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Removed several sentences from the article's final paragraph that were clearly derived from POV and had no citations or information to back up their claims.
First was Trudeau's lack of public service. Paul Dewar, MP for Ottawa Centre, was a teacher like Trudeau. Such a profession is generally considered public service, not to mention the fact that Trudeau has campaigned for several progressive NGOs and humanitarian causes. Countless MPs, like Maxime Bernier, had spent the majority of their professional careers working in the private sector, which also doesn't traditionally diminish the assertion that they are suited for public service.
Second, the paragraph claims that Pierre Trudeau, and Justin, entered public life merely to gain attention from the media and in the public forum. Trudeau was asked by the Pearson government, along with Jean Marchand and other significant contributors to Quebec's political dialogue, to join the Liberal party and seek a seat in the House of Commons. The statement made is a blatant attempt at discrediting both the father and the son without any evidence.
The vast majority of Liberal Party candidates are elected through nomination meetings with an extremely limited number of candidates appointed by the leader's office. The practice only became largely significant under the leadership of Paul Martin, depite the fact that the party's grassroots remained in charge of nominating almost every single Liberal candidate.
I removed the section altogether. It was completely unsourced and clearly doesn't follow Wikipedia policy. There's nothing to suggest Mr. Dion would block his nomination, or that there's some giant movement of resentment against Trudeau himself. If someone is going to post outrageous claims like that, they had better have sources for it. Sima Yi 01:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Sima. I wanted to do that, but didn't think I quite had the authority since I'm just editing from an IP and without an account.
Title says it all, I find the main photo in this article to be several times too big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghyslyn ( talk • contribs) 20:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Justin Trudeau is not the MP for Papineau. At this moment he is the MP-elect. He is not the incumbent, he is not (yet) preceded by Vivian Barbot. This is an oversight, and should be corrected until he is sworn into office. BostonWinger ( talk) 19:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Didn't he go to University Hill school in the UEL in Vancouver? and/or a Vancouver high school? The bio passage only mentions he was raised in Montreal and went camping with his Dad, then plunges into where he got his degrees at..... Skookum1 ( talk) 13:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted this addition to the Controversy, which in my opinion is neither neutral nor notable. The characterization of the original remark as "infamous" is not neutral, and the assertion that this self-described twitter "frenzy" -- a non-neutral and frankly frivolous term imo -- is notable for our purposes as an encyclopedia is not backed up by multiple reliable sources. As a regular on twitter myself, such "controversies" are as 'frenzied' as they are short-lived; it's what twitter does. I'm not at all convinced this hand-written note and the brief notoriety it sparked on social media has any lasting notability, but of course I won't revert if someone restores this with the NPOV issues addressed, and more sourcing offered. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 02:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
There should be some mention of his boxing match with Patrick Brazeau. It goes to his character. 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 06:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC) http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/31/trudeau-shows-grit 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 06:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
The charity boxing match got essentially zero coverage outside Canada. Really. There is no indication that any serious injuries occurred or were contemplated. The publicity was intended to raise money for a charity. It was truly not biographically important. And was not "unprecedented in the world of politics." Cheers.
The fact is that he was just elected leader of the Party, and very few people doubt he will be Prime Minister. What he said to Quebecers is the most important thing he has said in terms of history, and it is how the world will judge his politics. That's why it belongs in the lead; it's what people around the world want to know about Justin Trudeau--not as to his political viability, but as to a matter of fact. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
You're right, of course; the fact that he said that belongs in an article about the leadership acceptance speech given at the 2013 Liberal Party of Canada Leadership Convention, not in an article about Justin Trudeau. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC) And why bother leave the fact that "over 104,000 party members voted"? That fact would only have significance to someone knowledgeable about voting statistics among Canadian federal political parties. The significance is that he is more numerically and statistically significant than any other leader of a federal political party in Canada. Then again, such an assertion might not constitute a neutral point of view, especially considering the looming possibility of a coup d'etat in Quebec (sic). You've got to be kidding me with this mechanical-application-of-biased-interpretation-of-the-rules nonsense. As if most people glance at this article for some esoteric fact about when Justin Trudeau's birthday is. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
It appears some things are getting added to sections where they don't really make sense and the page is becoming messy because of it. The controversy section now discusses his policies towards pipelines, despite it being a non-controversial issue. With regards to the paragraph in the controversy section, it says that he supports the Alberta government's policies more than other leadership candidates which doesn't make much sense. There's been a few things written with regards to Trudeau's comments regarding the Nexen deal and pipelines that say he was the only one in support among the leadership candidates, but there doesn't seem to be any proof to back this up. With regards to the Nexen deal he seemed to be the only candidate to come out 100% in favour of approving it, but not all of the other candidates were against it. On Martha Hall Findlay's website she said that she supports the deal in principle, but had some questions regarding it. I believe Marc Garneau's views were very much the same as her's, so they hardly oppose it. If people actually want to improve this page I think we should discuss a better way of organizing it. What sections are needed and what information should fit in those sections. Locking the page might be required for a while to get it up to date. Newfoundlander&Labradorian ( talk) 17:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
The article previously indicated that Justin Trudeau succeeded Bob Rae as leader of the party. Although Rae was interim leader, he was still the leader, no? Currently, the articles for both Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff recognize that Rae was preceded by Ignatieff and succeeded by Trudeau. However, User:KBillie has twice now modified this article to read that Trudeau directly succeeded Ignatieff, which seems to be a very tenuous argument based on the fact that the party's constitution defines the details of the interim leader position separately from the details of the "permanent" leader position? I think common sense tells us that Trudeau succeeded Rae, but either way, I think the articles should be consistent one way or another (and right now, they are not). user:j (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
KBILLY: No. In response to, "Although Rae was "interim" leader, he was still "the" leader, no?" No. No, Bob Rae was never, ever, the "Leader" of the Liberal Party of Canada.
1. I cited the constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada in my edit. The section I named shows that "Interim Leader" and "Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada" are distinct offices.
2. There is no suggestion anywhere that Bob Rae was ever elected "Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada."
3. Since Bob Rae was never elected "Leader," it is impossible for Trudeau to succeed him as "Leader." The most recent "Leader" is Michael Ignatieff, so I would accept "Ignatieff" or "vacant."
4. Some mention has been made of the Dion article, that he succeeds Bill Graham. I submit that this is also an error, and Bill Graham was never elected to be Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. If we can resolve this dispute correctly, then we should make subsequent amendments to other articles to correctly reflect the succession of LPC leaders.
5. As to the point "seems a little silly not to acknowlege that Rae was the leader," please note that Rae was not ever the leader. He did run for leader, twice. Once in 2006, and again in 2008, losing the first time and dropping out in favour of Michael Ignatieff the second time. He also flirted publicly with the notion of running for leader again in 2013, but did not run. It is material, therefore, and not silly, to note as a matter of history that Bob Rae was never the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, despite his best efforts.
6. I respectfully suggest that I have submitted the only authority on this subject, the Constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada. Whatever others may think, whether they like Rae, or whether their "common sense" says that he was Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, or Pope of Rome, or winner of the Tour de France, it behooves you to cite some authority before repeatedly changing the succession edit, which I submit should read "Michael Ignatieff."
-KBillie — Preceding unsigned comment added by KBillie ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I've taken the initiative of changing the "predecessor" section to read "Bob Rae (interim), then Michael Ignatieff," which I hope will close the matter. CJCurrie ( talk) 01:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
There's a lot more issues on this page that people should be more concerned about. :) Newfoundlander&Labradorian ( talk) 22:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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* Agreed. Uninvolved editor here via the DR/N. The predecessor, according to five reliable sources with a quick search, was Rae (with some explanation, which is covered in this article.) ([in French] "d'abord remercié Bob Rae, qui a assuré l'intérim du parti depuis la démission de Michael Ignatieff en mai 2011.") This looks settled, closing the DR/N. EBY ( talk) 16:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
By KBillie: I have to continue to take issue. Krazytea - you ask why this is an issue here, where it has never been an issue with any other Interim Leader? No other Interim Leader (besides Ignatieff himself who was later elected Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada at a formal convention) ever presumed upon the title of Leader or aspired to it.
As for the DR/N, I wonder what "five reliable soureces" are more reliable than the Constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada, which clearly describes the Interim Leader as a seperate office. @EBY3321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.197.151 ( talk) 23:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
The Justin Trudeau page has received a lot of vandalism recently (today's 6 July 2015). I hope someone is able to request some sort of protection on the page as was done to Stephen Harper's page, to prevent further vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CentreLeftRight ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
NPOV Issues I have removed some phrasing in the article that didn't really conform to the NPOV standards. For one, some of the text [notably the "Canadians were impressed by his good looks and his eloquence, and immediately began to speculate that a career in politics might soon be ahead of him."] was perhaps more gushy than encyclopedic, and also wasn't strictly true [I doubt that many Albertans, for example, were too impressed by him]. -- 142.110.227.98 22:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)--
couldn't be put any better, as a native albertan myself 124.87.233.177 14:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Should the profession of teacher be changed? Jokerbewild ( talk) 17:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Details his admission of pot use while a sitting MP, and his change from demanding mandatory minimums for pot offences to instead fighting for legalization (as opposed to decriminalization). 216.65.182.66 ( talk) 17:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Liberal leader Justin Trudeau's stance on legalizing marijuana was first made public in Kelowna, B.C. on July 24th, 2013. Currently, the WP article states that his transition from advocating for decriminalization to full legalization of marijuana was following Colorado's experiences with legalization, which only can into effect in January 1st, 2014. Therefore Mr. Trudeau's stance in favour of legalizing marijuana predated Colorado's implementation of the legalization of marijuana. Additionally, Mr. Trudeau's use of marijuana while a MP is relevant to his legalization stance. These corrections will be made to the article, with strong sources from reputable Canadian news and media outlets. If there is a disagreement about the accuracy of these sources, please post your concerns to the talk section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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We've always added office-designate to individuals who party won the most seats in any provincial election. We should do the same here, particulary as CBC news as projected a Liberal Majority Gov't. GoodDay ( talk) 02:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
GoodDay, I was mostly aiming my comment to Miesianiacal haha Vaselineeeeeeee ( talk) 03:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Can we update the infobox, now? GoodDay ( talk) 04:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm not a registered user. Just noted the issues 6.1 and 6.3 about Political Positions on Abortion and Religion seem to have been edited to add moral recomendations for him at the end of the paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.32.53 ( talk) 05:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that there wasn't any mention of next month's election. So I added it. It's an important part of his CV. YoursT ( talk) 16:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
See Yogi Berra and WP:NOTNEWS. We can wait for actual results at this point - and the article cited shows a substantial overlap in numbers of seats likely for the two major parties. Collect ( talk) 14:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Harper has already resigned, effective when Justin is ready. YoursT ( talk) 14:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Under the section on Canadian federal election, 2015, the article states:
"On October 19, 2015, after the longest official campaign in over a century, Trudeau led the Liberals to a decisive victory in the federal election. The Liberals won 184 of the 338 seats, with 54.4 percent of the popular vote, for a strong majority government"
Not quite. 184 out of 338 is 54.4% of the seats. The actual percentage of the popular vote was 39.47%, as per the Wikipedia article on the election.
