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Regarding Category:Rivers of Syria - strictly speaking, the Jordan River is not a river of Syria, as no part of it passes through Syria. It is relevant to the geography of Syria, though, since the international border of Syria with Palestine/Israel (since 1923) is 50m East of the river at parts, and the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel from 1948 to 1967 included parts of the river. If there is no objection, I will revert back to Category:Geography of Syria.-- Doron 22:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As the Yarmouk river is a major tributary to this river and the banias river comes from Golan Heights who the united nations and most of the world agree that it is a syrian occupied territory, I believe the latest revision by me is the most accurate. I would like to thank you Doron for the good modifications earlier. I say do not revert. 129.130.15.91 01:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
In the English language, this river is known as 'the River Jordan', and the article name should reflect that. Why is it called Jordan River instead? — Nicholas ( reply) @ 22:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
@ Nickshanks and LissanX: Nickshanks is right, LissanX is wrong: 'River X' is the BE standard, not any "Judeo-Christian jargon" (see River Thames, River Bourne, River Avon, etc). We might decide to lead a discussion on whether BE or AE should have priority, but based on facts, not on individual sympathy or antypathy toward this or that "jargon". Stay healthy, Arminden ( talk) 16:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
I stumbled across this page while prepping to write Jordan River Dam, which is in Jordan River, British Columbia, which other than being named for it has little to do with the river in the Holy Land (unless there's surfing in Galilee). But after a quick browse of the page I gotta wonder if there shouldn't be a section on pop culture, or at least a mention of the more famous spirituals, e.g. Michael Row Your Boat Ashore, We shall gather at the river and so on......I think you'll find the equivalents on Missouri River and Mississippi River, maybe the Rhine. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The river referred to in the song 'Old Man River' is not the Jordan, but the Mississippi, as that's where the action takes place. Vibeshifter ( talk) 00:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Substitute the song 'Without A Song' for 'Old Man River' as the Vincent Youman's tune references the Jordan river. Vibeshifter ( talk) 00:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The Jordan River flows in the Jordan River Valley. The Great Rift Valley is in East Africa. Moreover, most geologists consider the geologic feature which runs through the Jordan River Valley to be a transform fault, not a rift or ridge. And they do not refer to it as the "Jordan" fault or rift, but the Dead Sea Transform (DST) or Rift. It has some extensional features, but in general, it manifests left lateral motion between the African Plate and the Arabian Plate. Tmangray ( talk) 00:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Just saying. It's because of political reasons incorrect to not mention Palestine on the map. And there is no source of the map even. You could assume that on some Israeli maps Palestine could be ignored but that should explicitly be said somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.104.158 ( talk) 14:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Describing the course the river takes:
I addressed this and changed references from "West Bank" (per the U.N., a part of Palestine) and "Golan" (per the U.N. and all States bar Israel, part of Syria) and was told it was not neutral. The river winds its way along the internationally recognised territories (occupied or not) of all these States. It is not neutral to refuse to use the names of some of them. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
I should like to note that in the summary box at top right of the article there is a reference to a "State of Palestine", which links to a description about a "de jure State of Palestine". This is inaccurate and tendentious. There is a de jure Palestinian Authority and I highly recommend that this description and linked paragraph are amended accordingly. Dori1951 ( talk) 12:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
It seems a little odd that the Hebrew names are consistently listed before the Arabic names for a river named after an Arab country. In fact, they were originally listed that way but seem to have been arbitrarily swapped in February 2006. What gives? Skadowski ( talk) 13:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Danno uk : Why have you deleted the {citation needed| tags. The Diff page
your reason:"Reverted 2 edits by Ykantor (talk): Rather than removing citations and then repeatedly claiming "this is a mistake", it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your."
According to this logic, every {citation needed tag} should be removed immediately, since "it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your." ? So, what for Wikipedia is using this tag?
Will you please un-delete the tags? Ykantor ( talk) 19:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
BTW no citations were removed. What is the source for your claim? Ykantor ( talk) 05:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Given the slow edit war going on between DanielaAlonso2 ( talk · contribs) and Icewhiz ( talk · contribs)/a number of IP accounts it is probably a good idea to discuss what order the river names should be in here. For reference I note that Britannica uses Arabic than Hebrew. -- Erp ( talk) 02:47, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I guess we may be back to discussing order. I'll first note that Hebrew probably predates Aramaic in the area of the Jordan river (admittedly as closely related languages both descended from a common ancestor neither is older than the other). Arabic and Hebrew are the major languages spoken in the adjacent lands now so are the only real contenders for the first and second spots after the English name. -- Erp ( talk) 04:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
ALL the listed tributaries have their own WP articles, with plenty of details & sources! Arminden ( talk) 18:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
As per MOS:JARGON, and in the interest of the geographic importance of this article, could someone with edit rights on this page please add the parenthetic explanations `(downward slope)` after the technical geographic term `declivity`. Artemgy ( talk) 09:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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The Jordan River has an upper course from its sources to the Sea of Galilee, and a lower course south of the Sea of Galilee down to the Dead Sea. In traditional terminology, the upper course (or most of it) is commonly referred to as passing through the " Hula Valley", as opposed to "Upper Jordan Valley"; the Sea of Galilee through which the river passes is a separate entity; and the term Jordan Valley is reserved for the lower course, fed by the Yarmouk and Zarqa Rivers.
