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Ok, this part didn't make sense
Several problems: 1) The article just finished describing grammars and books written about the language, so how are there no academic monographs on it. 2) If the written language is based on the Suloma and Kellog dialects, how are there no samples of the text? And the previous sentence implies there is only a suggested written form, not one in actual use, so that needs some clarification too. Overall, it needs to be more clear and more context for what the terms mean. - Taxman Talk 20:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
See Vajda 2008 reference, with support from a number of other respected linguists who are knowledgeable in the subject area. Thnidu ( talk) 22:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, Miskwito is right and I accept the correction: "conclusive" is POV. Thnidu ( talk) 16:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. While I would not rule it out in principle, the idea of definite links between any pre-columbian old world and new world language requires evidence of clear acceptance in the linguistic community. Bit odd that I've never heard of this before now. PatGallacher ( talk) 02:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
And what's the source?
It doesn't seem to be a phonemic one: Vajda gives the phonemic consonant inventory as the fairly spare /t k q b d s ɬ h m n ŋ j/. And it doesn't seem to be a full phonetic one: even if [ɬ] is analysed as an allophone of /l/ it only includes it beneath the table, whereas it gives table spots to most of the outcomes of voice assimilation and stop lenition ([p g ɢ, β ɾ ɣ ʁ] etc.), and I don't remember Vajda mentioning [r] being present in Ket at all. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 06:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I put in Vajda's. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 04:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I think (purely as a non-linguistics qualified person) that it would be very interesting to find subjects from both the Ket and Na Dene peoples and ask them to volunteer to give DNA samples for comparison testing. It seems to me that would provide material proof of a link betwen these peoples which could be measured. If such a comparison turned out to be valid and a DNA link established between the two peoples, it would add immeasurably to the knowledge we have of pre-historic migrations of peoples across the Bering Straits. Daniel Sparkman ( talk) 15:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)Daniel Sparkman
Where is the section on tone drawn from? There is no consensus that Ket is tonal; if anything, it seems that there's some agreement that the "tone" may actually be prosodic. There is at least one scholarly published work that says this is the case (Feev 1998). I have already made some fact-correcting edits, and I'd love to edit this section a bit more extensively, but there is still that problem: I'm reluctant to get rid of the section since it contains so much detail on this supposed tone. Vaaarr ( talk) 00:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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Ok, this part didn't make sense
Several problems: 1) The article just finished describing grammars and books written about the language, so how are there no academic monographs on it. 2) If the written language is based on the Suloma and Kellog dialects, how are there no samples of the text? And the previous sentence implies there is only a suggested written form, not one in actual use, so that needs some clarification too. Overall, it needs to be more clear and more context for what the terms mean. - Taxman Talk 20:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
See Vajda 2008 reference, with support from a number of other respected linguists who are knowledgeable in the subject area. Thnidu ( talk) 22:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
OK, Miskwito is right and I accept the correction: "conclusive" is POV. Thnidu ( talk) 16:23, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. While I would not rule it out in principle, the idea of definite links between any pre-columbian old world and new world language requires evidence of clear acceptance in the linguistic community. Bit odd that I've never heard of this before now. PatGallacher ( talk) 02:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
And what's the source?
It doesn't seem to be a phonemic one: Vajda gives the phonemic consonant inventory as the fairly spare /t k q b d s ɬ h m n ŋ j/. And it doesn't seem to be a full phonetic one: even if [ɬ] is analysed as an allophone of /l/ it only includes it beneath the table, whereas it gives table spots to most of the outcomes of voice assimilation and stop lenition ([p g ɢ, β ɾ ɣ ʁ] etc.), and I don't remember Vajda mentioning [r] being present in Ket at all. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 06:07, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, I put in Vajda's. 4pq1injbok ( talk) 04:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I think (purely as a non-linguistics qualified person) that it would be very interesting to find subjects from both the Ket and Na Dene peoples and ask them to volunteer to give DNA samples for comparison testing. It seems to me that would provide material proof of a link betwen these peoples which could be measured. If such a comparison turned out to be valid and a DNA link established between the two peoples, it would add immeasurably to the knowledge we have of pre-historic migrations of peoples across the Bering Straits. Daniel Sparkman ( talk) 15:36, 11 September 2009 (UTC)Daniel Sparkman
Where is the section on tone drawn from? There is no consensus that Ket is tonal; if anything, it seems that there's some agreement that the "tone" may actually be prosodic. There is at least one scholarly published work that says this is the case (Feev 1998). I have already made some fact-correcting edits, and I'd love to edit this section a bit more extensively, but there is still that problem: I'm reluctant to get rid of the section since it contains so much detail on this supposed tone. Vaaarr ( talk) 00:43, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
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