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A person from the ip address 70.53.92.79 added this sentence to the Kali (Goddess) page:
"Another manifestation is that of a bloated, woman, with hair like that of a horse, with stench and powers to kill through touch and utterance of certain words of power."
This writer, if you didn't know about real Hinduism don't write anything about this. It seems you totally confused and lunatic mind. Nothing is related with Goddess Kali as you mentioned here. First of all, She is Divine Goddess. Kali is one of the many forms of Shakti. Maha Kaali is the fiercest of all goddesses of Hinduism. The word Kali has its roots in the Sanskrit word "Kaal", which means time. And nothing escapes from time. Goddess Kali is sometimes referred as the goddess of death. But actually Kali brings the death of the ego. Even in the scriptures, she has killed demons but not anyone else. Kali is also not associated with Yama (the Hindu God of Death). Kali is considered a form of mother too. Maa Kali is one of the few Goddesses who are celibate and practice renunciation.
Goddess Kali has four arms and hands depicting her immense strength. In two of her hands, she holds a sword and a fresh severed head, representing a great battle in which she defeated the demon Raktabija. The other two hands are there to bless her true devotees, suggesting that they will be saved as she will guide them here and in the hereafter. Kali wears a garland made of 52 skulls and a skirt made of dismembered arms because the ego comes out of identification with the body. It suggests that physical body is false and spirit is the only reality. Her black or sometimes dark blue skin represents the womb of the unmanifest from which all of creation is born and into which all of creation will ultimately return. Therefore, the concepts of color, light, dark, good or bad do not apply to her as she is the pure, un-manifested energy, the Adishakti. Goddess Kali is seen standing with her one feet on Lord Shiva who is pure formless awareness Sat-Chit-Ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while Kali represents "form" eternally sustained by the underpinning of pure awareness.
Don't think all Hindus are fool. This is VKumar ( talk) 08:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Excuse me but Kali Goddess The Destroyer Of Evil doesn't have anything to do with this Kali Demon. Maha Kālīka is the destroyer of evil, she's not a demon but mother of humanity. This kali demon is the Satan. Kali is the nemesis of Lord Vishnu. Please don't say anything rude or accuse without proper information. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
This kali demon also has 10 avatars like Vishnu. Haiygreva (Not lord Hayagreeva the Avatar of lord Vishnu), Rahu and ketu, Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu, Vishatha (Gandharva Who waged war Between nations), Ravana and finally Duryodhana. There are other forms but they're not clear but one of his Avatar is a winged serpent (Dragon) which appeared in The beginning of Kali Yuga. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I originally got the Sanskrit name for Kali-demon off of the Kaliyuga page. It turns out that the Sanskrit name on the Kali-Goddess page has the same spelling. This is wrong. From my understanding, these names have different sounding a's. So this means, someone messed up on the Kaliyuga page. It should be the Kali of the Kali-Demon, not the goddess. Here, check this out:
Hopefully this has cleared things up a bit. So now all I need is the "correct" Sanskrit term for the Kali-Demon.( !Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 04:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC))
This article on Kalki has been perverted by someone who wants to use it as a commentary on Hindu politics. There is no reasoning provided, only some citations to a book. And the contributor makes claims of "anti-Muslim" and "Hindutva propaganda". This, in an article dealing with a figure from Hindu mythology! Wikipedia has apparently become a public lavatory where anyone with extreme ideological views can come to relieve themselves, as long as they can provide citations to back up their pet prejudices.
Well, I really appreciate the hard work which has been put into this article. But unfortunately I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to list it as a GA.
The lead just mentions Kali in different epics like Vishnu Purana, Kalki Purana and Mahabharata. It doesn't summarize the entire article. As a rule of thumb, I would like to have a detail from each and every section. But there is no mention of Kali's life, death, significance in the lead.
This section describes Kali but it doesn't have an Image here. The section needs an Image especially so that people can visualize.