Over its upper course (fed by the Hasbani River, Banias River, Dan River, and the Iyyon Stream), the river drops rapidly in a 75-kilometre (47 mi) run to the once large and swampy Lake Hula, which is slightly above sea level. Exiting the now much-diminished lake, it goes through an even steeper drop over the 25 kilometres (16 mi) down to the Sea of Galilee, which it enters at its northern end. The Jordan deposits much of the silt it is carrying within the lake, which it leaves again near its southern tip.
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The Jordan River has an upper course from its sources to the Sea of Galilee, and a lower course south of the Sea of Galilee down to the Dead Sea. In traditional terminology, the upper course (or most of it) is commonly referred to as passing through the " Hula Valley", as opposed to "Upper Jordan Valley"; the Sea of Galilee through which the river passes is a separate entity; and the term Jordan Valley is reserved for the lower course, fed by the Yarmouk and Zarqa Rivers.
Over its upper course (fed by the Hasbani River, Banias River, Dan River, and the Iyyon Stream), the river drops rapidly in a 75-kilometre (47 mi) run to the once large and swampy Lake Hula, which is slightly above sea level. Exiting the now much-diminished lake, it goes through an even steeper drop over the 25 kilometres (16 mi) down to the Sea of Galilee, which it enters at its northern end. The Jordan deposits much of the silt it is carrying within the lake, which it leaves again near its southern tip at Degania Dam.
(The change is at the very end,similar request for article
Sea of Galilee, thx)
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The gross mistake from the Wiki Commons file has no place on an edited page. If anyone feels an urge to fight the obvious, please do go to the Wiki Commons talk-page. I have first made the correction on 1st May 2019, but in Sep. an anonymous editor mistook the "workig title" of the Wiki Commons file with a quotable "source" and reintroduced the double mistake - "Jordanian Christians". A) They're Russian, 100%. B) There were no "Jordanians" in 1913, just Ottoman Christian subjects from Southern Syria. Nobody identified them, nor did they self-identify, as Jordanians; not even as Transjordanians. Read up. Arminden ( talk) 15:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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There is no country called Palestine. You state that the Jordan River borders the countries of Israel, Jordan, Syria and " Palestine". 70.27.248.208 ( talk) 15:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Could you split this sentence?
The river holds major significance in Judaism and Christianity since the Bible says that the Israelites crossed it into the Promised Land and that Jesus of Nazareth was baptized by John the Baptist in it.
Maybe it could become
The river holds major significance in Judaism and Christianity. According to the Bible, the Israelites crossed it into the Promised Land, and Jesus of Nazareth was baptized by John the Baptist in it.
It would just be a little less complex if the sentence were split in two, and replacing "The Bible says that...and that..." with a single source claim ("According to the Bible") means that you don't have to remember how the "and that" statement refers back to the Bible bit. 64.203.186.112 ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Since I cannot edit the page myself, I bring to your attention a piece of information that should/could be added in the section about the religious meaning.
According to the
Eastern Orthodox Church, on the day of the
Baptism of Jesus
Epiphany, only in presence of the
Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, a supposed miracle happens in the waters of the river, which reverses its flow.
