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I don't really see why only the Autonomous okrugs in Russia are mentioned, but not the Republics. twitter.com/YOMALSIDOROFF ( talk) 22:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I propose that the new page Ancestral domain be merged into this one. I'm proposing this instead of requesting deletion of the new article under WP:CSD#A10 because it has useful content to supplement what's here. See WP:Merge. —Largo Plazo ( talk) 11:20, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I oppose merging Ancestral Domain into "Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples". Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples is not a legal term. I explicitly created this page as a stub about Asian law. By all means copy some of the content across to the "Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples" page if you want to have more content there. But a separate article for ancestral domain is warranted given its increasing role in international and Asian law. I see the request to merge this page into 'lands identified by indigenous peoples' as a demonstration of systemic bias, given that for example details of U.S. state laws eg. California Fair Employment and Housing Act are given their own article, rather than merging such things into for example "Housing inhabited by disadvantaged people in a U.S. state". Ancestral domain is an established legal idea in legal systems for 350 million people in two countries, whereas Californian laws, for example, are for 38 million people. Alixos ( talk) 04:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)Alixos 11:29, 11 October 2013 (ICT)
Following reflection, I changed the stub to international law and added history. Alixos ( talk) 06:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I've been following this discussion, as User:Alixos contacted me by email for pointers on getting started contributing to Wikipedia in her area of expertise. I think it's unfortunate whenever two people with knowledge and time to share (clearly the case here) end up in a standoff. While I do not have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion on the merge proposal, there are two things that I think need to be called out:
Thanks Pete. I've added another country context, based on Largo's feedback. I've also added links about how this idea of ancestral domain is distinct from land rights, given it's about peoples' relationship with land as much as property ownership. Perhaps I could have been more clear about this at the start. I'd welcome this topic being added into the indigenous peoples sidebox, but I note the indigenous peoples article itself is not yet incorporated into the sidebox either, so there's a lot more work to do linking together content. I don't have the markup knowledge to do that yet. I maintain it's important not to merge this article into one about rights to habitation, because many indigenous peoples, such as explained in the quote I added, want other peoples to respect and value relationships with environment that go beyond titles, property and material resources. This is slowly happening, hence it's increasingly relevant in international law. Alixos ( talk) 04:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
I think Pete was referring the policy about proposing a merger, specifically copying within Wikipedia. Alixos ( talk) 11:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Oppose merge (Based solely on what I've read in the two articles; I don't have much outside knowledge of the topics.) Ancestral domain appears to be a broader topic than lands inhabited by indigenous peoples as ancestral domain includes more than land. (I would think that people would not have to actually inhabit their ancestral land for it to be part of their ancestral domain, yes?) Also, Ancestral domain is a prose article, while Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples appears to be a list, and it might be difficult to reconcile the two styles in the same article.
Ancestral domain does need to be formatted into sections. I mention this partly for general improvement, and partly because there's a lot of coverage of indigenous land rights, which is a separate article. Coverage of indigenous land rights is appropriate, as they are related topics, but having a separate section on indigenous land rights would help clarify that ancestral domain is a broader topic.