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Please add Justin Trudeau's template to Justin Trudeau's Wikipedia page !!! 99.235.156.199 ( talk) 18:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Who added moronic to the article? I am not a registered user but someone needs to delete this. 130.126.159.201 ( talk) 04:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
See title. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! ( BOOM!) 22:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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is incorrect. He took all of the seats in Toronto, Ontario (city proper). Thornhill and Markham-Unionville are ridings north of Toronto. 173.32.168.16 ( talk) 21:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Seeing as the departure date (November 4, 2015) has been inserted at Stephen Harper's infobox. Shall we insert November 4, 2015 as the assumption date in this infobox? GoodDay ( talk) 21:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Request removal of a reiteration of "the" in the following paragraph by changing this:
"He led his party to victory in the 2015 federal election, defeating Conservative Party Prime Minister Stephen Harper and leading the then third-placed Liberals from 36 seats to 184 seats in the House of Commons, the the largest-ever numerical increase by a party in a Canadian election."
To this:
"He led his party to victory in the 2015 federal election, defeating Conservative Party Prime Minister Stephen Harper and leading the then third-placed Liberals from 36 seats to 184 seats in the House of Commons, the largest-ever numerical increase by a party in a Canadian election."
SynapticHammer 11:22, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Quote from the cbc.ca citation: +150 Increase in seats since 2011 election
. This is also independently verifiable by looking at the 2011 election results when the Liberals had 34 seats and the 2015 results where they have 184 seats. Yet the 150-seat gain keeps getting changed to 148 for some reason.
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The obama article does not mention his stances on a limited number of specific issues, but instead is more biographical. Likewise, this need not highlight just a few issues. Alternatively, it could be placed on a campaign page for the recent election or somewhere similar. Lihaas ( talk) 02:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The Thomas Mulcair WP article includes a political views section. The Barack Obama and Stephen Harper articles do as well, although these are separated into domestic policy and foreign policy sections. Perhaps these subtitles would be more appropriate and consistent with other world leaders. this may be a better solution than removing 5000 characters worth of sourced content. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 03:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
He's PM now!
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The article is protected, so I can't fix it myself, but in the 'Religion' section, there is a reference to the Quebec charter of values, which goes as follows:
Trudeau, a Roman Catholic,[148] has expressed opposition towards the proposed Quebec Charter of Values, a controversial charter in that city and elsewhere that among other things prohibited public sector employees from wearing or displaying "conspicuous" religious symbols, justifying that it would make the people of Quebec "choose between their freedom of religion and freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and their economic well-being and their acceptance in the workplace. That for me is a real concern."[149] The Charter was dismissed after the Quebec Liberal Party won in the 2014 provincial election.
What city? I mean, Quebec city exists, but clearly that is not what is being referenced here. As the section seems to reference the Province, not any particular city. Also, I'm not disputing that it was controversial, having witnessed it myself in the media there. But the fact that it was controversial isn't even sourced here, as far as I can tell. Plenty of people were in favor of the charter, it's a biased way to present it. It barely gives a mention of the entirety of the charter : "....among other things..." as if the charter mainly about religious displays. It wasn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.182.5 ( talk) 03:04, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I want to make sure there is an article for each cabinet member:
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I would want to change the photo into a more recent one Awesome7879 ( talk) 20:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Got a quote farm growing....anyone want to tackle this.... who's good at paraphrasing?-- Moxy ( talk) 11:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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There are few sections on policy - it is early in the mandate - but the article reads like a hagiography. Trudeau promised to liberalize the laws on marijuana - what is not mentioned in this article is the fact that Canada is signatory to international treaties that prevents him from doing so. The article mentions the promised withdrawal from combat operations against ISIL, but fails to mention the backlash from NATO and the freezing out of Canada to international discussions. Are these being intentionally deleted, or have WP editors been negligent in adding them? 96.51.16.28 ( talk) 04:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
It would be useful to know what he did before he went into politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.100.105 ( talk) 18:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Can someone split up some of the run-on sentences in the Early Life section? I noticed two egregious ones:
I didn't copy the entire things because I didn't want to clutter the page. I'd fix it myself but I don't have an account. There's one more that I noticed, but it's much less jarring than the two I highlighted. I skimmed to the Advocacy heading and didn't see any others. 70.72.44.2 ( talk) 21:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Since this article is purely about Canada, the date format should be DMY, as in 23 December 2015. Granted there should be consistency so if all dates are in the MDY format, that makes sense. However, this is not the format for dates used in Canada. Peter K Burian 19:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC) /info/en/?search=User:Peter_K_Burian
OK, that's reasonable: consistency. I still feel that DMY is the better format for Canada, but I won't argue with Wikipedia on that. 174.95.157.129 ( talk) 00:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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Under religion, this wiki page implies he's a lapsed Catholic. It doesn't include the end of the quote from the source it uses to deliberately mislead readers. It needs to be changed ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.38.122 ( talk) 22:21, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
User:Littleolive oil just adjusted the lead to change "is the current Prime Minister of Canada as well as the leader of the Liberal Party" to "is the Prime Minister of Canada and the leader of the Liberal Party". This edit was referred with the explanation "take it to the talk page - it's been like this for a very long time", or something to that effect. That is a pretty weak reason for restoring a longer, wordier version that says 'exactly the same thing' as the new, shorter version.
Let's parse this since someone thinks that a simple copyedit like this needs to be discussed on the talk page:
We're not getting paid by the word here, so adding extras words that don't add meaning does no-one any favours - certainly not the readers.
Let's restore this sensible edit. Ground Zero | t 02:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
I won't argue this further after this comment but Wikipedia content must be "current" now and in the future years. For that reason, we do not use terms which limit the meaning to now. Instead what we do is date, for example, Trudeau is the leader in 2016 or is the 23 Prime Minister. Wikipedia is not a newspaper.
A few days ago Trudeau held a press conference at Waterloo's Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics. A reporter planning to ask about Canada's mission against ISIS opened his question good-naturedly (given the setting) with "“I was going to ask you to explain quantum computing." But before he could get to his actual question Trudeau launched into an explanation of how quantum computing worked (namely packing more information into one qubit), and what it was good for (namely smaller computers).
His two answers instantly went viral. This is just one of the many hits Google returned today on this topic.
Is that sufficiently notable for the article?
(Trudeau was an English major who after a stint as a teacher in Vancouver went into engineering and from there to environmental geography. Not the sort of background that would have let him answer that question off-the-cuff without some coaching. Speculation is that he was coached earlier that day. Speaking as someone who was trained in quantum mechanics in the 1960's, who wrote a couple of papers on the logic of quantum behavior in the 1990's, and who has been keeping a close eye on QC since, my take on what Trudeau said was that his coaches if any weren't all that up on quantum computing themselves. One could pack a better answer than his to both questions in a single tweet. I had a shot at this myself this evening.) Vaughan Pratt ( talk) 02:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Sarah Coyne is missing from siblings list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.105.237 ( talk) 22:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
"I don't read newspapers or listen to the news. I figure if its important for me to know, someone will just tell me."
"I have a lot of respect for people who don't think a lot about politics, terrorism."
"We shouldn't call honour killings "barbaric" it's an inflammatory word."
"Even if ISIS did a Paris style attack, we won't fight them back... we will help them."
Some of these informative quotes might be of relevance here.-- Omegaalephnull ( talk) 06:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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I want to edit this please— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:e008:43:24a0:f8c7:3c8d:25e:3ada ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 11 May 2016
There seems to be some confusion concerning terminology in this section. Just to be clear, a majority of seats is not required for a political party in the current FPTP system to form government. A majority of seats is only required to form a Majority government. There is a large difference between forming government, and forming a majority government.
Also, PR is not used in the majority of democracies. It is used in only 35% of the world's nations. [1] [2] Adding the Weasel word mature does not make this statement true either, as how does one define mature?
