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On this part, I was initially worried (and still am worried) that it was tangential, if not irrelevant, given that we're talking about LLDM church, not the Catholic church. I'm okay if we make a one or two sentence mention about how the Catholic church in this section relates to LLDM church, but I'm worried that anything beyond that can create a slippery slope (how much information on the Catholic church is too much information? How much do we omit?) Which is precisely what happened after I tried to add more important information in the interest of adding more complete context.
I've reverted this last part given that this is factual information that is included in the source, and does not constitute editorializing. (you can use google translate to verify that the information comes directly from the source)
I hope this reversion represents a reasonable way for us to compromise (i.e. my preference is to minimize information from the Catholic church to avoid the page sounding tangential and dismissive of the topic at hand, but others may prefer that mention of the Catholic church not be omited).
Thanks so much! I'm open to discussing this further, and if necessary, getting additional opinions from the community. -RA — Preceding unsigned comment added by RidjalAbdullah ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
My edit removing the "megalomaniac" quote was reverted. The word is found in the source cited, but the source cited does not directly attribute it as a quote to Fortuny. It may very well be the author summarizing Fortuny's description of Joaquin in one word. I'm worried about using quotes to introduce non-neutral, loaded language. I think the quote is unnecessary. It's sufficient to quote Fortuny saying she believes the accusations. BadHombres ( talk) 19:01, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
User SebastianDrawsStuff has made several changes to the article without providing edit summaries, including wholesale deletion of sourced material [2]. It's hard to parse through all these edits without understanding the reasoning for them. A lot of the edits seem to be to change La Luz del Mundo to LLDM, which to my knowledge is used informally inside the organization. I looked at several English and Spanish language sources (particularly news media) and did not find many using the acronym. I did find other acronyms beyond LLDM though, such as LDM, LLMC [3], and TLOTW [4]. With that in mind, this article should not use acronyms. BadHombres ( talk) 00:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
BadHomres, I hate to sound like I’m reprimanding you or anything but you basically reverted ALL of my contributions to the “controversy” section. Everything I wrote on this page so far is in the sources, no original research, including the mention of “mega cities” (in fact “mega city” is in the title of one of the sources). And as far as BLP go, what part of its policy are you citing? As far as I know, BLP states that “contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion“. If you Google Naason Joaquin Garcia's name you’ll find the internet replete with news about accusations of child rape, and two dozen other crimes.
I’d really like to avoid an edit war, and I really want to collaborate with you. If there’s something we can definitely agree on is that we want to improve the page. I’m happy to chat anytime on this page to iron out any kinks.
Respectfully, RidjalAbdullah ( talk) 05:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC))
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On this part, I was initially worried (and still am worried) that it was tangential, if not irrelevant, given that we're talking about LLDM church, not the Catholic church. I'm okay if we make a one or two sentence mention about how the Catholic church in this section relates to LLDM church, but I'm worried that anything beyond that can create a slippery slope (how much information on the Catholic church is too much information? How much do we omit?) Which is precisely what happened after I tried to add more important information in the interest of adding more complete context.
I've reverted this last part given that this is factual information that is included in the source, and does not constitute editorializing. (you can use google translate to verify that the information comes directly from the source)
I hope this reversion represents a reasonable way for us to compromise (i.e. my preference is to minimize information from the Catholic church to avoid the page sounding tangential and dismissive of the topic at hand, but others may prefer that mention of the Catholic church not be omited).
Thanks so much! I'm open to discussing this further, and if necessary, getting additional opinions from the community. -RA — Preceding unsigned comment added by RidjalAbdullah ( talk • contribs) 17:40, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
My edit removing the "megalomaniac" quote was reverted. The word is found in the source cited, but the source cited does not directly attribute it as a quote to Fortuny. It may very well be the author summarizing Fortuny's description of Joaquin in one word. I'm worried about using quotes to introduce non-neutral, loaded language. I think the quote is unnecessary. It's sufficient to quote Fortuny saying she believes the accusations. BadHombres ( talk) 19:01, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
User SebastianDrawsStuff has made several changes to the article without providing edit summaries, including wholesale deletion of sourced material [2]. It's hard to parse through all these edits without understanding the reasoning for them. A lot of the edits seem to be to change La Luz del Mundo to LLDM, which to my knowledge is used informally inside the organization. I looked at several English and Spanish language sources (particularly news media) and did not find many using the acronym. I did find other acronyms beyond LLDM though, such as LDM, LLMC [3], and TLOTW [4]. With that in mind, this article should not use acronyms. BadHombres ( talk) 00:36, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
BadHomres, I hate to sound like I’m reprimanding you or anything but you basically reverted ALL of my contributions to the “controversy” section. Everything I wrote on this page so far is in the sources, no original research, including the mention of “mega cities” (in fact “mega city” is in the title of one of the sources). And as far as BLP go, what part of its policy are you citing? As far as I know, BLP states that “contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion“. If you Google Naason Joaquin Garcia's name you’ll find the internet replete with news about accusations of child rape, and two dozen other crimes.
I’d really like to avoid an edit war, and I really want to collaborate with you. If there’s something we can definitely agree on is that we want to improve the page. I’m happy to chat anytime on this page to iron out any kinks.
Respectfully, RidjalAbdullah ( talk) 05:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC))