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The population of Kabul province in 2006 was roughly 2,425,067. Here is a quote from Kabul' Provincial Profile - MRRD
"Around 19% of the population of Kabul lives in rural districts while 81% lives in urban areas. Around 51% of the population is male and 49% is female. Pashtu is spoken by around sixty percent of the population and Dari is spoken by around forty percent. A small number of people located in 5 villages speaks Pashaie." [1]
Lets use the official numbers and percentages in wikipedia ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 17:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC))
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"On November 12, 2001, America finally took over Kabul City, and the Taliban forces fled from the city. Kabul was under a new Regime now, free from all the terror and war which destructed it for 20 years. Kabul is now in a Re-construction Era with new buildings, schools, universities and a new Government and is under the control of the new Afghan Government and the US Troops."
There is way too much personal bias in this statement. To describe a city which has been so horrifically decimated (it used to be a productive and modern place) by US troops as "free from all the terror and war" is absurd.
There is a lot of personal bias all over the article, not just in this statement, but I find this statement to be the most objectionable and offensive. I'm tagging it with a POV, to allow the main contributors (esp. whoever originally wrote it) to re-write. If it isn't changed or if no-one responds, I'll come back in a few days and spend some time writing it to be as objective and neutral as possible. For now I'm just going to fix the spelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qirex ( talk • contribs) of 10.10.2005
Who is changing the statistic of the population box? In Aims it clearly states that most of those districts are majority Pashtun and Pashtun province. I advice you people to put on your glasses and read better.--The preceding comment was made by IP editor 209.202.115.133 at 14:25, 23 November 2007 (UCT)
I have reverted the edits by User:Kingturtle because they were falsifying the attached sources. The source says: "... The Majority Ethnic Group in Kabul is Tajik, other groups include Hazara, Pashtuns, Turkmen, Uzbek, Baloch. ..." [3] Tājik ( talk) 03:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I reverted a user who is adding distorted percentages which are not sourced, and removing sourced percentages. [4] 119.152.247.228 ( talk) 05:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Since you are not a registered user I put back the demographics that Tajik put up because it is more neutral than your edits.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 21:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but since you agreed that Tajik's edits are neutral in this article we will keep his version of the demographic section of this article. If you disagree with the current version then you are contradicting yourself. And please stop calling my edits vandalism when you are well aware that I haven't anything new or unsourced in this article.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 21:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
your edits stay but I added this phrase in the paragraph
"followed by Persian-speaking Tajiks and Hazaras who are the majority in Kabul City."-- Inuit18 ( talk) 23:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Kabul city is ethnically varied, with large populations of all major ethnic groups in Afghanistan. The broader province however is dominated by Pashtun and Tajik groups. Kabul province’s population, excluding Kabul city, is around 500,000 people, with the majority (some 70% speaking Pashto has their first language, and 30% speaking Dari). http://cpau.org.af/manimages/publications/Kabul_Conflict_Analysis_Mar09_Final.pdf 182.180.61.170 ( talk) 08:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I have reverted an edit by talk. When the government of Afghanistan has been sourced, we cannot add other estimates even if they are sourced. NPS can be used as a source only and only if there are not government or other reliable sources (like the United Nations) are not available. We have to keep in mind that NPS is an ordinary NGO. Again "Just because a source is reliable does not mean it should be included." Wikipedia:Source#Sources. ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 02:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
There has never been a national census taken by the government of Afghanistan. so, even though it is from the government it is still approximations and estimates. Since both NPS and Afghanistan's government provides only estimates we should include both. your removal is against Wikipedia and it is your POV. NPS and other sources should be sourced because Afghanistan's government is not a neutral reference and these NGOs mostly have neutral views towards Afghanistan's ethnic groups.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 02:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Another major problem with the Tribal maps provided by the NPS. If you guys haven't noticed, it clearly writes "Kabul Province Tribal Map" & "Predominant Tribes by districts". Tribal Map, is not even a proper ethnographic map of the districts. These tribal maps are drawn to show which tribe dominates a district. While they have divided Pashtuns in tens of different tribes, they have put all Tajiks under one name. Now obviously there are more Tajiks in some of these districts compare to Wardak or Ghilzai Pashtuns. Wardak and Ghilzai Pashtuns are not the only Pashtun tribes living in these districts, but there are tens of other tribes as well. There are tribal maps for few other provinces as well; Helmand, Farah, Kandahar, Laghman. For example lets look at Laghman Province's tribal map. They have labeled the following tribal groups "Ashkunu, Spin Nasir Khel, Safi Pashtun, Pashtun, Sulaiman Khel, Tajik, Kata Nuristani". In that list they have color codes for Pashtun and Tajik ethnic groups, however, they have separate color codes for Spin Nasir Khel, Safi and Sulaimankhel Pashtuns. All these 3 tribes are Pashtuns as well.