Most importantly, in accordance with Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy, this content should be written with a disinterested tone. It must not be written as an opinion-based essay for or against electoral reform. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 21:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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I think Justin Trudeau's approval rating and the public's opinion on him should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.159.157.246 ( talk) 19:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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The read date in the spoken wikipedia template is given as 2016-22-02. Obviously, what is meant is 2016-02-22. Please change. Thank you. nats-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SWC/ 80.171.71.39 ( talk) 09:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I have reverted the second, abbreviated, addition of the Saudi arms deal. Part of the reason for the revert is in my edit summary. I also think that the Saudi arms deal would be undue weight to add to this article. Dr. K. 17:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
In April 2016, Trudeau has defended the $15-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia as "a matter of principle.does not make any sense to the reader since there is no prior mention of the Saudi arms deal anywhere in the article. So to mention the deal in a vacuum, without mentioning the details of the deal or the surrounding controversy about it, is confusing to the reader. But by the time we explain all this, it would be WP:UNDUE since this is a biographical article and not a Trudeau government policy article. Having said that, I realise fully that you are very likely not to agree with my rationale, so instead of going back and forth in vain, I would wait for other editors to chime in so as to gauge consensus on this matter. Dr. K. 19:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Marvel Comics. Please add this. -- 74.190.107.124 ( talk) 04:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
The part of the early life section talking about Trudeau's ancestors is ridiculously long and should either be shortened greatly or removed. -- Kuzwa ( talk) 03:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please clarify his education? Did he do a degree in engineering? Did he complete his Master's in Environmental Geography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.52.17.241 ( talk) 04:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Should article make clear that his school was a fee-paying one and that he had a highly privileged education. May not be obvious to non-Canadian readers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.36.121 ( talk) 17:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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The article says that Trudeau began a Master's a Geography in 2005 and that he dropped out after one year to pursue the liberal nomination for the Montreal riding of Papineau. I am a little confused by this, as he dropped out in 2006 and it wasn't until early 2007 that rumours began that he might seek the nomination. He won the nomination on April 30, 2007, which is when he would have graduated from his Master's program if he had stayed in school. Nathalie Des Rosier ran for the provincial Liberal nomination, in 2016, in Ottawa Vanier, and won the riding in a by-election while she was the Dean of the Univesity of Ottawa's Faculty of Law. Considering this, it seems unlikely that Trudeau dropped out one year before the nomination vote, he could easily have completed his degree and ran for the nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.64.20 ( talk) 02:10, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
This relationship is listed twice, once in Ancestry and birth, then again in Personal life. Surely this genealogical ephemera isn't that important that it merits duplication. I would further suggest that when we are talking about this many generations, the precise number becomes unimportant, and he can simply be described as a "descendant" of Farquhar rather than using the awkward "great-great-great-great-great-grandson" or "5th-great-grandson" formulations. 50.37.121.232 ( talk) 19:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add a list of books on Trudeau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.149.36.178 ( talk) 17:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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From: Justin Pierre James Trudeau PC MP (born December 25, 1971) is a Canadian politician.
To: Justin Pierre James Trudeau PC MP (born December 25, 1971) is a Canadian politician and the current Canadian Prime Minister. Kteckca ( talk) 10:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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When despised politicians get images which cast them in the most positive light possible, I think that Justin Trudeau deserves a better image the current one. Many Canadians admire him and hold hope that he might be the man that his father was, and rival the government currently in power. The current image displays him with an odd expression. Let's find an image that shows him a better light (like that of any other popular political figure on Wikipedia.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neurolanis ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
The image isn't terrible, but it is out of date. Trudeau has been keeping his hair shorter lately. And the Liberals have an official portrait that is available to use: http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/official-graphics/ https://www.liberal.ca/files/2014/04/justintrudeau-official-1.png Matsnowie ( talk) 16:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
PHOTO UPDATE :
I agree with the other posters here, the picture seems unofficial and definitely outdated. If I gave a link to a more recent picture of Trudeau actually looking into the camera and a bit more professional looking could it then be changed? as long as its a free image? I'm not sure if this is an acceptable photo or if its free but just an example.
Such as perhaps - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201510/n_90144_1.jpg
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Doesn't make much sense, the Liberal Party has made official head shots of him for use, 95% of all world leaders have professional looking photos on their wiki page, Trudeau's is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.224.154 ( talk) 06:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-promise-betrayal-1.3962386
Justin Trudeau has abandoned electoral reform. This should be added under the electoral reform section. 68.147.36.106 ( talk) 10:03, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
On a recent BLM Toroto protest BLM Toronto accused Justin Trudeau of being a 'white supremacist terrorist' - Is he? (i'm not canadian i do not know) Y 109.193.127.77 ( talk) 22:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
French and English ancestors would be more logical. Why "French Canadian" and not "English Canadian"? Ibn Gabirol ( talk) 14:38, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
This article is very chatty, very informal. Information presented includes that he took a school bus and his mother wanted him to go to a particular school.
Worldwide, in many countries, it is reported that .....fellow student Matthew Perry, who was later to become a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.
To me it fits but maybe it could be worded so as to make Trudeau look good. Actually, it does because Perry is ashamed of the fight, according to many reliable sources. I can see how some might not want it because they may feel it makes Trudeau look weak and impotent. Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Nowhere in the two sources there is a definitive statement thatThere, fellow student Matthew Perry, who was later to become a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.<ref>http://people.com/politics/matthew-perry-beat-up-classmate-justin-trudeau/</ref></ref>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39294699</ref>
Both sources are careful to mention that these are Mathew Perry's claims and do not assert that the beating actually happened. If we add in the article that Perry claims that he and another boy beat Trudeau, it would be WP:UNDUEWEIGHT for this biography, because we cannot add gossip from people claiming things about Trudeau. This is not Perry's biography and Perry's claims about Trudeau don't belong here. Dr. K. 04:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)...a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.
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Trudeau is essentially Franco-Scottish and this fact should be reflected in the order of the stubs section. Instead his French and Scottish heritage is listed in a subordinate fashion giving precedence to whatever English he has in his DNA. As for the Anglo-Irish, this term is just a synonym for 'English' ergo it duplicates another stub; it might also imply an Irish connection which does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.167.50 ( talk) 17:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
He's a frat boy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.43.5 ( talk) 23:45, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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Trudeau is the youngest Canadian Prime Minister after Joe Clark. He is the eldest son of Pierre Trudeau, and the first to be related to a previous holder of the post.[3][4] Brynbecker ( talk) 00:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed there is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Justin_Trudeau_in_1972 but no category for 1971, does this mean there are no photos of him from December 25-31? None showing him during the first week of life?
All three appear to be from the April 14 visit with Pat Nixon. So there are none from January to March of 72? The earliest we have is 111 days old ? ScratchMarshall ( talk) 20:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz: re special:diff/826932331 where you removed the following sources:
A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father was also shared widely on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The Canadian government denied the reports this week.
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I did not find "a" source. I added TWO. I didn't add more because that would be bloat. While the 2016 reporting by The Sun on this wouldn't pass notability standards, Time reporting "The Canadian government denied the reports" in 2018 is grounds for us to consider it. Time refers to "reports" (plurally) and affirms government reaction to the rumor. This shows it has gone beyond mere ignorable tabloids, and is a prominent enough rumor that the Canadian government itself reacted to quash it. Governments only intervene to quash NOTABLE conspiracy theories. You don't see the Canadian government intervening to say "Justin Trudeau is not a reptilian" or similar.
Here are other sources which have reported on it:
A story claiming that Fidel Castro was the father of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is not true. The Canadian government denied it, Cuba has never claimed it and Trudeau's parents never visited Cuba until several years after Justin Trudeau was born. The Feb. 1 suicide of Castro's oldest son, Fidelito, spurred the most recent report on several sites, claiming that Fidelito left a suicide note referring to Justin Trudeau as his half-brother. A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father was also shared widely on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The Canadian government denied the reports this week.
The Canadian government has denied multiple claims that Fidel Castro was the father of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The Canadian government denied the report this week, the Associated Press reported. The Associated Press published the report as part on ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online. A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father has widely been shared on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The theory once again spurred the internet after Castro's eldest son Fidel "Fidelito" Ángel Castro Díaz-Balart, killed himself earlier this month. According to various reports, Fidelito left a suicide note behind where he addressed the 46-year-old Prime Minister as his 'half-brother'.
If you ever needed any more evidence that the internet has melted our brains and there is no return from this current hell world, the Associated Press—THE ASSOCIATED PRESS!!!—took it upon themselves to write a goddamn debunker entitled "No, Fidel Castro is not Canada PM Trudeau's father" around this conspiracy. Thanks AP!
I don't think it's possible for anyone to deny how this has persisted for years and received international news coverage. It belongs as a footnote in the Castro section. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 20:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz: yes, it's ridiculous, but a lot of ridiculous things are still noteworthy because of worldwide mainstream coverage over a period of years, Reptilians for example. Please list the reliable sources you're referring to about the nonexistent Queen, I've never heard of that before. The reason it's relevant to point this out is because the Canadian government actually released an official statement on the matter and top newspapers around the globe covered that reaction.
@ Moxy: I don't agree with you that the preexisting section should be removed. You are engaged in fortune-telling about what will or will not be considered notable in a decade. Your WP:OR doesn't belong. We had mainstream coverage in 2016 regarding the world's reaction to Justin's behavior toward Castro. I suppose it is useful to duplicate these in case someone continues to blank sources...
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help)@ Dr.K.: what matters here is not whether or not the conspiracy is credible/ridiculous but whether or not it is notable. Wikipedia does not include credible conspiracy theories which are not notable, but it does include non-credible notable ones. Censorship is a behavior, it doesn't speak to the motive of the censurer. The verb simply means "to remove objectionable content". Jeppiz removed the content while objecting to it in the edit summary, thus censorship. I am not accusing him of censorship for "disagreeing" because he did more than disagree, he censored the sources by removing them from the page. I do not know Jeppiz' motives and am only going by the edit summary.