A source is at this link.-- Mickey ( talk) 19:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I recently created Meshushim River. It falls into the Sea of Galilee. In he-wiki it is categorized as a tributary of the Jordan River. What is en-wiki's take on this? Loew Galitz ( talk) 02:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Citation 1 (1] Klein, Ernest, A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English, The University of Haifa, Carta, Jerusalem, p. 264) brought to show the etymology of the Hebrew name ירדן to mean "to descend", does not mention the name of the river. Request for alternative source, or to scrap the given meaning entirely GabeMelvin ( talk) 12:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Dovidroth: Why have you removed mention of the Golan Heights occupation and kept it for the West Bank? And why have you removed mention of the occupier, Israel? Your edits go against RS phrasing which use unequivocally "Israeli-occupied Golan Heights". [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding Category:Rivers of Syria - strictly speaking, the Jordan River is not a river of Syria, as no part of it passes through Syria. It is relevant to the geography of Syria, though, since the international border of Syria with Palestine/Israel (since 1923) is 50m East of the river at parts, and the demilitarized zone between Syria and Israel from 1948 to 1967 included parts of the river. If there is no objection, I will revert back to Category:Geography of Syria.-- Doron 22:29, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As the Yarmouk river is a major tributary to this river and the banias river comes from Golan Heights who the united nations and most of the world agree that it is a syrian occupied territory, I believe the latest revision by me is the most accurate. I would like to thank you Doron for the good modifications earlier. I say do not revert. 129.130.15.91 01:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
In the English language, this river is known as 'the River Jordan', and the article name should reflect that. Why is it called Jordan River instead? — Nicholas ( reply) @ 22:53, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
@ Nickshanks and LissanX: Nickshanks is right, LissanX is wrong: 'River X' is the BE standard, not any "Judeo-Christian jargon" (see River Thames, River Bourne, River Avon, etc). We might decide to lead a discussion on whether BE or AE should have priority, but based on facts, not on individual sympathy or antypathy toward this or that "jargon". Stay healthy, Arminden ( talk) 16:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
I stumbled across this page while prepping to write Jordan River Dam, which is in Jordan River, British Columbia, which other than being named for it has little to do with the river in the Holy Land (unless there's surfing in Galilee). But after a quick browse of the page I gotta wonder if there shouldn't be a section on pop culture, or at least a mention of the more famous spirituals, e.g. Michael Row Your Boat Ashore, We shall gather at the river and so on......I think you'll find the equivalents on Missouri River and Mississippi River, maybe the Rhine. Skookum1 ( talk) 14:07, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
The river referred to in the song 'Old Man River' is not the Jordan, but the Mississippi, as that's where the action takes place. Vibeshifter ( talk) 00:45, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Substitute the song 'Without A Song' for 'Old Man River' as the Vincent Youman's tune references the Jordan river. Vibeshifter ( talk) 00:50, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
The Jordan River flows in the Jordan River Valley. The Great Rift Valley is in East Africa. Moreover, most geologists consider the geologic feature which runs through the Jordan River Valley to be a transform fault, not a rift or ridge. And they do not refer to it as the "Jordan" fault or rift, but the Dead Sea Transform (DST) or Rift. It has some extensional features, but in general, it manifests left lateral motion between the African Plate and the Arabian Plate. Tmangray ( talk) 00:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Just saying. It's because of political reasons incorrect to not mention Palestine on the map. And there is no source of the map even. You could assume that on some Israeli maps Palestine could be ignored but that should explicitly be said somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.239.104.158 ( talk) 14:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
Describing the course the river takes:
I addressed this and changed references from "West Bank" (per the U.N., a part of Palestine) and "Golan" (per the U.N. and all States bar Israel, part of Syria) and was told it was not neutral. The river winds its way along the internationally recognised territories (occupied or not) of all these States. It is not neutral to refuse to use the names of some of them. Frenchmalawi ( talk) 00:54, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
I should like to note that in the summary box at top right of the article there is a reference to a "State of Palestine", which links to a description about a "de jure State of Palestine". This is inaccurate and tendentious. There is a de jure Palestinian Authority and I highly recommend that this description and linked paragraph are amended accordingly. Dori1951 ( talk) 12:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
It seems a little odd that the Hebrew names are consistently listed before the Arabic names for a river named after an Arab country. In fact, they were originally listed that way but seem to have been arbitrarily swapped in February 2006. What gives? Skadowski ( talk) 13:35, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Danno uk : Why have you deleted the {citation needed| tags. The Diff page
your reason:"Reverted 2 edits by Ykantor (talk): Rather than removing citations and then repeatedly claiming "this is a mistake", it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your."
According to this logic, every {citation needed tag} should be removed immediately, since "it would be better to correct the "mistakes" with supporting references of your." ? So, what for Wikipedia is using this tag?
Will you please un-delete the tags? Ykantor ( talk) 19:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
BTW no citations were removed. What is the source for your claim? Ykantor ( talk) 05:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
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Given the slow edit war going on between DanielaAlonso2 ( talk · contribs) and Icewhiz ( talk · contribs)/a number of IP accounts it is probably a good idea to discuss what order the river names should be in here. For reference I note that Britannica uses Arabic than Hebrew. -- Erp ( talk) 02:47, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
I guess we may be back to discussing order. I'll first note that Hebrew probably predates Aramaic in the area of the Jordan river (admittedly as closely related languages both descended from a common ancestor neither is older than the other). Arabic and Hebrew are the major languages spoken in the adjacent lands now so are the only real contenders for the first and second spots after the English name. -- Erp ( talk) 04:58, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
ALL the listed tributaries have their own WP articles, with plenty of details & sources! Arminden ( talk) 18:36, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
As per MOS:JARGON, and in the interest of the geographic importance of this article, could someone with edit rights on this page please add the parenthetic explanations `(downward slope)` after the technical geographic term `declivity`. Artemgy ( talk) 09:14, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
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The Jordan River has an upper course from its sources to the Sea of Galilee, and a lower course south of the Sea of Galilee down to the Dead Sea. In traditional terminology, the upper course (or most of it) is commonly referred to as passing through the " Hula Valley", as opposed to "Upper Jordan Valley"; the Sea of Galilee through which the river passes is a separate entity; and the term Jordan Valley is reserved for the lower course, fed by the Yarmouk and Zarqa Rivers.
