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Kelmendi is pure 100% ALBANIAN, no slavs
Kelmendi is 100% Albanian. And they hate slavic rats with passion
I am going to revert the deletion of the "Serb-theory" as it is sourced, you may add sourced material about the origin of the Kelmendi, this is not nationalism. -- 92.32.41.206 ( talk) 00:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The Kelmendi Tribe is Albanian. Always have been Albanian. This is Serbian propaganda at it's finest and the so called "Sources" are Serbian as well. I need to contact the administration and have a serious talk about this. They are trying to rewrite history based on sources from pro serbian propaganda sites — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
217.211.58.40 (
talk) 16:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
This article, along with the notion that it has serbian origins is nothing short of absurd. I am from that clan, and can trace my ancestry along the male line to the 1600's, where the location of origin was Albania proper even prior to the 1600's. The serbian truncations were forced upon the people who lived in the former yugoslavia, and are remnants of oppression. Additionally, several of the family names there don't belong, or have faulty information as to the origins and current kinship information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antishkja ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I had to revert these big changes made by 69.119.255.190.
69.119.255.190 if you are viewing this, then please make changes but in a much smaller sense so they can be reviewed easily. And one more thing, please describe each change with a summary. Cheers. — Kedadi talk 17:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Page copy of Augustino Theiner's Vetera Monumenta (a non-Yugoslav source which was deleted, it mentioned the origin), and the "popoli quasi tutti latini, e di lingua Albanese e Dalmata" (almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and Serbian)" was changed into the faulty "almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and
Dalmatian" (see the
same page: "dalmatinisch, i.e. Slawisch und Orthodox [like Bjelopavlici]"). Questionable edit comment of
User:Majuru: "Clean up with modern sources that replace old/unverifiable ones" and "
Bjelopavlici, originally Palabardhi, Orthodox Albanians later slavicised". The clan IS Albanian, nonetheless, their origin (geneaology and early history) should not be deleted, if sourced many, many times around. Majuru, you may complement the article with sources, but "replacing" (deleting) [all "other"] sources [which according to you are unverifiable], is not OK, but if you insist, please explain. Hope we can resolve this. --
Zoupan (
talk) 19:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
I would like to add that the surname Balidemaj is named after Bali Dema, an army commander in the Battle of Nokshiq. Malsia E Madhe ( talk) 22:04, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Jovan Tomic and Stanoje Stanojevic with their historical essays, helped spread the pro-Yugoslav propaganda so how do you expect this to stay in the article? Shall I continue with the rest of the Serbian "historians"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.130.77 ( talk) 20:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
"popoli quasi tutti latini, e di lingua Albanese e Dalmata" It's translated: "almost all are Latin, of language Albanian and Dalmatian". But the translation is "almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and Slavic"...What? 69.136.155.232 ( talk) 23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree with 69.136.155.232,Im from Kelmendi,we dont speak serbian! We speak Albanian! We are Albanians not Serbians! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlbertBikaj ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Copying
Mondiad's comment from my talk page regarding the issue:--
Zoupan 19:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
The reference clearly connects "Dalmatian" with Slavic (Serbian) and not Romance. Your evaluation of early modern religious makeup of Serbs makes no sense in this matter. Kelmend lies directly at the Montenegrin-Albanian border (and Serbian/Montenegrin-Albanian ethnic border), and judging by historical facts, this region without a doubt historically had a Slavic-speaking population besides the Albanian-speaking majority.--
Zoupan 19:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
Bizzi says "latini". Ndihmesmjeku ( talk) 15:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Rm that sentence, which is about Prizren, not Kelmend. Ndihmesmjeku ( talk) 15:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
here begins Serbia, 'che e mediterranea, e arriva verso Danubio.' From here on, Bizzi says that 'la Lingua Dalmata' is spoken, the Serb language which was familiar to him ...(In questi paesi delta Servia si parla la lingua Dalmata)
The article is about region and tribe. The name refers only to region. Does anybody object renaming to Kelmend only?-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 21:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
The name "Kelmend" in albanians means "Ke mend" (Sharp minded),which theory was supported by Milan Šufflay. AlbertBikaj ( talk) 21:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
*Comment: Move to Kelmendi as per Gjergj Fishta; Robert Elsie; Janice Mathie-Heck (2005).
The Highland Lute. I.B.Tauris. pp. 432–.