I don't see any of you discussing actual policy here. I've provided widespread sourcing showing major worldwide coverage over years. You appear to be ignoring this because... why? Wikipedia does not censor conspiracy theories for fear of giving them a platform, it reports on notable ones and the non-credible ones evaporate under the spotlight. This is definitely notable, how many more sources would you need than the seven (Sun/Time/NPost/NYT/DMail/JPost/Vice) already supplied? Or is your stance to deny discussing material no matter how much government/media response occurs?
Can you suggest a better place for content like this which should be covered on Wikipedia? Perhaps a Canadian version of Category:Public_image_of_American_politicians for Prime Ministers? I'd be fine if you wanted to export to a public image of Justin Trudeau fork. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 04:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Article makes it seem as if Justin Trudeau implied someone was "guilty of sin" for disagreeing with him.
The citation within the cited article is of a 1995 book by Tomas Sowell, nothing to do with Mr. Trudeau.
Liberal arrogance out of control - Toronto Sun
Sowell writes. “Those who accept this vision are deemed to be not merely factually correct, but morally on a different plane. Put differently, those who disagree with the prevailing vision are seen as not merely in error, but in sin.”" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:59A4:6100:8865:8DD7:591E:9B2F ( talk) 19:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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Remove "Trudeau also has remote ethnic Malaccan ancestry" because it is not established. The referenced book is an opinion piece whereas the referenced article contradicts the statement itself. 108.161.21.120 ( talk) 22:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
The reference to his charity boxing match against another politician says that the result was an "upset." That sounds silly, since neither "combatant" was a boxer at all. It should be removed. AlexanderSoul ( talk) 19:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Response - The source states that the odds were a 3 to 1 against Trudeau since his opponent was trained in martial arts and served as a reservist. Taishonambu ( talk) 23:14, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Justin is in Category:Canadian people of Portuguese descent and Category:Canadian people of Dutch descent, but neither of his parents are and there is no evidence for these ancestries in the text AFAICT. Anyone care to elaborate on this? platypeanArchcow ( talk) 20:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
he have little has an indo touch maybe it's 5 generations /info/en/?search=Indo_people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.194.37.114 ( talk) 07:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Prime Minister Trudeau’s maternal five times great-grandmother, Antoinette Clement, was the daughter of a French father and an ethnic Malaysian mother, making Prime Minister Trudeau of 1/256th Malaysian descent. Another of Prime Minister Trudeau’s maternal five times great-grandmothers, Anna Francina Carels/Karels, was the daughter of a Dutch father and an ethnic Indonesian mother, making Prime Minister Trudeau of 1/256th Indonesian descent. As such, Prime Minister Trudeau is the first Prime Minister of Canada with documented non-European ancestry.This was discussed on CBC's Who Do You Think You Are? Show Taishonambu ( talk) 23:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the recent SNC Lavalin affair? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.55.62 ( talk) 01:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
File:PM Justin Trudeau colour.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macropedia ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
"Disgraced' Justin Trudeau asked to Resign over Obstruction of justice" Let me guess, you do not want to improve the article by mentioning anything about that? Presario2200 ( talk) 2:10 pm, 9 March 2019, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC+9)
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".the best I can do does not do the place much justice in the way of beauty." Tom Thomson, letter to Dr. James MacCallum, Oct. 6, 1914, from Canoe Lake Station
(MacCallum Papers, National Gallery of Canada Archives)
Tom Thomson's landscape paintings in oil created an enduring image of the Ontario North. His art both reflected and reinforced developing Canadian nationalism. Although he was associated with the Group of Seven, he was not a member. His early death helped make him an iconic figure.
Thomson may have attended evening art classes at the Central Ontario School of Art and Design, Toronto, and studied with William Cruikshank in 1905. He acquired the strong design skills evident in his art (Northern River, 1914-1915), in the Toronto commercial art world. Thomson joined Grip Limited, Engravers, in 1909, and Rous and Mann Press Limited in 1912. Thomson met members of the future Group of Seven there, and at the Arts and Letters Club in Toronto. He shared studios with A.Y. Jackson and Franklin Carmichael at the Studio Building. Thomson's work reflects his exposure to Arts and Crafts design, the work of his artist friends, and contemporary Scandinavian art, as seen by Group of Seven members Lawren Harris and J.E.H. MacDonald in a Buffalo exhibition of 1913.
After a brief business career in Seattle, Thomson became a Toronto commercial artist in 1905. He began painting in 1911, and (with the support of Dr. James MacCallum) became a full-time artist in 1913. Thomson first visited Algonquin Park in 1911, and worked there as a wilderness guide. He sketched mostly in the spring or summer, wintering in Toronto where he worked his sketches up into larger canvases. By late 1915, Thomson's approach to landscape painting was more imagination-based. He often sought some natural feature corresponding to his pre-existing ideas, or painted landscapes in his Toronto studio from memory. Thomson's design experience permeates his late canvases, which feature stylized tree branches and flat areas of strong colour (The Jack Pine, 1916-1917). The National Gallery of Canada owns many of Thomson's sketches, as well as the larger paintings he made from them (The Opening of the Rivers: Sketch for 'Spring Ice', 1915; Spring Ice, winter 1915-16). Thomson drowned in Canoe Lake in 1917.
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1939 Member, Ontario Society of Artists
"It is best to avoid time-dependent statements,..." MOS:BIO in reference to reversions in the lead. Littleolive oil ( talk) 00:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
The allegations of sexual misconduct against trudeau should be in its own section. It was previously in the section "University and early career", but sexual misconduct, as far as I know, was not part of his university education, nor did he make a career of it. User:Somedifferentstuff please ensure this stays in its own section. Wisefroggy ( talk) 13:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Somedifferentstuff two of your edits were reverted: those edits replaced sourced material with material not in the sources. In particular: his partial years in engineering and masters, the sources use the words "dropped out"; they do not use the word "left. It is important that all material is sourced. 2nd: the reverted edit used the word "completed one year", but I cannot find that in any of the references. "Completed" is not the same as attended or enrolled - I can enroll in a math course, but if I fail the exam, I obviously did not "complete" it. Similarly, university transcripts say something like "Year 1 Completed" ONLY after all the required year 1 courses have been passed. If you find a reference saying he actually completed the year, please add it.
It is important that all of us retain a WP:NPOV; if you disagree with any edits, please say so here and let's talk. Thanks! Wisefroggy ( talk) 03:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
User:Somedifferentstuff "dropped out" does NOT mean "didn't graduate" (example: one "didn't graduate" because they could've been expelled, or failed out, or died, or whatever... and none of these mean "dropped out"). It is important that all of us retain a WP:NPOV; if you disagree with any edits, please say so here and let's talk. Thanks! Wisefroggy ( talk) 14:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Can someone add this?
https://nationalpost.com/news/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001-1.4599850
https://globalnews.ca/news/5921332/justin-trudeau-brownface-photo/
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/09/18/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F2C0:9350:7C00:B0F1:9C95:859E:CB2E ( talk) 03:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
This recent publication, Assessing Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government, is a RS. This article should probably contain a summary of the book. Littleolive oil ( talk) 03:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I have restored the article to before the recent creation of an allegation section as per WP:STRUCTURE - WP:CSECTION. Any changes of this nature that may cause an unbalanced to a living persons page need to be dissuced and Bio rules respected such as WP:BLPBALANCE-- Moxy 🍁 02:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Moxy your change results in the sexual assault allegations being in the section "University and Early Career" - these allegations, to my knowledge, were not part of his university education, nor did he make a career out of it. Further, the known facts are plainly stated, and both sides of the issue are represented (both trudeau and the victim are quoted), which fully satisfies WP:BLPBALANCE. Please ensure WP:NPOV is followed. Wisefroggy ( talk) 03:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Littleolive oil it appears you are repeatedly attempting to whitewash/censor critical content in this article. You have:
using reasons such as "violates weight" "undue weight" "content is too long" (these are all YOUR words verbatim).
Example (and there are numerous):
In your edit Revision as of 00:06, September 16, 2019: You deleted the "Sexual Misconduct" section, deleted most of the material, and moved the remainder (1765 bytes) to a new section called "Other". In the same edit: you also put into your new section: a bunch of blather about the tattoo on his left arm (2170 bytes).
LET ME REPEAT: You claim "undue weight" about the sex assault (which made international headlines), but in the same edit, added MORE material about the tattoo on his left arm.
THE TATTOO ON HIS LEFT ARM.
After your edits, your newly-created section contained the following:
Undue weight indeed!
For others: here is the link to littleolive oil's work, if you'd like to see for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Justin_Trudeau&oldid=915953400#Other
For Littleolive oil Please review WP:NPOV. I quote: It is a serious violation of NPOV to use censorship and whitewashing to remove any non-neutral opinions, facts, biases, or sources.
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Removed several sentences from the article's final paragraph that were clearly derived from POV and had no citations or information to back up their claims.
First was Trudeau's lack of public service. Paul Dewar, MP for Ottawa Centre, was a teacher like Trudeau. Such a profession is generally considered public service, not to mention the fact that Trudeau has campaigned for several progressive NGOs and humanitarian causes. Countless MPs, like Maxime Bernier, had spent the majority of their professional careers working in the private sector, which also doesn't traditionally diminish the assertion that they are suited for public service.
Second, the paragraph claims that Pierre Trudeau, and Justin, entered public life merely to gain attention from the media and in the public forum. Trudeau was asked by the Pearson government, along with Jean Marchand and other significant contributors to Quebec's political dialogue, to join the Liberal party and seek a seat in the House of Commons. The statement made is a blatant attempt at discrediting both the father and the son without any evidence.
The vast majority of Liberal Party candidates are elected through nomination meetings with an extremely limited number of candidates appointed by the leader's office. The practice only became largely significant under the leadership of Paul Martin, depite the fact that the party's grassroots remained in charge of nominating almost every single Liberal candidate.
