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OK, I'm a newby and don't want to get into the fray here! But it is clear from Chancellor Fingerhut's remarks that Kent State AND ITS regional campuses are all part of the University System of Ohio. They are an integral part of it. Would someone please restore it?
As for the Kent template, I'll confess that I live in Canton and my son that took some courses last summer at the Kent Campus. That disclosed, I find the template is totally Kent-Centric. I think that if the author did his homework or visited he wouldn't make comments that suggest there is nothing noteworthy on the other campuses.
Even if he believes it, the template, other than the link to regional campuses IS all about Kent campus social life, dormatories, etc.
Why not refer to it as a Kent State University Kent Campus template?
131.123.21.163 ( talk) 20:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Sally O 131.123.21.163 ( talk) 20:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
And therein lies at least one of the problems. Kent's regional campuses are organized completely differently than the Ohio State regional campuses. It is untrue and inaccurate to say they are "virtually identical" relationships. OSU's regionals are more two-year feeder programs into the OSU main campus. They are residential, and a mechanism for students to matriculate to OSU. Student's who can't get in go to the OSU regional campuses to earn admission to OSU. Kent's regionals aren't designed, or at least don't function that way. For example, student life and athletics exist at the other regional campuses, you just haven't bothered to look or learn. And regional campus students don't relate to or care about Kent Campus athletics. This is NOT about notable programs, it is about Kent programs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
So StepShep is also Jon? That means that StepShep and Jon both have a COI!
But more to the point - Why can't they leave the USO template on AND have a Kent Template that is labeled as Kent Campus. Seems like the quick and easy way to end this silly battle! 131.123.21.111 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)sylvia sosa 131.123.21.111 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The fact of the matter is that the purpose of such templates is to connect "similar" articles; that is to say articles where the subjects are related. The template has a link to Kent State University Stark Campus, so Kent State University Stark Campus should have the template on its page. The template is about all notable things Kent State. Kent State University Stark Campus is one of the notable Kent things. I'm really not sure how to make this more clear.
Please do not keep putting it on, unless you can make it ONLY a link to Kent. The many bars about housing, athletics, etc. is completely irrelevant to Kent Stark and only serves to confuse the two. Information about life on the Kent Campus may as well be about the University of Kentucky or Ohio State.
Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The KSU template is for the entire university, not just the Kent campus. You should check the templates at other universities and see how they are used. One example is Ohio State University, Newark Campus. Notice how the main Ohio State University template is used. The template is to connect articles that are related together. That is the purpose of the template. Kent Stark is a part of Kent State even if it doesn't have direct connections to activities on the main campus, and many Kent Stark students eventually go to the main campus. There is no confusion since it is clearly stated in the article that Kent Stark is a regional campus of Kent State University. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the others. This is not a link about the entire eight campus university -- it is totally "Kent-Centric" and inappropriate. A link to the Kent Campus is appropriate, the other sub-links are not!
ATHLETICS section: athletics and faciliteis that are shown are ONLY Kent Campus athletics. Many of the regional campuses have intercollegiate athletics, but they are not even mentioned here!
FACILITIES section: The airport and the wellness center are the Kent Campus. The other campuses wellness centers are not shown, nor are any of the facilities.
HISTORY section: ditto. This is the history of the KENT Campus and we are completely ignored.
RESEARCH -- I guess the assumption is that the other campuses have no research?
STUDENT LIFE -- This is ludicrous and insulting-- the regional campuses have their own student governments, their own performing arts, their own student clubs. This is about ONE of the eight Kent campuses!