Over its upper course (fed by the Hasbani River, Banias River, Dan River, and the Iyyon Stream), the river drops rapidly in a 75-kilometre (47 mi) run to the once large and swampy Lake Hula, which is slightly above sea level. Exiting the now much-diminished lake, it goes through an even steeper drop over the 25 kilometres (16 mi) down to the Sea of Galilee, which it enters at its northern end. The Jordan deposits much of the silt it is carrying within the lake, which it leaves again near its southern tip.
into
The Jordan River has an upper course from its sources to the Sea of Galilee, and a lower course south of the Sea of Galilee down to the Dead Sea. In traditional terminology, the upper course (or most of it) is commonly referred to as passing through the " Hula Valley", as opposed to "Upper Jordan Valley"; the Sea of Galilee through which the river passes is a separate entity; and the term Jordan Valley is reserved for the lower course, fed by the Yarmouk and Zarqa Rivers.
Over its upper course (fed by the Hasbani River, Banias River, Dan River, and the Iyyon Stream), the river drops rapidly in a 75-kilometre (47 mi) run to the once large and swampy Lake Hula, which is slightly above sea level. Exiting the now much-diminished lake, it goes through an even steeper drop over the 25 kilometres (16 mi) down to the Sea of Galilee, which it enters at its northern end. The Jordan deposits much of the silt it is carrying within the lake, which it leaves again near its southern tip at Degania Dam.
(The change is at the very end,similar request for article
Sea of Galilee, thx)
Mws.richter ⇔
bla, бла... 07:45, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
The gross mistake from the Wiki Commons file has no place on an edited page. If anyone feels an urge to fight the obvious, please do go to the Wiki Commons talk-page. I have first made the correction on 1st May 2019, but in Sep. an anonymous editor mistook the "workig title" of the Wiki Commons file with a quotable "source" and reintroduced the double mistake - "Jordanian Christians". A) They're Russian, 100%. B) There were no "Jordanians" in 1913, just Ottoman Christian subjects from Southern Syria. Nobody identified them, nor did they self-identify, as Jordanians; not even as Transjordanians. Read up. Arminden ( talk) 15:58, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
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There is no country called Palestine. You state that the Jordan River borders the countries of Israel, Jordan, Syria and " Palestine". 70.27.248.208 ( talk) 15:14, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
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Could you split this sentence?
The river holds major significance in Judaism and Christianity since the Bible says that the Israelites crossed it into the Promised Land and that Jesus of Nazareth was baptized by John the Baptist in it.
Maybe it could become
The river holds major significance in Judaism and Christianity. According to the Bible, the Israelites crossed it into the Promised Land, and Jesus of Nazareth was baptized by John the Baptist in it.
It would just be a little less complex if the sentence were split in two, and replacing "The Bible says that...and that..." with a single source claim ("According to the Bible") means that you don't have to remember how the "and that" statement refers back to the Bible bit. 64.203.186.112 ( talk) 14:49, 27 July 2021 (UTC)
Since I cannot edit the page myself, I bring to your attention a piece of information that should/could be added in the section about the religious meaning.
According to the
Eastern Orthodox Church, on the day of the
Baptism of Jesus
Epiphany, only in presence of the
Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Jerusalem, a supposed miracle happens in the waters of the river, which reverses its flow.
A source is at this link.-- Mickey ( talk) 19:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
I recently created Meshushim River. It falls into the Sea of Galilee. In he-wiki it is categorized as a tributary of the Jordan River. What is en-wiki's take on this? Loew Galitz ( talk) 02:10, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
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Citation 1 (1] Klein, Ernest, A Comprehensive Etymological Dictionary of the Hebrew Language for Readers of English, The University of Haifa, Carta, Jerusalem, p. 264) brought to show the etymology of the Hebrew name ירדן to mean "to descend", does not mention the name of the river. Request for alternative source, or to scrap the given meaning entirely GabeMelvin ( talk) 12:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Dovidroth: Why have you removed mention of the Golan Heights occupation and kept it for the West Bank? And why have you removed mention of the occupier, Israel? Your edits go against RS phrasing which use unequivocally "Israeli-occupied Golan Heights". [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. Makeandtoss ( talk) 11:51, 27 December 2023 (UTC)