This section looks good from above. But when you read the section, it looks like a story. Example:
The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly when he spread it on the bottoms of his feet. But when he flew to the Himalayas and walked around on the mountain snow, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During his time on the mountain, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But he rejected her advances because his guru had told him to never lust after another man’s wife. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.
According to Markandeya Purana, The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly. But when he flew to the Himalayas, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During this time, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But eventually, he rejected her. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.
This list is not exhaustive, I have just tried to give an idea of the sorts of issues that need to be addressed before a successful GA nomination.
Kali dies one-third of the way through the Kalki Purana->>what do you mean by dies. How is it encyclopedic.
The stench of his blood billowed out and filled the atmosphere with a foul odor.--->peacock terms.
The author comments, "Unlike most battles between gods and demons, however, this apparent victory is immediately undercut, for Kali escapes to reappear in 'another age'—in our age, or the next Kali Age."-->>Who is this expert author
Since he had the power to manifest himself in human form on earth, he was able to forsake his dying corporal form to escape in spirit.--->>Why do you require tems such as dying corporal here. Can't you make it simple.
Good luck, and I hope to see this article back at GAN very soon.... Kensplanet Talk E-mail Contributions 14:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you to remove this sentence. Maybe some Hindus may like this sentence. But Muslims will definitely not like this senetence. How can you compare a community with a demon. Everything for which References are provided need not be posted on Wikipedia. It should be carefully analyzed first. The article should appease both the Hindus and the Muslims and not the Hindus alone. Kensplanet Talk E-mail Contributions 17:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
"The authors of the book Science in Culture reason the child looked like the Brahmin because Varuthini believed Kali was indeed Pravara. They give one example from the Jewish “ Zoharic Midrash” that tells the story of how the son of Jacob was born to one woman, but actually belonged to the woman he believed he was making love to. They comment, the “ Sanskrit phrase, ‘from his semen and from her thinking,’ closely parallels the Hebrew phrase, ‘his semen followed his thought’—though with the essential difference that, here, his semen follows her thought.” [1]" as a WP:FRINGE theory and WP:UNDUE to the reason behind the child looking like Pravara, not indirectly connected to kali.-- Redtigerxyz ( talk) 16:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
References
The entire material is totally unconnected to the context of this article. I think it is very necessary to remove this portion in order to make for a consistent article. Otherwise, when we reach this section, it looks like we are reading an article on some different subject which has no relation to the context of this article. That is why I am removing it. Civilizededucation ( talk) 17:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Discussion of the perception of Kali in the modern period is obviously relevant to this aricle. I have tried to fix the article toc. The article should clearly distinguish (a) pre-Puranic literature (Mahabharata), (b) Puranic accounts and (c) modern material. -- dab (𒁳) 17:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
"According to the Vishnu Purana, he is a negative manifestation of Vishnu, who along with his extended evil family, perpetually operates as a cause of the destruction of this world."
I can understand why non-Hindus are confused here. Even the translator of Vishnu Purana is utterly confused about the identity of names in Vishnu Purana and its interpretation.
