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I have added for balance that joe Hancock had smuggled an estimated $15,000,000 worth of Molasses. It is good to put alternative points of view in the article in order to be balanced. The phrasing in the article tends to be defensive when it comes to suggesting Hancock smuggled goods. One sentence says that there are no records of Hancock smuggling. Why would Hancock keep records of smuggling in the first place? The British had repealed all of the imposed taxes, except for tea and offered high quality East India tea at lower prices then the Dutch tea, apparently that is what Hancock smuggled into the colonies. In essence the British were competing with Hancock's business, legitimate or illegitimate. Cmguy777 ( talk) 17:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Theres some pretty blatant POV here: the comment "I suspect that the Hancock was a smuggler story is a myth popularized by 19th century advocates of free trade" says it all, really. I agree entirly with with Cmguy777, although the post is now 4 years old. The article is extremely defensive - just because he signed the declaration does not make him a 'great' man. you say he was not known as a smuggler in his own lifetime, but he was obviously considered so by the British. This is a very biased aricle.-- Godwhale ( talk) 06:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Historian James H. Stark contends the Hancock defaulted on money, 15,400 pounds, he owed to Harvard University while serving as its treasurer. Harvard "begged and entreated" Hancock to pay the money back to no avail. The matter was settled by his family in 1795 after his death in 1793. Should this be in the article?
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This article is extremely well done. The writing quality is superb and the flow kept me interested throughout the whole thing. Having known little about Hancock previously, it was interesting to know how extravagantly he lived, but also how he made it seem like he played both sides for so long. Seeing into the disappointments and his want to be a soldier brought a lot of humanity to the article. I see that you have alts for all the images, so I presume you're bringing this to FAC, which is what I was just about to suggest.
I do have one final comment in addition to the ones above. Hancock's signature on the Declaration is most likely not his every day signature. I'll compare it to Walt Disney, who's real signature is not the one you see at the beginning of all of his movies. While the Declaration signature should of course be included here, I feel as if his 'real' signature should be located in the infobox. The Declaration signature is very stylized, and I would argue is probably almost drawn; i.e. it is not something that a practical businessman would put on an everyday receipt. Have you seen any evidence of a different version around in your research? upstate NYer 17:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Review now completed, with a couple footnotes: It looks like the "political gout" statement is one that was occasionally used centuries ago, but it's not commonly used, and Hancock was not the originator of it; that being said, the fact that he did have gout and seemed to use it at opportune times was probably why it was used. I'm keeping it as is for now, but if you want it reworded I can certainly do that. I wish I could find more on the idea though, it'd make for an interesting article. I cited everything except for the Articles of Confed. ratification, because I think that it's ratification in 1781 is common enough knowledge to not require a source; simple middle school history. Third, I re-read a couple things, as well as the snopes article on the Declaration, and while that may not be his everyday signature, his extravagance does make it seem like his signature would have been something similar to it; he would certainly be the type of guy to do something like that. I think that answers everything, if you have further issues let me know. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The engraving on the memorial stone (Final years section) reads "...erected AD MDCCCXCV..." This Roman Numeral is 1895. The caption for the image, however, says "erected in 1896." Is this a small oversight?
Mls1984 ( talk) 17:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The birth dates are January 1737 (and a different day in January 1736 O.S.). I have found sources stating 1736 and 1737 and thought it would be a good idea to cite something, or add a clarification why the years are different. I am not very well schooled in the old style birth date conventions, so I am writing on the talk page instead of the article. - Ich ( talk) 17:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
He is remembered for his large and stylish signature on the United States Declaration of Independence, so much so that the term "John Hancock" has become, in the United States, a synonym for signature.
Should substitute eponym for synonym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.51.118 ( talk) 05:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Hancock's ancestry is nowhere to be found on this page. I am just wondering as that of all the other founding fathers is given mention, why is his not? Is it not available or has it just yet to be added by some sort of coincidence? I believe he was of English descent but I'd like the specifics. Does anybody know or care to add it? Thesouthernhistorian45 ( talk) 05:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
1. John HANCOCK (*1506? Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: UNKNOWN 2. Richard HANCOCK (*1527 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: Isabell *1536; (∞1555) 3. Richard HANCOCK (*19 Dec 1564 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: UNKNOWN 4. Nathaniel HANCOCK (*3 Oct 1596 Padiham, Lancashire, England; †1652 Cambridge, MA) sp: Joanna WRIGHT (*1609?; †1664?) 5. Nathaniel HANCOCK (*18 Dec 1638 Cambridge, MA; †12 Apr 1719 Cambridge, MA) sp: Mary PRENTICE (*25 Sep 1644; ∞8 Mar 1662/3; †20 Sep 1699) 6. John HANCOCK (*1671; †1752) sp: Elizabeth CLARK (*1674; ∞1700; †1760) 7. John HANCOCK (*1702; †1744) sp: Mary HAWKE (*1711; ∞1733; †aft.1783) 8. (Gov.) John HANCOCK (*12 Jan 1736/7; †8 Oct 1793) sp: Dorothy QUINCY (*1747; ∞1775; †1830)
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This article has the wrong birthday listed for John Hancock. According to biography.com ( http://www.biography.com/people/john-hancock-9327271) as well as several other sites John Hancock's date of birth is January 12th 1737.
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his b-day is January 12, 1737 69.161.126.89 ( talk) 22:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
It is specious to label John Hancock just as a President of the Continental Congress. Although you have changed my edits of John Hancock back to just a Continental Congress President, perhaps you can leave this post on the talk page to help your readers discern which listing - President of the Continental Congress OR President of the Continental Congress and President of the United States in Congress Assembled is correct. A brief case that the Continental Congress expired with the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and the offices had significant differences is as follows:
Although the Articles of Confederation was passed by the U.S. Continental Congress on November 15th, 1777, this Constitution of 1777 required the unanimous ratification by all the 13 states. Maryland was the last state to adopt the Articles of Confederation, completing its ratification on February 2, 1781. On February 22, 1781, it was unanimously resolved by Congress that:
The delegates of Maryland having taken their seats in Congress with powers to sign the Articles of Confederation: "Ordered, That Thursday next [March 1, 1781] be assigned for compleating the Confederation; and that a committee of three be appointed, to consider and report a mode for announcing the same to the public: the members, [Mr. George] Walton, Mr. [James] Madison, Mr. [John] Mathews."
The March 1st, 1781, enacted Constitution of 1777 provided for a unicameral governing body called the United States in Congress Assembled (USCA) to govern the United States of America. The USCA was charged " .. to appoint one of their members to preside, provided that no person be allowed to serve in the office of president more than one year in any term of three years."
On March 2nd, 1781, the Delegates, who were duly elected after each State had ratified the Articles of Confederation, convened in Philadelphia as the United States in Congress Assembled with Samuel Huntington presiding as the first USCA President. Additionally, George Washington continued to serve as General and Commander-in-Chief of the United States Continental Army.
The Constitution of 1777 Presidency, although similar to its predecessor, was a different and weaker office then that of the U.S. Continental Congress Presidency.
For instance, the Continental Congress Presidents, who served from September 5, 1774 to February 28, 1781, presided over a government that could enact legislation binding all 13 States with only a seven state quorum as opposed to the nine state minimum required by the Constitution of 1777. Additionally, Continental Congress Presidents, who decided what legislation came before Congress, often found themselves as the sole vote for their state, giving them a 1/7th to 1/13th vote over crucial legislation, appointments, judicial decisions, and even military orders enacted during the Revolutionary War. After March 1, 1781, the Constitution of 1777 mandated that two or more delegates must be present from each state for that delegation to be marked present and be eligible to vote in the new USCA government. Therefore, on March 2nd, 1781, the first act of the USCA was to disqualify both New Hampshire and Rhode Island from voting in the new assembly because they each had only one delegate present.
On May 4, 1781, to further weaken presidential powers, Congress passed the "Rules for conducting business in the United States in Congress assembled." that stripped the President of his power to control the congressional agenda which, was a tactic that the presiding officers (especially Henry Laurens) had expertly wielded as Continental Congress Presidents. These new USCA rules even went so far as to eliminate the President's prerogative to continue the debate, before a second to the motion was brought to the floor.
"Rule 10. When a motion is made and seconded it shall be repeated by the President or If he or any other member desire being in writing it shall be delivered to the President in writing and read aloud at the table before it, shall be debated."