PLEASE quit putting this back on. It does not belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.123.121.94 ( talk) 13:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The Chancellor would disagree! He certainly seems to think that we are part of the University System of Ohio (and also refers to us as Kent State Stark or Kent State University Stark, never using the word campus, except "on the campus of ..." See his letter of June 11 announcing his visit to Kent Stark!
yes studetns CAN transfer, but Ohio Board of Regents data shows that Kent Campus is the 7th choice of students that transfer from here. If there is a relevant connection for the social life, etc. then put U of Akron or Walsh Univerisy ;-)
Lose the template and just put in a link to the Kent page. The template will be found universally offensive to the students, faculty, alumni, and region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
MANY people refer to Kent State Stark by that name, even at the Kent campus, but that doesn't mean that the official name or its role within the university has changed as the University's style guide points out the official name and acceptable alternatives. That is really not an issue. The chancellor would also agree that Stark is a part of Kent State University. His visit recognizes the importance of regional campuses (he is a big proponent of them), but not to say that Kent State Stark is a completely independent school. Until Kent State Stark has its own president it is still under the direction of Lester Lefton through Dr. Boze. Note that Dr. Boze is the dean of Kent State Stark and not the president. Most faculty, staff, and alumni of Kent State Stark understand the relationship between the main campus and the regional campuses. It's much more of an administrative connection than a community one (as the transfer data points out), though I have had professors from the Stark campus in classes at the main campus (interestingly enough, he said he was from "the Stark campus"). They are still connected, which is the purpose of the template. It's not to say everything on the template is relevant to each article it's on, though. I also find it interesting that ALL campuses use the same e-mail system (@kent.edu) and not an "@stark.kent.edu" or "@salem.kent.edu" address. It is also worth noting that there is no page for the Kent campus as www.kent.edu is for the entire university, not the campus itself. We're not trying to insult the campus or anyone connected with it; we're only trying to point out the existing connections and relationships to those who may not be familiar with the KSU system. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Jon -- you obviously mean well, but this just shouts CONFLICT OF INTEREST. You need to remove yourself and let less biases editors work on this. Your blinders make you so Kent-Centric that you do not realize what you say. Much of your information is inaccurate.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST, Jon FACTS, Jon Practice what you PREACH, Jon
TerriThomas ( talk) 10:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Teri TerriThomas ( talk) 10:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
ANSWER PHOTO: The photo was taken by Kent photographer Bob Christie and uploaded either by him and/ with his written permission to use it for this.
ANSWER SEAL:
Kent State Stark has had it's own seal for some time, just like the Honors College, or the College of Nursing. Both logos are used. Actually all three. The Kent logo is prominent in architecture, and nobody has been inspired enough to actually want to pay for changing them. The old Stark logo IS on the webpage, see for example, the strategic plan http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/upload/Kent%20STARK%20CAMPUS%20PLAN_FINAL.pdf This is being phased out as the one you see on the wiki is phased in. It is on the web pages
ANSWER CAMPUS NAME: The old policy historically said that the first time a regional campus name is used, it should say the whole thing "Kent State University Stark Campus" after which we may call it Kent State Stark, Kent State University Stark, Kent Stark, etc. Pages 11-12 of Kent State University "Guide to University Style spell this out http://www.kent.edu/ucm/marketingguide/style/upload/guidetouniversitystyle-2rks.pdf
"Effective January 2008 Guide to University Style
names of campuses —
Always write out in full and capitalize; subsequent references should be capitalized: Kent State University Ashtabula Campus Kent State Ashtabula Ashtabula Campus.
The Regional Campuses are as follows: Kent State Ashtabula, Kent State East Liverpool, Kent State Geauga, Kent State Salem, Kent State Stark, Kent State Trumbull and Kent State Tuscarawas."
For several years a conscious decision has been made to minimize the use of the word "Campus" in the title (but still to describe the physical location and facilities) while following the policy. The preferred name is Kent State University Stark, including on official documents (diploma covers, course schedules. Since the section is titled Kent State University Stark Campus, that is the only time that the word "campus" need be used.
That said, the name and mission of the campus has changed.
ANSWER CONTENT. Kent Stark's web page is being continuously updated. I'm sure that there is a reference somewhere to Kent State Stark Campus, but heck if I can find it other than in architectural photos! If you will let me know, I will have them removed. Hopefully not find KSU-S as you/she call us (except architecturally) as this is NOT an approved use of the abbreviation or the name (and it could be Kent State Salem or even Kansas State for that matter!)