Now to clarification:
Adharma is another name of Nirriti, one of the devatA or gods. What Vishnu Purana is talking about is offsprings of this Devata, namely Nirriti. There is a concept called abhimAni or controller of principles and entities existing in Universe. For example, this Nirriti is controller of the principle called adharma, kAma (cupid) is a devata who controls attraction or desire for women, and similarly different devatAh or gods control different principles or actions in Universe. This is why even the devataH or god's name is called as kAma or adharma (Nirriti). Similarly the sons of Adharma (Nirriti) are given such names because they control these principles. On eof the son's name is Kali. Now this Kali (son of Nirriti in Vishnu Purana) has no relationship to Kali of Mahabharatha who took incarnation as Duryodhana or the same Kali who came out of churning of ocean in Bhagavatha Purana, just as Lakshmi (the daughter of Prajapati) has no connection to Lakshmi the wife of Lord Vishnu. The article is about Kali of Mahabharatha who took incarnation as Duryodhana. He is utterly considered as evil in Hindu texts as Mahabharatha, Bhagavatha and Kalki Purana. He is in no way a manifestation of Vishnu. What Vishnu Purana describes is the power of Vishnu within the devataH (gods like Nirriti and his sons) as immanent God within them. Hope this clarifies the subject and convinces you all. I am going to make corrections assuming you agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.16.171.18 ( talk) 15:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I thought I had read the first time I visited this page that Kali is an aspect or part of Vishnu. Which interested me for how it could explain themes I'd seen in fiction seemingly drawing on Hindusim. But now that part isn't here?-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 23:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Well it's the opposite actually. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Kali was born not created. So he's not Vishnu but "he's like Vishnu" because he has 10 Avatars like him. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
https://works.bepress.com/kedar_joshi/154/
The entirety of the edits made by Hinduresci ought to be reverted, as they are clearly deeply integrated with the Kedar Joshi nonsense. He is likewise the sole editor of the Kedar Joshi page, which I have placed as under review for deletion, for the 3rd time (Both previous deletions were approved). It seems obvious to me that Hinduresci is a sockpuppet, but I have no actual evidence of this. Still, the edits are largely without merit and overwhelming in amount, making it nonsensical to sift through all several hundred of them to find those that might have valid content. LordQwert ( talk) 17:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Page protected-- please discuss changes/revisions and achieve consensus. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 04:37, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
I want tu be kali 103.136.95.163 ( talk) 15:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
The infobox states that the children of the asura are Dumvishnu, Niraswati, Vishbrahma, and Alakshmi. I can't find any reliable source from Hindu texts that support this. Someone please look into this and add reliable sources to support this content if you can find them or remove them if they are incorrect. Chronikhiles (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
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A person from the ip address 70.53.92.79 added this sentence to the Kali (Goddess) page:
"Another manifestation is that of a bloated, woman, with hair like that of a horse, with stench and powers to kill through touch and utterance of certain words of power."
This writer, if you didn't know about real Hinduism don't write anything about this. It seems you totally confused and lunatic mind. Nothing is related with Goddess Kali as you mentioned here. First of all, She is Divine Goddess. Kali is one of the many forms of Shakti. Maha Kaali is the fiercest of all goddesses of Hinduism. The word Kali has its roots in the Sanskrit word "Kaal", which means time. And nothing escapes from time. Goddess Kali is sometimes referred as the goddess of death. But actually Kali brings the death of the ego. Even in the scriptures, she has killed demons but not anyone else. Kali is also not associated with Yama (the Hindu God of Death). Kali is considered a form of mother too. Maa Kali is one of the few Goddesses who are celibate and practice renunciation.
Goddess Kali has four arms and hands depicting her immense strength. In two of her hands, she holds a sword and a fresh severed head, representing a great battle in which she defeated the demon Raktabija. The other two hands are there to bless her true devotees, suggesting that they will be saved as she will guide them here and in the hereafter. Kali wears a garland made of 52 skulls and a skirt made of dismembered arms because the ego comes out of identification with the body. It suggests that physical body is false and spirit is the only reality. Her black or sometimes dark blue skin represents the womb of the unmanifest from which all of creation is born and into which all of creation will ultimately return. Therefore, the concepts of color, light, dark, good or bad do not apply to her as she is the pure, un-manifested energy, the Adishakti. Goddess Kali is seen standing with her one feet on Lord Shiva who is pure formless awareness Sat-Chit-Ananda (being-consciousness-bliss) while Kali represents "form" eternally sustained by the underpinning of pure awareness.