These are not ethnic but more like tribal maps. The worst part is that any one can interpret them in any way they want. ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 19:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
NPS did not make this map. they made this map using different sources and they did use AIMS and a source from the US State department. You are clearly using a subjective argument and you have been changing the articles based on your POV. you use NPS for one article and then remove it in another article clearly shows your bias.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 23:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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Opinion: Though this dispute is over the Naval Postgraduate School map, it is clearly a continuation of the dispute at Demographics of Kabul province earlier on the talk page. Ultimately, this is a dispute as to whether the Afghanistan government's information is more reliable or the Naval Postgraduate School's information is more reliable.
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Can you please stop removing sourced information from the Kabul Province article. Ahmed shahi ( talk) 19:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you! TFOWR This flag once was red 15:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed this from the geography section of the article as it makes no sense: In the Silurian time, at the end of ice era, the icebergs are melted gradually and the territory of this region was poured by water under heavy raining. However someone with some knowledge of the geological evolution of the city/region might wish to put something in its place. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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The population of Kabul province in 2006 was roughly 2,425,067. Here is a quote from Kabul' Provincial Profile - MRRD
"Around 19% of the population of Kabul lives in rural districts while 81% lives in urban areas. Around 51% of the population is male and 49% is female. Pashtu is spoken by around sixty percent of the population and Dari is spoken by around forty percent. A small number of people located in 5 villages speaks Pashaie." [1]
Lets use the official numbers and percentages in wikipedia ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 17:58, 22 July 2009 (UTC))
References
"On November 12, 2001, America finally took over Kabul City, and the Taliban forces fled from the city. Kabul was under a new Regime now, free from all the terror and war which destructed it for 20 years. Kabul is now in a Re-construction Era with new buildings, schools, universities and a new Government and is under the control of the new Afghan Government and the US Troops."
There is way too much personal bias in this statement. To describe a city which has been so horrifically decimated (it used to be a productive and modern place) by US troops as "free from all the terror and war" is absurd.
There is a lot of personal bias all over the article, not just in this statement, but I find this statement to be the most objectionable and offensive. I'm tagging it with a POV, to allow the main contributors (esp. whoever originally wrote it) to re-write. If it isn't changed or if no-one responds, I'll come back in a few days and spend some time writing it to be as objective and neutral as possible. For now I'm just going to fix the spelling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Qirex ( talk • contribs) of 10.10.2005
Who is changing the statistic of the population box? In Aims it clearly states that most of those districts are majority Pashtun and Pashtun province. I advice you people to put on your glasses and read better.--The preceding comment was made by IP editor 209.202.115.133 at 14:25, 23 November 2007 (UCT)
I have reverted the edits by User:Kingturtle because they were falsifying the attached sources. The source says: "... The Majority Ethnic Group in Kabul is Tajik, other groups include Hazara, Pashtuns, Turkmen, Uzbek, Baloch. ..." [3] Tājik ( talk) 03:54, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I reverted a user who is adding distorted percentages which are not sourced, and removing sourced percentages. [4] 119.152.247.228 ( talk) 05:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Since you are not a registered user I put back the demographics that Tajik put up because it is more neutral than your edits.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 21:32, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes, but since you agreed that Tajik's edits are neutral in this article we will keep his version of the demographic section of this article. If you disagree with the current version then you are contradicting yourself. And please stop calling my edits vandalism when you are well aware that I haven't anything new or unsourced in this article.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 21:41, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
