place.) Does anyone else concur with me on this point, that her smoking habit is an appropriate subject to mention in her Wikipedia entry? Sandover 20:21, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I think the sentence is out of place, but if it's going to be in the article it shouldn't be ambiguous about what she was smoking.
Any objections to the Michael Dutton Douglas article merging with this one? Coqsportif 01:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)
Compared to the section on Ted Kennedy and Chappaquiddick the Michael Douglas Dutton paragraph in this article is extremely brief and extremely carefully worded. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a 'fair and balanced' American paper.
"In May 2000, a two-page police report about a fatal car crash caused by Bush when she was 17, was made public. The report revealed that on November 6, 1963 Bush (then Welch) was driving her Chevrolet sedan with one passenger (Judy Dyke, also 17). It was a clear night shortly after 8 p.m. when she entered an intersection, failing to observe the stop sign Bush collided into a Chevrolet Corvair driven by Michael Dutton Douglas, also 17. Bush and Dykes sustained minor injuries; Douglas was pronounced dead on arrival at Midland Memorial Hospital. Laura did not face any charges for rendering his death."
-- 80.217.225.208 03:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
I dont know if you are all aware, but Chappaquiddick was far different then Mrs. Bush's accident. And the biggest contorversey surrounding Chappaquiddick, was Senator Kennedy's failure to report the accident, the fact that he saved himself but made no other aparent attempt to save the passanger, and the belief (though never proven) that he was intoxicated.
Mac Domhnaill 23:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
yes/no? -- saxet 07:13, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
I sent out a few emails to track down Laura Bush's legal name. The White House did not respond. This is my exchange with The National First Ladies' Library:
My email:
Subject: Laura Bush's legal name
I am a contributor to an online encyclopedia and we are unable to resolve what Laura Bush's legal name is.
The likely options are:
Laura Lane Bush
Laura Welch Bush
Laura Lane Welch Bush
You have her listed under the last option. Do you know what name she legally adpoted upon her marriage?
I hope you can help. Thank You.
NoSeptember
The Reply:
NoSeptember,
I consulted our expert and First Lady biographer, Carl Anthony. This is his response:
Well, she was born with the first name Laura and the middle name Lane, and her last name was Welch. She married Bush. She signs her name Laura Bush, but her full name is Laura Lane Welch Bush, You don't have to declare what "official" name you are taking when you marry. I mean Hillary was born with the middle name Diane. Her maiden name was Rodham. She married Clinton. At first she just went by the professional name Hillary Rodham. Then she used the name Hillary Clinton. Then, in her first weeks as First Lady she began calling herself Hillary Rodham Clinton which she still uses, but she is listed with her full name Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton. Jackie Kennedy never signed her name, "Jacqueline Lee Bouvier Kennedy Onassis," she went by Jackie Onassis and then by Jackie Kennedy Onassis.
All of these women assumed, took on the last name of their husband; some signed their names with their maiden names, some didn't, and some went back and forth. So the names were "legally adopted" in that sense, but at different times they used their middle and/or maiden names.
It seems there isn’t any “official, legal” name but rather the name most commonly used by the person at the time. Really our SS numbers rather than our names legally identify us. Hope this helps.
Martha A. Regula, Library Director
National First Ladies' Library, Education and Research Center
205 Market Ave. S.
Canton, Ohio 44702
330-452-0876
regulam@firstladieslibrary.org
So, I guess the issue remains unresolved as far as I can tell. NoSeptember 23:40, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
I've redone the sectioning to better correspond to different phases of her life. College and work go together, then Marriage and family, then First Lady of Texas, then First Lady of the United States. Previously, college and marriage were put together, which ignored her years working, and First Lady of the US was a subsection, which didn't make sense since it's going to be the longest and most looked-at section. Wasted Time R 15:29, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
Jason Gastrich added these categories to the article (since reverted twice):
Is there any evidence that she is any of these things? Cites would be needed. I've looked, but haven't found anything other than that she annoyed some religious types by being part of the "War on Christmas" [7] [8], that she thinks Roe v Wade should stand [9], and that she isn't sure that the constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage is a good idea [10].