Don't think all Hindus are fool. This is VKumar ( talk) 08:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)
Excuse me but Kali Goddess The Destroyer Of Evil doesn't have anything to do with this Kali Demon. Maha Kālīka is the destroyer of evil, she's not a demon but mother of humanity. This kali demon is the Satan. Kali is the nemesis of Lord Vishnu. Please don't say anything rude or accuse without proper information. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:17, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
This kali demon also has 10 avatars like Vishnu. Haiygreva (Not lord Hayagreeva the Avatar of lord Vishnu), Rahu and ketu, Hiranyaksha and Hiranyakashipu, Vishatha (Gandharva Who waged war Between nations), Ravana and finally Duryodhana. There are other forms but they're not clear but one of his Avatar is a winged serpent (Dragon) which appeared in The beginning of Kali Yuga. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:25, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
I originally got the Sanskrit name for Kali-demon off of the Kaliyuga page. It turns out that the Sanskrit name on the Kali-Goddess page has the same spelling. This is wrong. From my understanding, these names have different sounding a's. So this means, someone messed up on the Kaliyuga page. It should be the Kali of the Kali-Demon, not the goddess. Here, check this out:
Hopefully this has cleared things up a bit. So now all I need is the "correct" Sanskrit term for the Kali-Demon.( !Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 04:55, 20 July 2006 (UTC))
This article on Kalki has been perverted by someone who wants to use it as a commentary on Hindu politics. There is no reasoning provided, only some citations to a book. And the contributor makes claims of "anti-Muslim" and "Hindutva propaganda". This, in an article dealing with a figure from Hindu mythology! Wikipedia has apparently become a public lavatory where anyone with extreme ideological views can come to relieve themselves, as long as they can provide citations to back up their pet prejudices.
Well, I really appreciate the hard work which has been put into this article. But unfortunately I'm afraid that I'm not going to be able to list it as a GA.
The lead just mentions Kali in different epics like Vishnu Purana, Kalki Purana and Mahabharata. It doesn't summarize the entire article. As a rule of thumb, I would like to have a detail from each and every section. But there is no mention of Kali's life, death, significance in the lead.
This section describes Kali but it doesn't have an Image here. The section needs an Image especially so that people can visualize.
This section looks good from above. But when you read the section, it looks like a story. Example:
The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly when he spread it on the bottoms of his feet. But when he flew to the Himalayas and walked around on the mountain snow, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During his time on the mountain, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But he rejected her advances because his guru had told him to never lust after another man’s wife. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.
According to Markandeya Purana, The Brahmin Pravara was given a magical ointment that allowed him to fly. But when he flew to the Himalayas, the ointment was washed away keeping him from returning home to his wife. During this time, the Apsara Varuthini fell madly in love with him and begged the Brahmin to stay with her forever. But eventually, he rejected her. He prayed to Agni who returned him home safely.
This list is not exhaustive, I have just tried to give an idea of the sorts of issues that need to be addressed before a successful GA nomination.
Kali dies one-third of the way through the Kalki Purana->>what do you mean by dies. How is it encyclopedic.
The stench of his blood billowed out and filled the atmosphere with a foul odor.--->peacock terms.
The author comments, "Unlike most battles between gods and demons, however, this apparent victory is immediately undercut, for Kali escapes to reappear in 'another age'—in our age, or the next Kali Age."-->>Who is this expert author
Since he had the power to manifest himself in human form on earth, he was able to forsake his dying corporal form to escape in spirit.--->>Why do you require tems such as dying corporal here. Can't you make it simple.