This isn't about tying to own the wiki -- we want and need all the help we can get! But it OIS about getting the message correct and trying to refer questions back to one of the three people that can best answer questions and determine if the listing is accurate. Those people are Tina Biasella, Director of External Affairs, Rachel Figueroa, Marketing and Betsy Boze, Dean.
Since neither of you are on the ground at Kent State Stark, you are trying to second guess administrative decisions and estabilished policies and protocols.
I see tension has come to this page, by what seems to be an ill-informed editor. I've readded the bottom template as it is on all other Kent Stark pages and links specifically to this page; also I removed a red link to a deleted image. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a note for anyone who could help; we need to standardize and expand the citations and combine repeated sources. See WP:CITE#Citation Templates, using the "cite book", "cite web", and/or "cite news" templates. I'll do what I can! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 15:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all the images that have been uploaded for this article. My only worries are that the images need to directly relate to the content and that they are truly public domain images. Also watch out for putting too many images on a particluar page. Be careful with pictures of living people too. See WP:IMAGE for more guidelines. Also, be careful using logos. Even though KSU-Stark is accredited by the AACSB, the use of the AACSB on this article violates copyright and fair-use rules as far as I understand them since this article is about Kent State Stark, not AACSB. Wikipedia articles are not for promoting their particular subject, just information about them. If anyone has anything else to add, please do! It is nice to see this article grow and mature slowly but surely! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Another important thing to realize about images is that just because a photo is on Kent State Stark's website does not mean it is public domain and can be used here. In almost all cases it is not public domain. A user keeps uploading several photos from the KSU-Stark website for use in this article via Wikimedia Commons. This would only be allowed if the uploader can provide the actual license releasing the photos to the public domain or a link to that license. My past experience with the KSU archives is that they don't mind the usage of their photos on Wikipedia articles, but they do not release them to the public domain and so Wikipedia doesn't want them. The only times non-public domain images should be used is in the event a suitable public domain image can't be provided (like a picture of a building that has been torn down or extensively renovated or of a person who has died, etc.). There has to be someone at or near Kent State Stark who can go get pictures of the facilities and/or relevant events and upload those pictures to the public domain. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 21:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Kent State Stark is accredited by AACSB and is encouraged to use the "Accredited" logo. Refer to the AACSB details of using the logo for details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BVBoze ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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Although the general term used for the campus is "Kent State Stark" or "Kent State University Stark" the full name is still "Kent State University Stark Campus" according to the University's most recent style guide in relation to all the regional campus names as seen here on pages 12-13. Examples from the document include "Always write out in full and capitalize; subsequent references should be capitalized: Kent State University Ashtabula Campus"; "The lecture is at the Kent State University Tuscarawas Campus"; "Kent State University Ashtabula Campus," and yes, there is also reference to "Kent State Stark" in the same paragraph, meaning "Kent State Stark" or other examples like it are acceptable shorter versions of the name. Now, first, we need to understand that the KSU style guide doesn't necessarily have to apply here since this is Wikipedia, not Kent State University. This seems to be an instance of a "preferred" short name, much like KSU now prefers to be called "Kent State" in short instead of just "Kent" like it was in the 1980s and 1990s. However, we do have at least one user who insists that the full name is not used at all anymore and is constantly editing this article to remove "campus" from the infobox title and introduction. So, I throw this out to any editors: should we change the article title to simply "Kent State University Stark"? "Kent State Stark" and "Kent State University Stark" seem to be the most common, though "Kent State University Stark Campus" is the full name and is hardly unused. I did a simple Google of "Kent State University Stark" and virtually every instance returned that phrase with "Campus" attached. My vote is obviously to keep it as is and I have not seen any official documentation from Kent State or Kent State Stark that the "Campus" has been dropped from the official names of the regional campuses. Other opinions and reasons would be appreciated. Thanks! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 02:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh Jon, please! You SO need to get over this!
