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While it is true that the Lithuanian Karaims esp. claim to not be Jews, that's a 1940's phenom, and not universal for all Karaims. TShilo12
Brian is correct. I misspoke. Firkovitch first invented the idea that the Karaims were not Jewish in order to avoid the oppressive taxes and conscription-cum-forced-conversion practices of the czars. What I was referring to was the Lithuanian Karaims' use of the Czars' dispensation distinguishing between the Jews and the Karaims as "proof" to the Nazis that they really weren't Jews (which the Nazis viewed with a great deal of skepticism and only marginally accepted). It was the Lithuanian Karaims' willingness to sell out their fellow Jews that caused the ultimate rift between the communities in the 1940s, when the Lithuanian Karaim leaders, basically selling their souls to the Devil (if you believe in such a thing), complicitly told the Germans who were and were not Karaims, thus leading to the deaths of thousands of Rabbinic Jews who sought refuge among the Karaim. What's really pathetic, in my mind, is that the Lithuanian Karaims seem to think that this action on the part of their leadership is a laudable decision, rather than one deserving condemnation [as the UN and YV have done]. <pontification>Happily, it was only the Lithuanian Karaims who tried to advance themselves by selling their brethren to their deaths, and I have no doubt that's why they're as irrelevant today as they are. The Crimean Karaims chose to hide their Rabbinic cousins in their homes, and today are flourishing as they hadn't since the 1200s. The fact remains, however, that regardless of how the Lithuanian Karaims view themselves, they're not only "not the sole heirs" to the tradition they claim as their own, but they're its reprobate bastards, and, again "happily", very much in the minority.</pontification> "Tell us how you really feel, Tom e r talk 09:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
another thing- i don't know if this can be changed, but the suffix -im in hebrew, as you prob know, is a pluralizer. to say karaim leanguage is very akward, and even more so karaims. maybe that's what they were called, i don't know, it was wrong then. 72.93.211.242
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Dear User:Yoshiah_ap after extensive search I could find no reference to back up your insertion except sites which quoted directly your insertion in this article. I found a quote directly to the contrary, but it says Karaits not Karaims. However Libor Valko seems to equate Russian Karaits with Karaims, so I inserted the references even though this seems wrong. But do you have any evidence to the contrary which might show that Karaims and Russian Karaits are indeed two completely distinct people? If so please feel free to revert my edit. YuHuw ( talk) 10:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I have just finished an initial clean-up of the article and notice a cibtradiction between whether the crimean dialect is endangered or extinct. If anyone has more info on this please comment or add refs. Thanks! YuHuw ( talk) 13:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
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as stated by the title, there is no o /l/ in consonant table but L's in the various scripts and as part of the linguistic examples in morphological transcription --- simply forgotten to add it in?