I removed the section altogether. It was completely unsourced and clearly doesn't follow Wikipedia policy. There's nothing to suggest Mr. Dion would block his nomination, or that there's some giant movement of resentment against Trudeau himself. If someone is going to post outrageous claims like that, they had better have sources for it. Sima Yi 01:49, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Sima. I wanted to do that, but didn't think I quite had the authority since I'm just editing from an IP and without an account.
Title says it all, I find the main photo in this article to be several times too big. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghyslyn ( talk • contribs) 20:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Justin Trudeau is not the MP for Papineau. At this moment he is the MP-elect. He is not the incumbent, he is not (yet) preceded by Vivian Barbot. This is an oversight, and should be corrected until he is sworn into office. BostonWinger ( talk) 19:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Didn't he go to University Hill school in the UEL in Vancouver? and/or a Vancouver high school? The bio passage only mentions he was raised in Montreal and went camping with his Dad, then plunges into where he got his degrees at..... Skookum1 ( talk) 13:06, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted this addition to the Controversy, which in my opinion is neither neutral nor notable. The characterization of the original remark as "infamous" is not neutral, and the assertion that this self-described twitter "frenzy" -- a non-neutral and frankly frivolous term imo -- is notable for our purposes as an encyclopedia is not backed up by multiple reliable sources. As a regular on twitter myself, such "controversies" are as 'frenzied' as they are short-lived; it's what twitter does. I'm not at all convinced this hand-written note and the brief notoriety it sparked on social media has any lasting notability, but of course I won't revert if someone restores this with the NPOV issues addressed, and more sourcing offered. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 02:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
There should be some mention of his boxing match with Patrick Brazeau. It goes to his character. 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 06:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC) http://www.torontosun.com/2012/03/31/trudeau-shows-grit 202.131.233.59 ( talk) 06:57, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
The charity boxing match got essentially zero coverage outside Canada. Really. There is no indication that any serious injuries occurred or were contemplated. The publicity was intended to raise money for a charity. It was truly not biographically important. And was not "unprecedented in the world of politics." Cheers.
The fact is that he was just elected leader of the Party, and very few people doubt he will be Prime Minister. What he said to Quebecers is the most important thing he has said in terms of history, and it is how the world will judge his politics. That's why it belongs in the lead; it's what people around the world want to know about Justin Trudeau--not as to his political viability, but as to a matter of fact. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:05, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
You're right, of course; the fact that he said that belongs in an article about the leadership acceptance speech given at the 2013 Liberal Party of Canada Leadership Convention, not in an article about Justin Trudeau. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:19, 15 April 2013 (UTC) And why bother leave the fact that "over 104,000 party members voted"? That fact would only have significance to someone knowledgeable about voting statistics among Canadian federal political parties. The significance is that he is more numerically and statistically significant than any other leader of a federal political party in Canada. Then again, such an assertion might not constitute a neutral point of view, especially considering the looming possibility of a coup d'etat in Quebec (sic). You've got to be kidding me with this mechanical-application-of-biased-interpretation-of-the-rules nonsense. As if most people glance at this article for some esoteric fact about when Justin Trudeau's birthday is. - Paul63243 ( talk) 00:29, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
It appears some things are getting added to sections where they don't really make sense and the page is becoming messy because of it. The controversy section now discusses his policies towards pipelines, despite it being a non-controversial issue. With regards to the paragraph in the controversy section, it says that he supports the Alberta government's policies more than other leadership candidates which doesn't make much sense. There's been a few things written with regards to Trudeau's comments regarding the Nexen deal and pipelines that say he was the only one in support among the leadership candidates, but there doesn't seem to be any proof to back this up. With regards to the Nexen deal he seemed to be the only candidate to come out 100% in favour of approving it, but not all of the other candidates were against it. On Martha Hall Findlay's website she said that she supports the deal in principle, but had some questions regarding it. I believe Marc Garneau's views were very much the same as her's, so they hardly oppose it. If people actually want to improve this page I think we should discuss a better way of organizing it. What sections are needed and what information should fit in those sections. Locking the page might be required for a while to get it up to date. Newfoundlander&Labradorian ( talk) 17:47, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
The article previously indicated that Justin Trudeau succeeded Bob Rae as leader of the party. Although Rae was interim leader, he was still the leader, no? Currently, the articles for both Bob Rae and Michael Ignatieff recognize that Rae was preceded by Ignatieff and succeeded by Trudeau. However, User:KBillie has twice now modified this article to read that Trudeau directly succeeded Ignatieff, which seems to be a very tenuous argument based on the fact that the party's constitution defines the details of the interim leader position separately from the details of the "permanent" leader position? I think common sense tells us that Trudeau succeeded Rae, but either way, I think the articles should be consistent one way or another (and right now, they are not). user:j (talk) 23:56, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
KBILLY: No. In response to, "Although Rae was "interim" leader, he was still "the" leader, no?" No. No, Bob Rae was never, ever, the "Leader" of the Liberal Party of Canada.
1. I cited the constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada in my edit. The section I named shows that "Interim Leader" and "Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada" are distinct offices.
2. There is no suggestion anywhere that Bob Rae was ever elected "Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada."
3. Since Bob Rae was never elected "Leader," it is impossible for Trudeau to succeed him as "Leader." The most recent "Leader" is Michael Ignatieff, so I would accept "Ignatieff" or "vacant."
4. Some mention has been made of the Dion article, that he succeeds Bill Graham. I submit that this is also an error, and Bill Graham was never elected to be Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada. If we can resolve this dispute correctly, then we should make subsequent amendments to other articles to correctly reflect the succession of LPC leaders.
5. As to the point "seems a little silly not to acknowlege that Rae was the leader," please note that Rae was not ever the leader. He did run for leader, twice. Once in 2006, and again in 2008, losing the first time and dropping out in favour of Michael Ignatieff the second time. He also flirted publicly with the notion of running for leader again in 2013, but did not run. It is material, therefore, and not silly, to note as a matter of history that Bob Rae was never the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, despite his best efforts.
6. I respectfully suggest that I have submitted the only authority on this subject, the Constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada. Whatever others may think, whether they like Rae, or whether their "common sense" says that he was Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada, or Pope of Rome, or winner of the Tour de France, it behooves you to cite some authority before repeatedly changing the succession edit, which I submit should read "Michael Ignatieff."
-KBillie — Preceding unsigned comment added by KBillie ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
I've taken the initiative of changing the "predecessor" section to read "Bob Rae (interim), then Michael Ignatieff," which I hope will close the matter. CJCurrie ( talk) 01:15, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
There's a lot more issues on this page that people should be more concerned about. :) Newfoundlander&Labradorian ( talk) 22:02, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
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* Agreed. Uninvolved editor here via the DR/N. The predecessor, according to five reliable sources with a quick search, was Rae (with some explanation, which is covered in this article.) ([in French] "d'abord remercié Bob Rae, qui a assuré l'intérim du parti depuis la démission de Michael Ignatieff en mai 2011.") This looks settled, closing the DR/N. EBY ( talk) 16:38, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
By KBillie: I have to continue to take issue. Krazytea - you ask why this is an issue here, where it has never been an issue with any other Interim Leader? No other Interim Leader (besides Ignatieff himself who was later elected Leader of the Liberal Party of Canada at a formal convention) ever presumed upon the title of Leader or aspired to it.
As for the DR/N, I wonder what "five reliable soureces" are more reliable than the Constitution of the Liberal Party of Canada, which clearly describes the Interim Leader as a seperate office. @EBY3321 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.14.197.151 ( talk) 23:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
The Justin Trudeau page has received a lot of vandalism recently (today's 6 July 2015). I hope someone is able to request some sort of protection on the page as was done to Stephen Harper's page, to prevent further vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CentreLeftRight ( talk • contribs) 05:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
NPOV Issues I have removed some phrasing in the article that didn't really conform to the NPOV standards. For one, some of the text [notably the "Canadians were impressed by his good looks and his eloquence, and immediately began to speculate that a career in politics might soon be ahead of him."] was perhaps more gushy than encyclopedic, and also wasn't strictly true [I doubt that many Albertans, for example, were too impressed by him]. -- 142.110.227.98 22:30, 21 December 2005 (UTC)--
couldn't be put any better, as a native albertan myself 124.87.233.177 14:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Should the profession of teacher be changed? Jokerbewild ( talk) 17:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Details his admission of pot use while a sitting MP, and his change from demanding mandatory minimums for pot offences to instead fighting for legalization (as opposed to decriminalization). 216.65.182.66 ( talk) 17:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
Liberal leader Justin Trudeau's stance on legalizing marijuana was first made public in Kelowna, B.C. on July 24th, 2013. Currently, the WP article states that his transition from advocating for decriminalization to full legalization of marijuana was following Colorado's experiences with legalization, which only can into effect in January 1st, 2014. Therefore Mr. Trudeau's stance in favour of legalizing marijuana predated Colorado's implementation of the legalization of marijuana. Additionally, Mr. Trudeau's use of marijuana while a MP is relevant to his legalization stance. These corrections will be made to the article, with strong sources from reputable Canadian news and media outlets. If there is a disagreement about the accuracy of these sources, please post your concerns to the talk section of the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk • contribs) 06:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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We've always added office-designate to individuals who party won the most seats in any provincial election. We should do the same here, particulary as CBC news as projected a Liberal Majority Gov't. GoodDay ( talk) 02:50, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
GoodDay, I was mostly aiming my comment to Miesianiacal haha Vaselineeeeeeee ( talk) 03:16, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Can we update the infobox, now? GoodDay ( talk) 04:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm not a registered user. Just noted the issues 6.1 and 6.3 about Political Positions on Abortion and Religion seem to have been edited to add moral recomendations for him at the end of the paragraphs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.125.32.53 ( talk) 05:43, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
I noticed that there wasn't any mention of next month's election. So I added it. It's an important part of his CV. YoursT ( talk) 16:47, 21 September 2015 (UTC)
See Yogi Berra and WP:NOTNEWS. We can wait for actual results at this point - and the article cited shows a substantial overlap in numbers of seats likely for the two major parties. Collect ( talk) 14:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Harper has already resigned, effective when Justin is ready. YoursT ( talk) 14:13, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Under the section on Canadian federal election, 2015, the article states:
"On October 19, 2015, after the longest official campaign in over a century, Trudeau led the Liberals to a decisive victory in the federal election. The Liberals won 184 of the 338 seats, with 54.4 percent of the popular vote, for a strong majority government"
Not quite. 184 out of 338 is 54.4% of the seats. The actual percentage of the popular vote was 39.47%, as per the Wikipedia article on the election.