your edits stay but I added this phrase in the paragraph
"followed by Persian-speaking Tajiks and Hazaras who are the majority in Kabul City."-- Inuit18 ( talk) 23:15, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
Kabul city is ethnically varied, with large populations of all major ethnic groups in Afghanistan. The broader province however is dominated by Pashtun and Tajik groups. Kabul province’s population, excluding Kabul city, is around 500,000 people, with the majority (some 70% speaking Pashto has their first language, and 30% speaking Dari). http://cpau.org.af/manimages/publications/Kabul_Conflict_Analysis_Mar09_Final.pdf 182.180.61.170 ( talk) 08:31, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
I have reverted an edit by talk. When the government of Afghanistan has been sourced, we cannot add other estimates even if they are sourced. NPS can be used as a source only and only if there are not government or other reliable sources (like the United Nations) are not available. We have to keep in mind that NPS is an ordinary NGO. Again "Just because a source is reliable does not mean it should be included." Wikipedia:Source#Sources. ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 02:25, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
There has never been a national census taken by the government of Afghanistan. so, even though it is from the government it is still approximations and estimates. Since both NPS and Afghanistan's government provides only estimates we should include both. your removal is against Wikipedia and it is your POV. NPS and other sources should be sourced because Afghanistan's government is not a neutral reference and these NGOs mostly have neutral views towards Afghanistan's ethnic groups.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 02:31, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
Another major problem with the Tribal maps provided by the NPS. If you guys haven't noticed, it clearly writes "Kabul Province Tribal Map" & "Predominant Tribes by districts". Tribal Map, is not even a proper ethnographic map of the districts. These tribal maps are drawn to show which tribe dominates a district. While they have divided Pashtuns in tens of different tribes, they have put all Tajiks under one name. Now obviously there are more Tajiks in some of these districts compare to Wardak or Ghilzai Pashtuns. Wardak and Ghilzai Pashtuns are not the only Pashtun tribes living in these districts, but there are tens of other tribes as well. There are tribal maps for few other provinces as well; Helmand, Farah, Kandahar, Laghman. For example lets look at Laghman Province's tribal map. They have labeled the following tribal groups "Ashkunu, Spin Nasir Khel, Safi Pashtun, Pashtun, Sulaiman Khel, Tajik, Kata Nuristani". In that list they have color codes for Pashtun and Tajik ethnic groups, however, they have separate color codes for Spin Nasir Khel, Safi and Sulaimankhel Pashtuns. All these 3 tribes are Pashtuns as well.
These are not ethnic but more like tribal maps. The worst part is that any one can interpret them in any way they want. ( Ketabtoon ( talk) 19:30, 30 November 2009 (UTC))
NPS did not make this map. they made this map using different sources and they did use AIMS and a source from the US State department. You are clearly using a subjective argument and you have been changing the articles based on your POV. you use NPS for one article and then remove it in another article clearly shows your bias.-- Inuit18 ( talk) 23:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
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Opinion: Though this dispute is over the Naval Postgraduate School map, it is clearly a continuation of the dispute at Demographics of Kabul province earlier on the talk page. Ultimately, this is a dispute as to whether the Afghanistan government's information is more reliable or the Naval Postgraduate School's information is more reliable.
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Can you please stop removing sourced information from the Kabul Province article. Ahmed shahi ( talk) 19:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
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Thank you! TFOWR This flag once was red 15:10, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have removed this from the geography section of the article as it makes no sense: In the Silurian time, at the end of ice era, the icebergs are melted gradually and the territory of this region was poured by water under heavy raining. However someone with some knowledge of the geological evolution of the city/region might wish to put something in its place. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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Due to recent events of Taliban, this page requires a lot of updates, as it is nowhere near present day. MitochondriaIsThePowerhouse ( talk) 19:05, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
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