I thought that this was finally resolved with all the links to the web page, official publications, and yes, even the blasted logo on the podium at official events. At least it was resolved to everyone else's satisfaction.
Despite your esteemed estimation of yourself, you really aren't the arbitor of Kent State University naming conventions. Let them call themselves whatever they want here. The Kent State Stark or Kent State University Stark names are totaly consistent with reality, their web presence, their publications, etc., etc.
We all understand that you like the old name for some reason. But times have changed and so has their mission.
TerriThomas ( talk) 08:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Terri
I had added this to Jon's page a few weeks ago. But it looks like it needs to be repeated here, as well, so I am cc'in it. This references a comment he tagged saying that this had already been discussed and an implication that everyone had therefore agreed. Jon has now singularly reached a consensus (with himself only?) This is not a consensus, this is bullying, dictatorial and apparently a conflict of interest with reality and the rest of the editors.
Thank you for your note. Yes, I did see the discussion. I just disagree with your opinion.
The use of the word campus in the institution's name has been phased out nd isn't used by Kent State University (see their University Communication and Marketing page), by Kent State Universtiy Stark (I think you've already heard from them) or by the Univesity System of Ohio.
It is interesting why, against all conventional use, you are fighting for the use an obsolete term. Maybe you should actually visit the campus and see how they portray it on their signage and their officaial publications. See for example:
Their web page: http://www.stark.kent.edu/ - Kent State University Stark or their Fall 2008 magazine "Encompass" http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/Magazine.cfm -- the cover says "Kent State University Stark." Page 2 shows the dean of "Kent State University Stark" and the Kent State University Stark Faculty Council Officers the Kent State University Stark Cabinet Members
Keep going and even the back cover and the return address is Kent State University Stark.
You seem to think that it isn't/wasn't legitimate and took it upon yourself to remove and destroy the link to it.
Notice the Kent Stater's coverage of Rod Courdrry this week -- http://media.www.kentnewsnet.com/media/storage/paper867/news/2008/10/28/News/Former.daily.Show.Reporter.Brings.shock.Value-3509433.shtml
See the seal on the podium in the picture? It says Kent State University Stark.
No, not everything that says "campus" has been ripped off the walls and sent to the recycling bin, but it looks like as they replace things, they are using the new name and the new seal.
So while I respect that you apparently like the old name better for some reason, it doesn't seem to be your decision to make when ALL EVIDENCE IS TO THE CONTRARY. Yes, it is a campus, just like the Kent Campus is a campus and all college campuses are campuses. But that isn't their name.
In looking at this article again, there are a lot of good-faith edits to expand the article, however, many seem to be made with little understanding of Wikipedia policies and the general purpose of the article. This is an encyclopedic article about Kent State Stark; it is not an article by Kent State Stark, nor is it here to promote Kent State Stark or Kent State University. It is here to educate people about the campus and why it's important, not to give a highly detailed account of everything that happens or has happened. Read over WP:NOT to get an idea of what should and shouldn't be included in this article, or any Wikipedia article for that matter. Be careful with adding board member names or anything that resembles a directory as well as long lists (like the Featured Speakers list). Also, check out WP:UNI for examples of high-quality articles on other colleges and universities for ideas and models of what to include here and how to set it up. Some examples include Michigan State University, Duke University, and Ohio Wesleyan University among many others. Take note of how pictures are used within the article and how much detail is included in various sections. In the end, this should sound like an encyclopedic article, not an online guide or magazine article. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 03:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
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OK, I'm a newby and don't want to get into the fray here! But it is clear from Chancellor Fingerhut's remarks that Kent State AND ITS regional campuses are all part of the University System of Ohio. They are an integral part of it. Would someone please restore it?