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Please add Justin Trudeau's template to Justin Trudeau's Wikipedia page !!! 99.235.156.199 ( talk) 18:22, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Who added moronic to the article? I am not a registered user but someone needs to delete this. 130.126.159.201 ( talk) 04:48, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
See title. Hill Crest's WikiLaser! ( BOOM!) 22:44, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
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is incorrect. He took all of the seats in Toronto, Ontario (city proper). Thornhill and Markham-Unionville are ridings north of Toronto. 173.32.168.16 ( talk) 21:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Seeing as the departure date (November 4, 2015) has been inserted at Stephen Harper's infobox. Shall we insert November 4, 2015 as the assumption date in this infobox? GoodDay ( talk) 21:13, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
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Request removal of a reiteration of "the" in the following paragraph by changing this:
"He led his party to victory in the 2015 federal election, defeating Conservative Party Prime Minister Stephen Harper and leading the then third-placed Liberals from 36 seats to 184 seats in the House of Commons, the the largest-ever numerical increase by a party in a Canadian election."
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"He led his party to victory in the 2015 federal election, defeating Conservative Party Prime Minister Stephen Harper and leading the then third-placed Liberals from 36 seats to 184 seats in the House of Commons, the largest-ever numerical increase by a party in a Canadian election."
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Quote from the cbc.ca citation: +150 Increase in seats since 2011 election
. This is also independently verifiable by looking at the 2011 election results when the Liberals had 34 seats and the 2015 results where they have 184 seats. Yet the 150-seat gain keeps getting changed to 148 for some reason.
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The obama article does not mention his stances on a limited number of specific issues, but instead is more biographical. Likewise, this need not highlight just a few issues. Alternatively, it could be placed on a campaign page for the recent election or somewhere similar. Lihaas ( talk) 02:59, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
The Thomas Mulcair WP article includes a political views section. The Barack Obama and Stephen Harper articles do as well, although these are separated into domestic policy and foreign policy sections. Perhaps these subtitles would be more appropriate and consistent with other world leaders. this may be a better solution than removing 5000 characters worth of sourced content. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 03:49, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
He's PM now!
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The article is protected, so I can't fix it myself, but in the 'Religion' section, there is a reference to the Quebec charter of values, which goes as follows:
Trudeau, a Roman Catholic,[148] has expressed opposition towards the proposed Quebec Charter of Values, a controversial charter in that city and elsewhere that among other things prohibited public sector employees from wearing or displaying "conspicuous" religious symbols, justifying that it would make the people of Quebec "choose between their freedom of religion and freedom of expression, freedom of conscience and their economic well-being and their acceptance in the workplace. That for me is a real concern."[149] The Charter was dismissed after the Quebec Liberal Party won in the 2014 provincial election.
What city? I mean, Quebec city exists, but clearly that is not what is being referenced here. As the section seems to reference the Province, not any particular city. Also, I'm not disputing that it was controversial, having witnessed it myself in the media there. But the fact that it was controversial isn't even sourced here, as far as I can tell. Plenty of people were in favor of the charter, it's a biased way to present it. It barely gives a mention of the entirety of the charter : "....among other things..." as if the charter mainly about religious displays. It wasn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.224.182.5 ( talk) 03:04, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
I want to make sure there is an article for each cabinet member:
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I would want to change the photo into a more recent one Awesome7879 ( talk) 20:32, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Got a quote farm growing....anyone want to tackle this.... who's good at paraphrasing?-- Moxy ( talk) 11:13, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
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There are few sections on policy - it is early in the mandate - but the article reads like a hagiography. Trudeau promised to liberalize the laws on marijuana - what is not mentioned in this article is the fact that Canada is signatory to international treaties that prevents him from doing so. The article mentions the promised withdrawal from combat operations against ISIL, but fails to mention the backlash from NATO and the freezing out of Canada to international discussions. Are these being intentionally deleted, or have WP editors been negligent in adding them? 96.51.16.28 ( talk) 04:49, 22 January 2016 (UTC)
It would be useful to know what he did before he went into politics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.100.105 ( talk) 18:41, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
Can someone split up some of the run-on sentences in the Early Life section? I noticed two egregious ones:
I didn't copy the entire things because I didn't want to clutter the page. I'd fix it myself but I don't have an account. There's one more that I noticed, but it's much less jarring than the two I highlighted. I skimmed to the Advocacy heading and didn't see any others. 70.72.44.2 ( talk) 21:30, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Since this article is purely about Canada, the date format should be DMY, as in 23 December 2015. Granted there should be consistency so if all dates are in the MDY format, that makes sense. However, this is not the format for dates used in Canada. Peter K Burian 19:08, 23 December 2015 (UTC) /info/en/?search=User:Peter_K_Burian
OK, that's reasonable: consistency. I still feel that DMY is the better format for Canada, but I won't argue with Wikipedia on that. 174.95.157.129 ( talk) 00:43, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
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(English: Justin Peter James Waterhole) 75.156.151.32 ( talk) 21:41, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Under religion, this wiki page implies he's a lapsed Catholic. It doesn't include the end of the quote from the source it uses to deliberately mislead readers. It needs to be changed ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.144.38.122 ( talk) 22:21, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
User:Littleolive oil just adjusted the lead to change "is the current Prime Minister of Canada as well as the leader of the Liberal Party" to "is the Prime Minister of Canada and the leader of the Liberal Party". This edit was referred with the explanation "take it to the talk page - it's been like this for a very long time", or something to that effect. That is a pretty weak reason for restoring a longer, wordier version that says 'exactly the same thing' as the new, shorter version.
Let's parse this since someone thinks that a simple copyedit like this needs to be discussed on the talk page:
We're not getting paid by the word here, so adding extras words that don't add meaning does no-one any favours - certainly not the readers.
Let's restore this sensible edit. Ground Zero | t 02:37, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
I won't argue this further after this comment but Wikipedia content must be "current" now and in the future years. For that reason, we do not use terms which limit the meaning to now. Instead what we do is date, for example, Trudeau is the leader in 2016 or is the 23 Prime Minister. Wikipedia is not a newspaper.
A few days ago Trudeau held a press conference at Waterloo's Perimeter Institute for Theoretical Physics. A reporter planning to ask about Canada's mission against ISIS opened his question good-naturedly (given the setting) with "“I was going to ask you to explain quantum computing." But before he could get to his actual question Trudeau launched into an explanation of how quantum computing worked (namely packing more information into one qubit), and what it was good for (namely smaller computers).
His two answers instantly went viral. This is just one of the many hits Google returned today on this topic.
Is that sufficiently notable for the article?
(Trudeau was an English major who after a stint as a teacher in Vancouver went into engineering and from there to environmental geography. Not the sort of background that would have let him answer that question off-the-cuff without some coaching. Speculation is that he was coached earlier that day. Speaking as someone who was trained in quantum mechanics in the 1960's, who wrote a couple of papers on the logic of quantum behavior in the 1990's, and who has been keeping a close eye on QC since, my take on what Trudeau said was that his coaches if any weren't all that up on quantum computing themselves. One could pack a better answer than his to both questions in a single tweet. I had a shot at this myself this evening.) Vaughan Pratt ( talk) 02:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Sarah Coyne is missing from siblings list — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.114.105.237 ( talk) 22:59, 5 May 2016 (UTC)
"I don't read newspapers or listen to the news. I figure if its important for me to know, someone will just tell me."
"I have a lot of respect for people who don't think a lot about politics, terrorism."
"We shouldn't call honour killings "barbaric" it's an inflammatory word."
"Even if ISIS did a Paris style attack, we won't fight them back... we will help them."
Some of these informative quotes might be of relevance here.-- Omegaalephnull ( talk) 06:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
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I want to edit this please— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:e008:43:24a0:f8c7:3c8d:25e:3ada ( talk • contribs) 07:30, 11 May 2016
There seems to be some confusion concerning terminology in this section. Just to be clear, a majority of seats is not required for a political party in the current FPTP system to form government. A majority of seats is only required to form a Majority government. There is a large difference between forming government, and forming a majority government.
Also, PR is not used in the majority of democracies. It is used in only 35% of the world's nations. [1] [2] Adding the Weasel word mature does not make this statement true either, as how does one define mature?
Most importantly, in accordance with Wikipedia's Wikipedia:Neutral point of view policy, this content should be written with a disinterested tone. It must not be written as an opinion-based essay for or against electoral reform. Ontario Teacher BFA BEd ( talk) 21:17, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
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I think Justin Trudeau's approval rating and the public's opinion on him should be included. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.159.157.246 ( talk) 19:40, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
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The read date in the spoken wikipedia template is given as 2016-22-02. Obviously, what is meant is 2016-02-22. Please change. Thank you. nats-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/SWC/ 80.171.71.39 ( talk) 09:19, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
I have reverted the second, abbreviated, addition of the Saudi arms deal. Part of the reason for the revert is in my edit summary. I also think that the Saudi arms deal would be undue weight to add to this article. Dr. K. 17:12, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
In April 2016, Trudeau has defended the $15-billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia as "a matter of principle.does not make any sense to the reader since there is no prior mention of the Saudi arms deal anywhere in the article. So to mention the deal in a vacuum, without mentioning the details of the deal or the surrounding controversy about it, is confusing to the reader. But by the time we explain all this, it would be WP:UNDUE since this is a biographical article and not a Trudeau government policy article. Having said that, I realise fully that you are very likely not to agree with my rationale, so instead of going back and forth in vain, I would wait for other editors to chime in so as to gauge consensus on this matter. Dr. K. 19:18, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Marvel Comics. Please add this. -- 74.190.107.124 ( talk) 04:33, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
The part of the early life section talking about Trudeau's ancestors is ridiculously long and should either be shortened greatly or removed. -- Kuzwa ( talk) 03:22, 26 August 2016 (UTC)
Could someone please clarify his education? Did he do a degree in engineering? Did he complete his Master's in Environmental Geography? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 157.52.17.241 ( talk) 04:47, 21 May 2016 (UTC)
Should article make clear that his school was a fee-paying one and that he had a highly privileged education. May not be obvious to non-Canadian readers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.36.121 ( talk) 17:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
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The article says that Trudeau began a Master's a Geography in 2005 and that he dropped out after one year to pursue the liberal nomination for the Montreal riding of Papineau. I am a little confused by this, as he dropped out in 2006 and it wasn't until early 2007 that rumours began that he might seek the nomination. He won the nomination on April 30, 2007, which is when he would have graduated from his Master's program if he had stayed in school. Nathalie Des Rosier ran for the provincial Liberal nomination, in 2016, in Ottawa Vanier, and won the riding in a by-election while she was the Dean of the Univesity of Ottawa's Faculty of Law. Considering this, it seems unlikely that Trudeau dropped out one year before the nomination vote, he could easily have completed his degree and ran for the nomination. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.122.64.20 ( talk) 02:10, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
This relationship is listed twice, once in Ancestry and birth, then again in Personal life. Surely this genealogical ephemera isn't that important that it merits duplication. I would further suggest that when we are talking about this many generations, the precise number becomes unimportant, and he can simply be described as a "descendant" of Farquhar rather than using the awkward "great-great-great-great-great-grandson" or "5th-great-grandson" formulations. 50.37.121.232 ( talk) 19:05, 20 November 2016 (UTC)
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I think we should add a list of books on Trudeau. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.149.36.178 ( talk) 17:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)
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From: Justin Pierre James Trudeau PC MP (born December 25, 1971) is a Canadian politician.
To: Justin Pierre James Trudeau PC MP (born December 25, 1971) is a Canadian politician and the current Canadian Prime Minister. Kteckca ( talk) 10:23, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
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Add under siblings Step sister Sarah Coyne.Cite error: A <ref>
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When despised politicians get images which cast them in the most positive light possible, I think that Justin Trudeau deserves a better image the current one. Many Canadians admire him and hold hope that he might be the man that his father was, and rival the government currently in power. The current image displays him with an odd expression. Let's find an image that shows him a better light (like that of any other popular political figure on Wikipedia.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neurolanis ( talk • contribs) 16:48, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
The image isn't terrible, but it is out of date. Trudeau has been keeping his hair shorter lately. And the Liberals have an official portrait that is available to use: http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/official-graphics/ https://www.liberal.ca/files/2014/04/justintrudeau-official-1.png Matsnowie ( talk) 16:23, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
PHOTO UPDATE :
I agree with the other posters here, the picture seems unofficial and definitely outdated. If I gave a link to a more recent picture of Trudeau actually looking into the camera and a bit more professional looking could it then be changed? as long as its a free image? I'm not sure if this is an acceptable photo or if its free but just an example.
Such as perhaps - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/images/news/201510/n_90144_1.jpg
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Doesn't make much sense, the Liberal Party has made official head shots of him for use, 95% of all world leaders have professional looking photos on their wiki page, Trudeau's is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.224.154 ( talk) 06:19, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
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http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-promise-betrayal-1.3962386
Justin Trudeau has abandoned electoral reform. This should be added under the electoral reform section. 68.147.36.106 ( talk) 10:03, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
On a recent BLM Toroto protest BLM Toronto accused Justin Trudeau of being a 'white supremacist terrorist' - Is he? (i'm not canadian i do not know) Y 109.193.127.77 ( talk) 22:32, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
French and English ancestors would be more logical. Why "French Canadian" and not "English Canadian"? Ibn Gabirol ( talk) 14:38, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
This article is very chatty, very informal. Information presented includes that he took a school bus and his mother wanted him to go to a particular school.
Worldwide, in many countries, it is reported that .....fellow student Matthew Perry, who was later to become a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.
To me it fits but maybe it could be worded so as to make Trudeau look good. Actually, it does because Perry is ashamed of the fight, according to many reliable sources. I can see how some might not want it because they may feel it makes Trudeau look weak and impotent. Vanguard10 ( talk) 03:59, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
Nowhere in the two sources there is a definitive statement thatThere, fellow student Matthew Perry, who was later to become a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.<ref>http://people.com/politics/matthew-perry-beat-up-classmate-justin-trudeau/</ref></ref>http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39294699</ref>
Both sources are careful to mention that these are Mathew Perry's claims and do not assert that the beating actually happened. If we add in the article that Perry claims that he and another boy beat Trudeau, it would be WP:UNDUEWEIGHT for this biography, because we cannot add gossip from people claiming things about Trudeau. This is not Perry's biography and Perry's claims about Trudeau don't belong here. Dr. K. 04:43, 18 March 2017 (UTC)...a famous actor, beat up Trudeau in a fight.
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Trudeau is essentially Franco-Scottish and this fact should be reflected in the order of the stubs section. Instead his French and Scottish heritage is listed in a subordinate fashion giving precedence to whatever English he has in his DNA. As for the Anglo-Irish, this term is just a synonym for 'English' ergo it duplicates another stub; it might also imply an Irish connection which does not exist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.167.50 ( talk) 17:54, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
He's a frat boy — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.43.5 ( talk) 23:45, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
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There is a sentence fragment in the first paragraph of this article.
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Trudeau is the youngest Canadian Prime Minister after Joe Clark. He is the eldest son of Pierre Trudeau, and the first to be related to a previous holder of the post.[3][4] Brynbecker ( talk) 00:16, 19 October 2017 (UTC)
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I noticed there is https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Justin_Trudeau_in_1972 but no category for 1971, does this mean there are no photos of him from December 25-31? None showing him during the first week of life?
All three appear to be from the April 14 visit with Pat Nixon. So there are none from January to March of 72? The earliest we have is 111 days old ? ScratchMarshall ( talk) 20:04, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz: re special:diff/826932331 where you removed the following sources:
A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father was also shared widely on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The Canadian government denied the reports this week.
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I did not find "a" source. I added TWO. I didn't add more because that would be bloat. While the 2016 reporting by The Sun on this wouldn't pass notability standards, Time reporting "The Canadian government denied the reports" in 2018 is grounds for us to consider it. Time refers to "reports" (plurally) and affirms government reaction to the rumor. This shows it has gone beyond mere ignorable tabloids, and is a prominent enough rumor that the Canadian government itself reacted to quash it. Governments only intervene to quash NOTABLE conspiracy theories. You don't see the Canadian government intervening to say "Justin Trudeau is not a reptilian" or similar.
Here are other sources which have reported on it:
A story claiming that Fidel Castro was the father of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is not true. The Canadian government denied it, Cuba has never claimed it and Trudeau's parents never visited Cuba until several years after Justin Trudeau was born. The Feb. 1 suicide of Castro's oldest son, Fidelito, spurred the most recent report on several sites, claiming that Fidelito left a suicide note referring to Justin Trudeau as his half-brother. A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father was also shared widely on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The Canadian government denied the reports this week.
The Canadian government has denied multiple claims that Fidel Castro was the father of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. The Canadian government denied the report this week, the Associated Press reported. The Associated Press published the report as part on ongoing effort to fact-check misinformation that is shared widely online. A theory that Castro was Trudeau's father has widely been shared on social media after Castro's death in 2016, when Trudeau caused an uproar over remarks praising the late Cuban leader. The theory once again spurred the internet after Castro's eldest son Fidel "Fidelito" Ángel Castro Díaz-Balart, killed himself earlier this month. According to various reports, Fidelito left a suicide note behind where he addressed the 46-year-old Prime Minister as his 'half-brother'.
If you ever needed any more evidence that the internet has melted our brains and there is no return from this current hell world, the Associated Press—THE ASSOCIATED PRESS!!!—took it upon themselves to write a goddamn debunker entitled "No, Fidel Castro is not Canada PM Trudeau's father" around this conspiracy. Thanks AP!
I don't think it's possible for anyone to deny how this has persisted for years and received international news coverage. It belongs as a footnote in the Castro section. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 20:52, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
@ Jeppiz: yes, it's ridiculous, but a lot of ridiculous things are still noteworthy because of worldwide mainstream coverage over a period of years, Reptilians for example. Please list the reliable sources you're referring to about the nonexistent Queen, I've never heard of that before. The reason it's relevant to point this out is because the Canadian government actually released an official statement on the matter and top newspapers around the globe covered that reaction.
@ Moxy: I don't agree with you that the preexisting section should be removed. You are engaged in fortune-telling about what will or will not be considered notable in a decade. Your WP:OR doesn't belong. We had mainstream coverage in 2016 regarding the world's reaction to Justin's behavior toward Castro. I suppose it is useful to duplicate these in case someone continues to blank sources...