As I've said, most of what I know comes from reading the articles. This could easily be superseded by information from reliable sources.--
Wikimedes (
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Largo, since as the original nominator you now oppose the merge into this article, and nobody else has supported that idea, it seems wise to remove the merge notice. I do see that you are now advocating that it should be merged into a different article -- I'm of course not opposed if you feel the need to start up that discussion. But it does seem like this specific discussion has probably run its course. Any objection to removing the current "merge" tag, without prejudice toward a possible new merge discussion, on a different talk page? - Pete ( talk) 04:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the template, I assume since there's no response in more than a week that this is no longer an active concern. Of course, if I'm in error, and there's still a need for a merge discussion, please start a new one. - Pete ( talk) 01:50, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I really don't understand why is basque country there, as it's not any kind of indian reserve, and it's inhabited for as many natives as almost any other region in Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.175.101.195 ( talk) 16:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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I don't really see why only the Autonomous okrugs in Russia are mentioned, but not the Republics. twitter.com/YOMALSIDOROFF ( talk) 22:49, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
I propose that the new page Ancestral domain be merged into this one. I'm proposing this instead of requesting deletion of the new article under WP:CSD#A10 because it has useful content to supplement what's here. See WP:Merge. —Largo Plazo ( talk) 11:20, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I oppose merging Ancestral Domain into "Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples". Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples is not a legal term. I explicitly created this page as a stub about Asian law. By all means copy some of the content across to the "Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples" page if you want to have more content there. But a separate article for ancestral domain is warranted given its increasing role in international and Asian law. I see the request to merge this page into 'lands identified by indigenous peoples' as a demonstration of systemic bias, given that for example details of U.S. state laws eg. California Fair Employment and Housing Act are given their own article, rather than merging such things into for example "Housing inhabited by disadvantaged people in a U.S. state". Ancestral domain is an established legal idea in legal systems for 350 million people in two countries, whereas Californian laws, for example, are for 38 million people. Alixos ( talk) 04:29, 11 October 2013 (UTC)Alixos 11:29, 11 October 2013 (ICT)
Following reflection, I changed the stub to international law and added history. Alixos ( talk) 06:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
I've been following this discussion, as User:Alixos contacted me by email for pointers on getting started contributing to Wikipedia in her area of expertise. I think it's unfortunate whenever two people with knowledge and time to share (clearly the case here) end up in a standoff. While I do not have enough knowledge to have a strong opinion on the merge proposal, there are two things that I think need to be called out:
Thanks Pete. I've added another country context, based on Largo's feedback. I've also added links about how this idea of ancestral domain is distinct from land rights, given it's about peoples' relationship with land as much as property ownership. Perhaps I could have been more clear about this at the start. I'd welcome this topic being added into the indigenous peoples sidebox, but I note the indigenous peoples article itself is not yet incorporated into the sidebox either, so there's a lot more work to do linking together content. I don't have the markup knowledge to do that yet. I maintain it's important not to merge this article into one about rights to habitation, because many indigenous peoples, such as explained in the quote I added, want other peoples to respect and value relationships with environment that go beyond titles, property and material resources. This is slowly happening, hence it's increasingly relevant in international law. Alixos ( talk) 04:39, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
I think Pete was referring the policy about proposing a merger, specifically copying within Wikipedia. Alixos ( talk) 11:04, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Oppose merge (Based solely on what I've read in the two articles; I don't have much outside knowledge of the topics.) Ancestral domain appears to be a broader topic than lands inhabited by indigenous peoples as ancestral domain includes more than land. (I would think that people would not have to actually inhabit their ancestral land for it to be part of their ancestral domain, yes?) Also, Ancestral domain is a prose article, while Lands inhabited by indigenous peoples appears to be a list, and it might be difficult to reconcile the two styles in the same article.
Ancestral domain does need to be formatted into sections. I mention this partly for general improvement, and partly because there's a lot of coverage of indigenous land rights, which is a separate article. Coverage of indigenous land rights is appropriate, as they are related topics, but having a separate section on indigenous land rights would help clarify that ancestral domain is a broader topic.
As I've said, most of what I know comes from reading the articles. This could easily be superseded by information from reliable sources.--
Wikimedes (
talk) 18:06, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
Largo, since as the original nominator you now oppose the merge into this article, and nobody else has supported that idea, it seems wise to remove the merge notice. I do see that you are now advocating that it should be merged into a different article -- I'm of course not opposed if you feel the need to start up that discussion. But it does seem like this specific discussion has probably run its course. Any objection to removing the current "merge" tag, without prejudice toward a possible new merge discussion, on a different talk page? - Pete ( talk) 04:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
I'm going to remove the template, I assume since there's no response in more than a week that this is no longer an active concern. Of course, if I'm in error, and there's still a need for a merge discussion, please start a new one. - Pete ( talk) 01:50, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
I really don't understand why is basque country there, as it's not any kind of indian reserve, and it's inhabited for as many natives as almost any other region in Spain. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.175.101.195 ( talk) 16:00, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
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