ISBN
978-1-84511-118-2.: "Kelmendi: Northern Albanian tribe and traditional tribal region".--
Zoupan 17:54, 11 January 2016 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
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Kelmendi is pure 100% ALBANIAN, no slavs
Kelmendi is 100% Albanian. And they hate slavic rats with passion
I am going to revert the deletion of the "Serb-theory" as it is sourced, you may add sourced material about the origin of the Kelmendi, this is not nationalism. -- 92.32.41.206 ( talk) 00:58, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
The Kelmendi Tribe is Albanian. Always have been Albanian. This is Serbian propaganda at it's finest and the so called "Sources" are Serbian as well. I need to contact the administration and have a serious talk about this. They are trying to rewrite history based on sources from pro serbian propaganda sites — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
217.211.58.40 (
talk) 16:28, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
This article, along with the notion that it has serbian origins is nothing short of absurd. I am from that clan, and can trace my ancestry along the male line to the 1600's, where the location of origin was Albania proper even prior to the 1600's. The serbian truncations were forced upon the people who lived in the former yugoslavia, and are remnants of oppression. Additionally, several of the family names there don't belong, or have faulty information as to the origins and current kinship information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Antishkja ( talk • contribs) 04:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I had to revert these big changes made by 69.119.255.190.
69.119.255.190 if you are viewing this, then please make changes but in a much smaller sense so they can be reviewed easily. And one more thing, please describe each change with a summary. Cheers. — Kedadi talk 17:59, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Page copy of Augustino Theiner's Vetera Monumenta (a non-Yugoslav source which was deleted, it mentioned the origin), and the "popoli quasi tutti latini, e di lingua Albanese e Dalmata" (almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and Serbian)" was changed into the faulty "almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and
Dalmatian" (see the
same page: "dalmatinisch, i.e. Slawisch und Orthodox [like Bjelopavlici]"). Questionable edit comment of
User:Majuru: "Clean up with modern sources that replace old/unverifiable ones" and "
Bjelopavlici, originally Palabardhi, Orthodox Albanians later slavicised". The clan IS Albanian, nonetheless, their origin (geneaology and early history) should not be deleted, if sourced many, many times around. Majuru, you may complement the article with sources, but "replacing" (deleting) [all "other"] sources [which according to you are unverifiable], is not OK, but if you insist, please explain. Hope we can resolve this. --
Zoupan (
talk) 19:29, 28 November 2011 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
I would like to add that the surname Balidemaj is named after Bali Dema, an army commander in the Battle of Nokshiq. Malsia E Madhe ( talk) 22:04, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Jovan Tomic and Stanoje Stanojevic with their historical essays, helped spread the pro-Yugoslav propaganda so how do you expect this to stay in the article? Shall I continue with the rest of the Serbian "historians"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.130.77 ( talk) 20:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
"popoli quasi tutti latini, e di lingua Albanese e Dalmata" It's translated: "almost all are Latin, of language Albanian and Dalmatian". But the translation is "almost all are Catholics, speaking Albanian and Slavic"...What? 69.136.155.232 ( talk) 23:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree with 69.136.155.232,Im from Kelmendi,we dont speak serbian! We speak Albanian! We are Albanians not Serbians! — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlbertBikaj ( talk • contribs) 13:01, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Copying
Mondiad's comment from my talk page regarding the issue:--
Zoupan 19:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
The reference clearly connects "Dalmatian" with Slavic (Serbian) and not Romance. Your evaluation of early modern religious makeup of Serbs makes no sense in this matter. Kelmend lies directly at the Montenegrin-Albanian border (and Serbian/Montenegrin-Albanian ethnic border), and judging by historical facts, this region without a doubt historically had a Slavic-speaking population besides the Albanian-speaking majority.--
Zoupan 19:39, 21 June 2015 (UTC) Blocked sock:
Ajdebre.
Bizzi says "latini". Ndihmesmjeku ( talk) 15:19, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Rm that sentence, which is about Prizren, not Kelmend. Ndihmesmjeku ( talk) 15:51, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
here begins Serbia, 'che e mediterranea, e arriva verso Danubio.' From here on, Bizzi says that 'la Lingua Dalmata' is spoken, the Serb language which was familiar to him ...(In questi paesi delta Servia si parla la lingua Dalmata)
The article is about region and tribe. The name refers only to region. Does anybody object renaming to Kelmend only?-- Antidiskriminator ( talk) 21:48, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
The name "Kelmend" in albanians means "Ke mend" (Sharp minded),which theory was supported by Milan Šufflay. AlbertBikaj ( talk) 21:48, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
*Comment: Move to Kelmendi as per Gjergj Fishta; Robert Elsie; Janice Mathie-Heck (2005).
The Highland Lute. I.B.Tauris. pp. 432–.
ISBN
978-1-84511-118-2.: "Kelmendi: Northern Albanian tribe and traditional tribal region".--
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Ajdebre.
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