As for the Kent template, I'll confess that I live in Canton and my son that took some courses last summer at the Kent Campus. That disclosed, I find the template is totally Kent-Centric. I think that if the author did his homework or visited he wouldn't make comments that suggest there is nothing noteworthy on the other campuses.
Even if he believes it, the template, other than the link to regional campuses IS all about Kent campus social life, dormatories, etc.
Why not refer to it as a Kent State University Kent Campus template?
131.123.21.163 ( talk) 20:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Sally O 131.123.21.163 ( talk) 20:39, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
And therein lies at least one of the problems. Kent's regional campuses are organized completely differently than the Ohio State regional campuses. It is untrue and inaccurate to say they are "virtually identical" relationships. OSU's regionals are more two-year feeder programs into the OSU main campus. They are residential, and a mechanism for students to matriculate to OSU. Student's who can't get in go to the OSU regional campuses to earn admission to OSU. Kent's regionals aren't designed, or at least don't function that way. For example, student life and athletics exist at the other regional campuses, you just haven't bothered to look or learn. And regional campus students don't relate to or care about Kent Campus athletics. This is NOT about notable programs, it is about Kent programs —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 01:35, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
So StepShep is also Jon? That means that StepShep and Jon both have a COI!
But more to the point - Why can't they leave the USO template on AND have a Kent Template that is labeled as Kent Campus. Seems like the quick and easy way to end this silly battle! 131.123.21.111 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)sylvia sosa 131.123.21.111 ( talk) 20:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
The fact of the matter is that the purpose of such templates is to connect "similar" articles; that is to say articles where the subjects are related. The template has a link to Kent State University Stark Campus, so Kent State University Stark Campus should have the template on its page. The template is about all notable things Kent State. Kent State University Stark Campus is one of the notable Kent things. I'm really not sure how to make this more clear.
Please do not keep putting it on, unless you can make it ONLY a link to Kent. The many bars about housing, athletics, etc. is completely irrelevant to Kent Stark and only serves to confuse the two. Information about life on the Kent Campus may as well be about the University of Kentucky or Ohio State.
Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 18:03, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The KSU template is for the entire university, not just the Kent campus. You should check the templates at other universities and see how they are used. One example is Ohio State University, Newark Campus. Notice how the main Ohio State University template is used. The template is to connect articles that are related together. That is the purpose of the template. Kent Stark is a part of Kent State even if it doesn't have direct connections to activities on the main campus, and many Kent Stark students eventually go to the main campus. There is no confusion since it is clearly stated in the article that Kent Stark is a regional campus of Kent State University. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
I agree with the others. This is not a link about the entire eight campus university -- it is totally "Kent-Centric" and inappropriate. A link to the Kent Campus is appropriate, the other sub-links are not!
ATHLETICS section: athletics and faciliteis that are shown are ONLY Kent Campus athletics. Many of the regional campuses have intercollegiate athletics, but they are not even mentioned here!
FACILITIES section: The airport and the wellness center are the Kent Campus. The other campuses wellness centers are not shown, nor are any of the facilities.
HISTORY section: ditto. This is the history of the KENT Campus and we are completely ignored.
RESEARCH -- I guess the assumption is that the other campuses have no research?
STUDENT LIFE -- This is ludicrous and insulting-- the regional campuses have their own student governments, their own performing arts, their own student clubs. This is about ONE of the eight Kent campuses!
PLEASE quit putting this back on. It does not belong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.123.121.94 ( talk) 13:54, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
The Chancellor would disagree! He certainly seems to think that we are part of the University System of Ohio (and also refers to us as Kent State Stark or Kent State University Stark, never using the word campus, except "on the campus of ..." See his letter of June 11 announcing his visit to Kent Stark!