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In the sub-section of language ecology, Distribution of Karaim speakers. I added a citation to Crimea, Lithuania, and Poland to show that there are Karaim speakers in that country according to the 8th reference being Csato. IntrepidError ( talk) 20:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
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In the subsection "Language Contact", I added a citation to the term code-copying that was from a textbook. Ak24000 ( talk) 20:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Found a reading about the Trakai Island Castle and how Karaim is being used. Added the source to Further reading and added some sort of citation to the end of the section found in the intro. IntrepidError ( talk) 20:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
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While it is true that the Lithuanian Karaims esp. claim to not be Jews, that's a 1940's phenom, and not universal for all Karaims. TShilo12
Brian is correct. I misspoke. Firkovitch first invented the idea that the Karaims were not Jewish in order to avoid the oppressive taxes and conscription-cum-forced-conversion practices of the czars. What I was referring to was the Lithuanian Karaims' use of the Czars' dispensation distinguishing between the Jews and the Karaims as "proof" to the Nazis that they really weren't Jews (which the Nazis viewed with a great deal of skepticism and only marginally accepted). It was the Lithuanian Karaims' willingness to sell out their fellow Jews that caused the ultimate rift between the communities in the 1940s, when the Lithuanian Karaim leaders, basically selling their souls to the Devil (if you believe in such a thing), complicitly told the Germans who were and were not Karaims, thus leading to the deaths of thousands of Rabbinic Jews who sought refuge among the Karaim. What's really pathetic, in my mind, is that the Lithuanian Karaims seem to think that this action on the part of their leadership is a laudable decision, rather than one deserving condemnation [as the UN and YV have done]. <pontification>Happily, it was only the Lithuanian Karaims who tried to advance themselves by selling their brethren to their deaths, and I have no doubt that's why they're as irrelevant today as they are. The Crimean Karaims chose to hide their Rabbinic cousins in their homes, and today are flourishing as they hadn't since the 1200s. The fact remains, however, that regardless of how the Lithuanian Karaims view themselves, they're not only "not the sole heirs" to the tradition they claim as their own, but they're its reprobate bastards, and, again "happily", very much in the minority.</pontification> "Tell us how you really feel, Tom e r talk 09:26, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
another thing- i don't know if this can be changed, but the suffix -im in hebrew, as you prob know, is a pluralizer. to say karaim leanguage is very akward, and even more so karaims. maybe that's what they were called, i don't know, it was wrong then. 72.93.211.242
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Dear User:Yoshiah_ap after extensive search I could find no reference to back up your insertion except sites which quoted directly your insertion in this article. I found a quote directly to the contrary, but it says Karaits not Karaims. However Libor Valko seems to equate Russian Karaits with Karaims, so I inserted the references even though this seems wrong. But do you have any evidence to the contrary which might show that Karaims and Russian Karaits are indeed two completely distinct people? If so please feel free to revert my edit. YuHuw ( talk) 10:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
I have just finished an initial clean-up of the article and notice a cibtradiction between whether the crimean dialect is endangered or extinct. If anyone has more info on this please comment or add refs. Thanks! YuHuw ( talk) 13:11, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
" no thanks" is not an appropriate response to a request for discussion. Consensus means something we can all agree on besides something which is RS or good grammar which are things which must stay regardless. So I am asking you and your Tag-team to re-consider the group tactics you are currently employing (harassment and bullying). Instead, let's all engage in constructive discussion to improve these frankly horribly messy articles which your unfathomable protectiveness has gotten me extremely curious about. YuHuw ( talk) 07:58, 5 February 2016 (UTC)
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as stated by the title, there is no o /l/ in consonant table but L's in the various scripts and as part of the linguistic examples in morphological transcription --- simply forgotten to add it in?
188.192.37.76 ( talk) 09:05, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 22 August 2022 and 1 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): MingzeGaojmart460, Frenchsilkpie, IntrepidError, Sduran2, Ak24000 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: MystifiedMysti, Cbries2, Nataliawrobel3, Muh tee us?, Omaralattar23, Maradeleonm, Zbernier12, Sote2, Adia09, Coolisschool123.
— Assignment last updated by IntrepidError ( talk) 19:03, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
In the sub-section of language ecology, Distribution of Karaim speakers. I added a citation to Crimea, Lithuania, and Poland to show that there are Karaim speakers in that country according to the 8th reference being Csato. IntrepidError ( talk) 20:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
16:15, 1 November 2022 (UTC) UICLing ( talk)Students: Respond to your peer feedback by posting what changes you will make and what should be made to the article based on your peers' suggestions. Click "reply" below to respond.@ MingzeGaojmart460, @ Frenchsilkpie, @ Sduran2, @ Ak24000 UICLing ( talk) 16:19, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
In the subsection "Language Contact", I added a citation to the term code-copying that was from a textbook. Ak24000 ( talk) 20:51, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
Found a reading about the Trakai Island Castle and how Karaim is being used. Added the source to Further reading and added some sort of citation to the end of the section found in the intro. IntrepidError ( talk) 20:54, 15 November 2022 (UTC)