Good luck, and I hope to see this article back at GAN very soon.... Kensplanet Talk E-mail Contributions 14:56, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest you to remove this sentence. Maybe some Hindus may like this sentence. But Muslims will definitely not like this senetence. How can you compare a community with a demon. Everything for which References are provided need not be posted on Wikipedia. It should be carefully analyzed first. The article should appease both the Hindus and the Muslims and not the Hindus alone. Kensplanet Talk E-mail Contributions 17:08, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
"The authors of the book Science in Culture reason the child looked like the Brahmin because Varuthini believed Kali was indeed Pravara. They give one example from the Jewish “ Zoharic Midrash” that tells the story of how the son of Jacob was born to one woman, but actually belonged to the woman he believed he was making love to. They comment, the “ Sanskrit phrase, ‘from his semen and from her thinking,’ closely parallels the Hebrew phrase, ‘his semen followed his thought’—though with the essential difference that, here, his semen follows her thought.” [1]" as a WP:FRINGE theory and WP:UNDUE to the reason behind the child looking like Pravara, not indirectly connected to kali.-- Redtigerxyz ( talk) 16:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
References
The entire material is totally unconnected to the context of this article. I think it is very necessary to remove this portion in order to make for a consistent article. Otherwise, when we reach this section, it looks like we are reading an article on some different subject which has no relation to the context of this article. That is why I am removing it. Civilizededucation ( talk) 17:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Discussion of the perception of Kali in the modern period is obviously relevant to this aricle. I have tried to fix the article toc. The article should clearly distinguish (a) pre-Puranic literature (Mahabharata), (b) Puranic accounts and (c) modern material. -- dab (𒁳) 17:26, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
"According to the Vishnu Purana, he is a negative manifestation of Vishnu, who along with his extended evil family, perpetually operates as a cause of the destruction of this world."
I can understand why non-Hindus are confused here. Even the translator of Vishnu Purana is utterly confused about the identity of names in Vishnu Purana and its interpretation.
Now to clarification:
Adharma is another name of Nirriti, one of the devatA or gods. What Vishnu Purana is talking about is offsprings of this Devata, namely Nirriti. There is a concept called abhimAni or controller of principles and entities existing in Universe. For example, this Nirriti is controller of the principle called adharma, kAma (cupid) is a devata who controls attraction or desire for women, and similarly different devatAh or gods control different principles or actions in Universe. This is why even the devataH or god's name is called as kAma or adharma (Nirriti). Similarly the sons of Adharma (Nirriti) are given such names because they control these principles. On eof the son's name is Kali. Now this Kali (son of Nirriti in Vishnu Purana) has no relationship to Kali of Mahabharatha who took incarnation as Duryodhana or the same Kali who came out of churning of ocean in Bhagavatha Purana, just as Lakshmi (the daughter of Prajapati) has no connection to Lakshmi the wife of Lord Vishnu. The article is about Kali of Mahabharatha who took incarnation as Duryodhana. He is utterly considered as evil in Hindu texts as Mahabharatha, Bhagavatha and Kalki Purana. He is in no way a manifestation of Vishnu. What Vishnu Purana describes is the power of Vishnu within the devataH (gods like Nirriti and his sons) as immanent God within them. Hope this clarifies the subject and convinces you all. I am going to make corrections assuming you agree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.16.171.18 ( talk) 15:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I thought I had read the first time I visited this page that Kali is an aspect or part of Vishnu. Which interested me for how it could explain themes I'd seen in fiction seemingly drawing on Hindusim. But now that part isn't here?-- JaredMithrandir ( talk) 23:32, 8 May 2016 (UTC)
Well it's the opposite actually. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
Kali was born not created. So he's not Vishnu but "he's like Vishnu" because he has 10 Avatars like him. Rana Asuthosh ( talk) 10:28, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
https://works.bepress.com/kedar_joshi/154/
The entirety of the edits made by Hinduresci ought to be reverted, as they are clearly deeply integrated with the Kedar Joshi nonsense. He is likewise the sole editor of the Kedar Joshi page, which I have placed as under review for deletion, for the 3rd time (Both previous deletions were approved). It seems obvious to me that Hinduresci is a sockpuppet, but I have no actual evidence of this. Still, the edits are largely without merit and overwhelming in amount, making it nonsensical to sift through all several hundred of them to find those that might have valid content. LordQwert ( talk) 17:04, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
Page protected-- please discuss changes/revisions and achieve consensus. Dlohcierekim ( talk) 04:37, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
I want tu be kali 103.136.95.163 ( talk) 15:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
The infobox states that the children of the asura are Dumvishnu, Niraswati, Vishbrahma, and Alakshmi. I can't find any reliable source from Hindu texts that support this. Someone please look into this and add reliable sources to support this content if you can find them or remove them if they are incorrect. Chronikhiles (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2023 (UTC)