yes studetns CAN transfer, but Ohio Board of Regents data shows that Kent Campus is the 7th choice of students that transfer from here. If there is a relevant connection for the social life, etc. then put U of Akron or Walsh Univerisy ;-)
Lose the template and just put in a link to the Kent page. The template will be found universally offensive to the students, faculty, alumni, and region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Purocafe ( talk • contribs) 18:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
MANY people refer to Kent State Stark by that name, even at the Kent campus, but that doesn't mean that the official name or its role within the university has changed as the University's style guide points out the official name and acceptable alternatives. That is really not an issue. The chancellor would also agree that Stark is a part of Kent State University. His visit recognizes the importance of regional campuses (he is a big proponent of them), but not to say that Kent State Stark is a completely independent school. Until Kent State Stark has its own president it is still under the direction of Lester Lefton through Dr. Boze. Note that Dr. Boze is the dean of Kent State Stark and not the president. Most faculty, staff, and alumni of Kent State Stark understand the relationship between the main campus and the regional campuses. It's much more of an administrative connection than a community one (as the transfer data points out), though I have had professors from the Stark campus in classes at the main campus (interestingly enough, he said he was from "the Stark campus"). They are still connected, which is the purpose of the template. It's not to say everything on the template is relevant to each article it's on, though. I also find it interesting that ALL campuses use the same e-mail system (@kent.edu) and not an "@stark.kent.edu" or "@salem.kent.edu" address. It is also worth noting that there is no page for the Kent campus as www.kent.edu is for the entire university, not the campus itself. We're not trying to insult the campus or anyone connected with it; we're only trying to point out the existing connections and relationships to those who may not be familiar with the KSU system. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 19:38, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
Jon -- you obviously mean well, but this just shouts CONFLICT OF INTEREST. You need to remove yourself and let less biases editors work on this. Your blinders make you so Kent-Centric that you do not realize what you say. Much of your information is inaccurate.
CONFLICT OF INTEREST, Jon FACTS, Jon Practice what you PREACH, Jon
TerriThomas ( talk) 10:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Teri TerriThomas ( talk) 10:35, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
ANSWER PHOTO: The photo was taken by Kent photographer Bob Christie and uploaded either by him and/ with his written permission to use it for this.
ANSWER SEAL:
Kent State Stark has had it's own seal for some time, just like the Honors College, or the College of Nursing. Both logos are used. Actually all three. The Kent logo is prominent in architecture, and nobody has been inspired enough to actually want to pay for changing them. The old Stark logo IS on the webpage, see for example, the strategic plan http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/upload/Kent%20STARK%20CAMPUS%20PLAN_FINAL.pdf This is being phased out as the one you see on the wiki is phased in. It is on the web pages
ANSWER CAMPUS NAME: The old policy historically said that the first time a regional campus name is used, it should say the whole thing "Kent State University Stark Campus" after which we may call it Kent State Stark, Kent State University Stark, Kent Stark, etc. Pages 11-12 of Kent State University "Guide to University Style spell this out http://www.kent.edu/ucm/marketingguide/style/upload/guidetouniversitystyle-2rks.pdf
"Effective January 2008 Guide to University Style
names of campuses —
Always write out in full and capitalize; subsequent references should be capitalized: Kent State University Ashtabula Campus Kent State Ashtabula Ashtabula Campus.
The Regional Campuses are as follows: Kent State Ashtabula, Kent State East Liverpool, Kent State Geauga, Kent State Salem, Kent State Stark, Kent State Trumbull and Kent State Tuscarawas."
For several years a conscious decision has been made to minimize the use of the word "Campus" in the title (but still to describe the physical location and facilities) while following the policy. The preferred name is Kent State University Stark, including on official documents (diploma covers, course schedules. Since the section is titled Kent State University Stark Campus, that is the only time that the word "campus" need be used.
That said, the name and mission of the campus has changed.
ANSWER CONTENT. Kent Stark's web page is being continuously updated. I'm sure that there is a reference somewhere to Kent State Stark Campus, but heck if I can find it other than in architectural photos! If you will let me know, I will have them removed. Hopefully not find KSU-S as you/she call us (except architecturally) as this is NOT an approved use of the abbreviation or the name (and it could be Kent State Salem or even Kansas State for that matter!)