While none of these are directly relevant to the categories above, they do make the last two at least seem unlikely. Wasted Time R 14:35, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I want to pass this around before I do anything on this, but in my opinion it is insulting to refer to someone primarily as "the wife of" someone else. This is a remnant of when wives were property of their husbands. She is a person in her own right. Now, her primary occupation at this time is President Bush's wife, but this is inherent in the title First Lady. As such, referring to her as the wife of President Bush is not only insulting, but redundant. At the very least, the first lady bit should come before the wife-of-the-president bit. If others don't want to knock out the reference to George altogether (I admit knowing WHICH president she is first lady to is important), I would suggest the following text or similar: "Laura Lane Welch Bush (born 4 November, 1946), is the current First Lady of the United States, and is known for being married to President George W. Bush." I will likely forget about this, so I hope that if there is general agreement on this that someone makes the change. -- RealGrouchy 19:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
Two words: Denis Thatcher. His intro says he's famous because of Maggie. CometHawk ( talk) 05:55, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
"Pickles" does not appear once in the article. Given its widespread use, you'd think it would merit a mention - unless people think it would be inappropriate for some reason. Fishhead64 21:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
This is OT as it's more of a question then suggestions for this article, I hope you all don't mind. I don't live in the US but I found it a bit odd she was not charged. In NZ, in this day and age, I would say it would be extremely unlikely for someone not to be charged if they killed someone in an accident which was predominantly their fault. I don't really know what it was like in the 70s and to be fair, the sentences here are very lenient but the abscense of a charge just seems bizzarre to me. Would you say it's unusual in that day and age or not that uncommon? Does the fact that she was white, rich and female likely have anything to do with it (not saying there was necessarily any direct bribe)? As said, I'm not suggesting anything for the article, just wondering. And yes, I am aware of the reference desk. Nil Einne 17:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned up the controversies section slightly. It's all sourced. Is the neutrality still disputed? Might wanna take that flag down. As no one on this page is even talking about it. -- Laikalynx 18:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Just wondering - does this have specific value here? Its obvious that Laura Bush resides at the White House and attends dinners there... I'm sure other First Ladies have had dinner place settings too... Bwithh 00:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Per WP:LEAD:
Tyrenius 04:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
In 1963 Laura was involved in a car accident when she ran a stop sign and crashed into another car, killing a friend and classmate, Michael Dutton Douglas, who was driving the other car. According to the two-page accident report released by the city of Midland, neither driver was drinking, and no charges were filed. [1]
Okay, sure, this is rather remarkable she was not charged, but that this is the first sentence after the sentence about her birth is a little strange. Do we need this sentence? If we really do it belongs somewhere else. -- Fbv 65 e del / ☑t / ☛c || 22:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Should this page be locked with the vandals going around and "oozing" her so to speak (see http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:Laura_Bush&oldid=126090352 to see what I mean)—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.112.251.48 ( talk)
I read her quote ... "I don't really believe those polls. I travel around the country. I see people, I see their responses to my husband. I see their response to me," she said.[21] ...
I thought that was really interesting. I myself do not care very much for her husband's policies, but I find her to be a wonderful human being indeed. She seems to really care for the planet as a whole, why just look at her recent trips to Africa, and her recent visibility due to the injustice ocurring in Myanmar. Would it be OK for me to gather & post some information, perhaps in an "Activism" section on her wiki about her trips and human/environmental contributions? I can use some news sources as citations (ex: AP, CNN, etc?) 24.251.84.221 08:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
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Pictures, subheadings, and good info. However, expansion is needed, and an infobox would be helpful. Green caterpillar 21:35, 6 September 2006 (UTC) |
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