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help)@ Dr.K.: what matters here is not whether or not the conspiracy is credible/ridiculous but whether or not it is notable. Wikipedia does not include credible conspiracy theories which are not notable, but it does include non-credible notable ones. Censorship is a behavior, it doesn't speak to the motive of the censurer. The verb simply means "to remove objectionable content". Jeppiz removed the content while objecting to it in the edit summary, thus censorship. I am not accusing him of censorship for "disagreeing" because he did more than disagree, he censored the sources by removing them from the page. I do not know Jeppiz' motives and am only going by the edit summary.
I don't see any of you discussing actual policy here. I've provided widespread sourcing showing major worldwide coverage over years. You appear to be ignoring this because... why? Wikipedia does not censor conspiracy theories for fear of giving them a platform, it reports on notable ones and the non-credible ones evaporate under the spotlight. This is definitely notable, how many more sources would you need than the seven (Sun/Time/NPost/NYT/DMail/JPost/Vice) already supplied? Or is your stance to deny discussing material no matter how much government/media response occurs?
Can you suggest a better place for content like this which should be covered on Wikipedia? Perhaps a Canadian version of Category:Public_image_of_American_politicians for Prime Ministers? I'd be fine if you wanted to export to a public image of Justin Trudeau fork. ScratchMarshall ( talk) 04:32, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Article makes it seem as if Justin Trudeau implied someone was "guilty of sin" for disagreeing with him.
The citation within the cited article is of a 1995 book by Tomas Sowell, nothing to do with Mr. Trudeau.
Liberal arrogance out of control - Toronto Sun
Sowell writes. “Those who accept this vision are deemed to be not merely factually correct, but morally on a different plane. Put differently, those who disagree with the prevailing vision are seen as not merely in error, but in sin.”" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1970:59A4:6100:8865:8DD7:591E:9B2F ( talk) 19:45, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
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Remove "Trudeau also has remote ethnic Malaccan ancestry" because it is not established. The referenced book is an opinion piece whereas the referenced article contradicts the statement itself. 108.161.21.120 ( talk) 22:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
The reference to his charity boxing match against another politician says that the result was an "upset." That sounds silly, since neither "combatant" was a boxer at all. It should be removed. AlexanderSoul ( talk) 19:05, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Response - The source states that the odds were a 3 to 1 against Trudeau since his opponent was trained in martial arts and served as a reservist. Taishonambu ( talk) 23:14, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Justin is in Category:Canadian people of Portuguese descent and Category:Canadian people of Dutch descent, but neither of his parents are and there is no evidence for these ancestries in the text AFAICT. Anyone care to elaborate on this? platypeanArchcow ( talk) 20:39, 5 June 2018 (UTC)
he have little has an indo touch maybe it's 5 generations /info/en/?search=Indo_people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.194.37.114 ( talk) 07:41, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Prime Minister Trudeau’s maternal five times great-grandmother, Antoinette Clement, was the daughter of a French father and an ethnic Malaysian mother, making Prime Minister Trudeau of 1/256th Malaysian descent. Another of Prime Minister Trudeau’s maternal five times great-grandmothers, Anna Francina Carels/Karels, was the daughter of a Dutch father and an ethnic Indonesian mother, making Prime Minister Trudeau of 1/256th Indonesian descent. As such, Prime Minister Trudeau is the first Prime Minister of Canada with documented non-European ancestry.This was discussed on CBC's Who Do You Think You Are? Show Taishonambu ( talk) 23:18, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
Why is there nothing about the recent SNC Lavalin affair? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.55.62 ( talk) 01:33, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
File:PM Justin Trudeau colour.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macropedia ( talk • contribs) 10:13, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
"Disgraced' Justin Trudeau asked to Resign over Obstruction of justice" Let me guess, you do not want to improve the article by mentioning anything about that? Presario2200 ( talk) 2:10 pm, 9 March 2019, last Saturday (2 days ago) (UTC+9)
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".the best I can do does not do the place much justice in the way of beauty." Tom Thomson, letter to Dr. James MacCallum, Oct. 6, 1914, from Canoe Lake Station
(MacCallum Papers, National Gallery of Canada Archives)
Tom Thomson's landscape paintings in oil created an enduring image of the Ontario North. His art both reflected and reinforced developing Canadian nationalism. Although he was associated with the Group of Seven, he was not a member. His early death helped make him an iconic figure.
Thomson may have attended evening art classes at the Central Ontario School of Art and Design, Toronto, and studied with William Cruikshank in 1905. He acquired the strong design skills evident in his art (Northern River, 1914-1915), in the Toronto commercial art world. Thomson joined Grip Limited, Engravers, in 1909, and Rous and Mann Press Limited in 1912. Thomson met members of the future Group of Seven there, and at the Arts and Letters Club in Toronto. He shared studios with A.Y. Jackson and Franklin Carmichael at the Studio Building. Thomson's work reflects his exposure to Arts and Crafts design, the work of his artist friends, and contemporary Scandinavian art, as seen by Group of Seven members Lawren Harris and J.E.H. MacDonald in a Buffalo exhibition of 1913.
After a brief business career in Seattle, Thomson became a Toronto commercial artist in 1905. He began painting in 1911, and (with the support of Dr. James MacCallum) became a full-time artist in 1913. Thomson first visited Algonquin Park in 1911, and worked there as a wilderness guide. He sketched mostly in the spring or summer, wintering in Toronto where he worked his sketches up into larger canvases. By late 1915, Thomson's approach to landscape painting was more imagination-based. He often sought some natural feature corresponding to his pre-existing ideas, or painted landscapes in his Toronto studio from memory. Thomson's design experience permeates his late canvases, which feature stylized tree branches and flat areas of strong colour (The Jack Pine, 1916-1917). The National Gallery of Canada owns many of Thomson's sketches, as well as the larger paintings he made from them (The Opening of the Rivers: Sketch for 'Spring Ice', 1915; Spring Ice, winter 1915-16). Thomson drowned in Canoe Lake in 1917.
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1939 Member, Ontario Society of Artists
"It is best to avoid time-dependent statements,..." MOS:BIO in reference to reversions in the lead. Littleolive oil ( talk) 00:58, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
The allegations of sexual misconduct against trudeau should be in its own section. It was previously in the section "University and early career", but sexual misconduct, as far as I know, was not part of his university education, nor did he make a career of it. User:Somedifferentstuff please ensure this stays in its own section. Wisefroggy ( talk) 13:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
User:Somedifferentstuff two of your edits were reverted: those edits replaced sourced material with material not in the sources. In particular: his partial years in engineering and masters, the sources use the words "dropped out"; they do not use the word "left. It is important that all material is sourced. 2nd: the reverted edit used the word "completed one year", but I cannot find that in any of the references. "Completed" is not the same as attended or enrolled - I can enroll in a math course, but if I fail the exam, I obviously did not "complete" it. Similarly, university transcripts say something like "Year 1 Completed" ONLY after all the required year 1 courses have been passed. If you find a reference saying he actually completed the year, please add it.
It is important that all of us retain a WP:NPOV; if you disagree with any edits, please say so here and let's talk. Thanks! Wisefroggy ( talk) 03:50, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
User:Somedifferentstuff "dropped out" does NOT mean "didn't graduate" (example: one "didn't graduate" because they could've been expelled, or failed out, or died, or whatever... and none of these mean "dropped out"). It is important that all of us retain a WP:NPOV; if you disagree with any edits, please say so here and let's talk. Thanks! Wisefroggy ( talk) 14:05, 16 August 2019 (UTC)
Can someone add this?
https://nationalpost.com/news/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001-1.4599850
https://globalnews.ca/news/5921332/justin-trudeau-brownface-photo/
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/09/18/yearbook-photo-surfaces-of-trudeau-wearing-brownface-costume-in-2001.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:F2C0:9350:7C00:B0F1:9C95:859E:CB2E ( talk) 03:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
This recent publication, Assessing Justin Trudeau’s Liberal Government, is a RS. This article should probably contain a summary of the book. Littleolive oil ( talk) 03:53, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I have restored the article to before the recent creation of an allegation section as per WP:STRUCTURE - WP:CSECTION. Any changes of this nature that may cause an unbalanced to a living persons page need to be dissuced and Bio rules respected such as WP:BLPBALANCE-- Moxy 🍁 02:29, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Moxy your change results in the sexual assault allegations being in the section "University and Early Career" - these allegations, to my knowledge, were not part of his university education, nor did he make a career out of it. Further, the known facts are plainly stated, and both sides of the issue are represented (both trudeau and the victim are quoted), which fully satisfies WP:BLPBALANCE. Please ensure WP:NPOV is followed. Wisefroggy ( talk) 03:07, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Littleolive oil it appears you are repeatedly attempting to whitewash/censor critical content in this article. You have:
using reasons such as "violates weight" "undue weight" "content is too long" (these are all YOUR words verbatim).
Example (and there are numerous):
In your edit Revision as of 00:06, September 16, 2019: You deleted the "Sexual Misconduct" section, deleted most of the material, and moved the remainder (1765 bytes) to a new section called "Other". In the same edit: you also put into your new section: a bunch of blather about the tattoo on his left arm (2170 bytes).
LET ME REPEAT: You claim "undue weight" about the sex assault (which made international headlines), but in the same edit, added MORE material about the tattoo on his left arm.
THE TATTOO ON HIS LEFT ARM.
After your edits, your newly-created section contained the following:
Undue weight indeed!
For others: here is the link to littleolive oil's work, if you'd like to see for yourself: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Justin_Trudeau&oldid=915953400#Other
For Littleolive oil Please review WP:NPOV. I quote: It is a serious violation of NPOV to use censorship and whitewashing to remove any non-neutral opinions, facts, biases, or sources.