This isn't about tying to own the wiki -- we want and need all the help we can get! But it OIS about getting the message correct and trying to refer questions back to one of the three people that can best answer questions and determine if the listing is accurate. Those people are Tina Biasella, Director of External Affairs, Rachel Figueroa, Marketing and Betsy Boze, Dean.
Since neither of you are on the ground at Kent State Stark, you are trying to second guess administrative decisions and estabilished policies and protocols.
I see tension has come to this page, by what seems to be an ill-informed editor. I've readded the bottom template as it is on all other Kent Stark pages and links specifically to this page; also I removed a red link to a deleted image. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 18:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Just a note for anyone who could help; we need to standardize and expand the citations and combine repeated sources. See WP:CITE#Citation Templates, using the "cite book", "cite web", and/or "cite news" templates. I'll do what I can! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 15:31, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all the images that have been uploaded for this article. My only worries are that the images need to directly relate to the content and that they are truly public domain images. Also watch out for putting too many images on a particluar page. Be careful with pictures of living people too. See WP:IMAGE for more guidelines. Also, be careful using logos. Even though KSU-Stark is accredited by the AACSB, the use of the AACSB on this article violates copyright and fair-use rules as far as I understand them since this article is about Kent State Stark, not AACSB. Wikipedia articles are not for promoting their particular subject, just information about them. If anyone has anything else to add, please do! It is nice to see this article grow and mature slowly but surely! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 01:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
Another important thing to realize about images is that just because a photo is on Kent State Stark's website does not mean it is public domain and can be used here. In almost all cases it is not public domain. A user keeps uploading several photos from the KSU-Stark website for use in this article via Wikimedia Commons. This would only be allowed if the uploader can provide the actual license releasing the photos to the public domain or a link to that license. My past experience with the KSU archives is that they don't mind the usage of their photos on Wikipedia articles, but they do not release them to the public domain and so Wikipedia doesn't want them. The only times non-public domain images should be used is in the event a suitable public domain image can't be provided (like a picture of a building that has been torn down or extensively renovated or of a person who has died, etc.). There has to be someone at or near Kent State Stark who can go get pictures of the facilities and/or relevant events and upload those pictures to the public domain. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 21:18, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Kent State Stark is accredited by AACSB and is encouraged to use the "Accredited" logo. Refer to the AACSB details of using the logo for details. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BVBoze ( talk • contribs) 02:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
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Although the general term used for the campus is "Kent State Stark" or "Kent State University Stark" the full name is still "Kent State University Stark Campus" according to the University's most recent style guide in relation to all the regional campus names as seen here on pages 12-13. Examples from the document include "Always write out in full and capitalize; subsequent references should be capitalized: Kent State University Ashtabula Campus"; "The lecture is at the Kent State University Tuscarawas Campus"; "Kent State University Ashtabula Campus," and yes, there is also reference to "Kent State Stark" in the same paragraph, meaning "Kent State Stark" or other examples like it are acceptable shorter versions of the name. Now, first, we need to understand that the KSU style guide doesn't necessarily have to apply here since this is Wikipedia, not Kent State University. This seems to be an instance of a "preferred" short name, much like KSU now prefers to be called "Kent State" in short instead of just "Kent" like it was in the 1980s and 1990s. However, we do have at least one user who insists that the full name is not used at all anymore and is constantly editing this article to remove "campus" from the infobox title and introduction. So, I throw this out to any editors: should we change the article title to simply "Kent State University Stark"? "Kent State Stark" and "Kent State University Stark" seem to be the most common, though "Kent State University Stark Campus" is the full name and is hardly unused. I did a simple Google of "Kent State University Stark" and virtually every instance returned that phrase with "Campus" attached. My vote is obviously to keep it as is and I have not seen any official documentation from Kent State or Kent State Stark that the "Campus" has been dropped from the official names of the regional campuses. Other opinions and reasons would be appreciated. Thanks! -- JonRidinger ( talk) 02:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh Jon, please! You SO need to get over this!
I thought that this was finally resolved with all the links to the web page, official publications, and yes, even the blasted logo on the podium at official events. At least it was resolved to everyone else's satisfaction.
Despite your esteemed estimation of yourself, you really aren't the arbitor of Kent State University naming conventions. Let them call themselves whatever they want here. The Kent State Stark or Kent State University Stark names are totaly consistent with reality, their web presence, their publications, etc., etc.
We all understand that you like the old name for some reason. But times have changed and so has their mission.
TerriThomas ( talk) 08:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)Terri
I had added this to Jon's page a few weeks ago. But it looks like it needs to be repeated here, as well, so I am cc'in it. This references a comment he tagged saying that this had already been discussed and an implication that everyone had therefore agreed. Jon has now singularly reached a consensus (with himself only?) This is not a consensus, this is bullying, dictatorial and apparently a conflict of interest with reality and the rest of the editors.
Thank you for your note. Yes, I did see the discussion. I just disagree with your opinion.
The use of the word campus in the institution's name has been phased out nd isn't used by Kent State University (see their University Communication and Marketing page), by Kent State Universtiy Stark (I think you've already heard from them) or by the Univesity System of Ohio.
It is interesting why, against all conventional use, you are fighting for the use an obsolete term. Maybe you should actually visit the campus and see how they portray it on their signage and their officaial publications. See for example:
Their web page: http://www.stark.kent.edu/ - Kent State University Stark or their Fall 2008 magazine "Encompass" http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/Magazine.cfm -- the cover says "Kent State University Stark." Page 2 shows the dean of "Kent State University Stark" and the Kent State University Stark Faculty Council Officers the Kent State University Stark Cabinet Members
Keep going and even the back cover and the return address is Kent State University Stark.
You seem to think that it isn't/wasn't legitimate and took it upon yourself to remove and destroy the link to it.
Notice the Kent Stater's coverage of Rod Courdrry this week -- http://media.www.kentnewsnet.com/media/storage/paper867/news/2008/10/28/News/Former.daily.Show.Reporter.Brings.shock.Value-3509433.shtml
See the seal on the podium in the picture? It says Kent State University Stark.
No, not everything that says "campus" has been ripped off the walls and sent to the recycling bin, but it looks like as they replace things, they are using the new name and the new seal.
So while I respect that you apparently like the old name better for some reason, it doesn't seem to be your decision to make when ALL EVIDENCE IS TO THE CONTRARY. Yes, it is a campus, just like the Kent Campus is a campus and all college campuses are campuses. But that isn't their name.
In looking at this article again, there are a lot of good-faith edits to expand the article, however, many seem to be made with little understanding of Wikipedia policies and the general purpose of the article. This is an encyclopedic article about Kent State Stark; it is not an article by Kent State Stark, nor is it here to promote Kent State Stark or Kent State University. It is here to educate people about the campus and why it's important, not to give a highly detailed account of everything that happens or has happened. Read over WP:NOT to get an idea of what should and shouldn't be included in this article, or any Wikipedia article for that matter. Be careful with adding board member names or anything that resembles a directory as well as long lists (like the Featured Speakers list). Also, check out WP:UNI for examples of high-quality articles on other colleges and universities for ideas and models of what to include here and how to set it up. Some examples include Michigan State University, Duke University, and Ohio Wesleyan University among many others. Take note of how pictures are used within the article and how much detail is included in various sections. In the end, this should sound like an encyclopedic article, not an online guide or magazine article. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 03:28, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
Please do not remove templates unless the problems they are there to help with have been resolved. For now, there is a refimprove template because several sections do not have any references at all and a cleanup template because there are a number of organizational problems such as the lead, small sections, order of sections, and general content. Some of the existing sources need to be checked to make sure they are still valid, and others need to be placed in the appropriate citation template. There is also promotional language that needs to be addressed to make the article more neutral. -- JonRidinger ( talk) 07:04, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
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