There are numerous other examples on the differences between the two offices that range from the USCA's Committee of the States experiment to govern the USA by a "Board of Directors" without the USCA President at its head to John Hanson's success in championing the congressional resolution that moved the bulk of his presidential correspondence duties to USCA Secretary Charles Thomson. Moreover, USCA Foreign Secretaries Robert R. Livingston and John Jay took over most of the U.S. Presidential duties of entertaining foreign diplomats and dignitaries under the Articles of Confederation government.
John Hancock was elected as both the President of the Continental Congress and the United states in Congress Assembled and not just as President of the Continental Congress. To view the primary sources supporting this fact go to http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c_Pu5PAiP_g/UOX0C4AiqhI/AAAAAAAADe0/tvVawnkqk5M/s1600/AA+AC.jpg and for documents issued by the USCA with John Hancock as President of the United States in Congress Assembled please go here -- www.johnhancock.org. -- Stas.klos ( talk) 14:41, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I have been reading this wonderful well researched text: John Paul Jones: A Sailor's Biography by Samuel Eliot Morrison, (1964) [1959]. The book is listed as a reference on the John Paul Jones page. The book mentions John Paul Jones's dealings in with John Hancock. I looked up this Wiki article to see if it mentions the kind of unsavory behavior of Hancock mentioned in the book, which the article indeed does (Bravo!), but not this particular incident. We could include some of it in the main text if desired to make an improvement to the article--it makes no difference to me, but it was surprising when I read it! Here is direct quote from the book [items in square brackets are my commentary]:
†The books explains that Jones lost seniority due to the ranking method used by the Congress on 10 October 1776 (on advice from the Marine Committee). Because Jones had turned down a Captain position early on and took a 1st Lieutenant position instead, and because his appointment to sloop Providence was made on 10 May but not signed until 10 October, he was ranked lower than others who were less qualified and who had performed far more poorly in war to that point. This unreasonably low seniority ranking, combined with his reassignment to sloop Providence, one of the smaller combat ships of the Navy, "drove Jones to fury, and continued to anger him as long as he lived." (87) David Tornheim ( talk) 12:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I added John Hancock was a member of the St. Andrews Lodge of Freemasonry in Boston that owned and met in the first floor of the Green Dragon Tavern. He eventually became the Grand Master of the Lodge<ref]citation needed</ref]. 69.180.104.60 ( talk) 21:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Joseph Warren was the Grand Master of Massachusetts. Upon his death at Bunker Hill, John Hancock became Grand Master. Benjamin Franklin was Grand Master of Pennsylvania and George Washington was Grand Master of Virginia and the Continental Army. 73.85.206.169 ( talk) 14:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
This material was recently added by 50.194.79.161. I support the revert by CatcherStorm. I was about to revert it as well. I would be okay with a single sentence about this video game *if* WP:RS can be provided for it showing this use of John Hancock was significant or notable. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how Fallout 4 is one of the few significant mentions of John Hancock in recent memory (especially considering that the character is wearing Hancock's extant clothing from the Old State House museum in Boston), I'd wholly recommend including it. I don't think there's any need to call out the character's achievements (the militia, mayor of Goodneighbor, etc), but it's worth mentioning that the character is named after/inspired by John Hancock. Shoom'lah ( talk) 09:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
A strong argument can be made that John Hancock was the only representative of Congress that signed the fair copy of the Declaration on 7/4 with Secretary of Congress Charles Thomson attesting it, thus explaining why these two names appear on the bottom of the 200 Dunlap broadsides. 2601:589:4705:C7C0:1C96:2508:525A:2F69 ( talk) 17:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Stop editing over and over again mine says last edited 21 hours ago. Tyler Shaver 16:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utv82803 ( talk • contribs)
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Birth year should be 1737 for BOTH old school (O.S.) and modern (Gregorian) calendar dates. The difference in dates should be about 11 days. Currently, the page shows 1 year and 11 days difference between the two dates, which is incorrect. Cogliano ( talk) 06:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
It says he was the fourth president of the Continental Congress and that Richard Henry Lee of Virginia was his predecessor. However, on Henry’s page it states he is the fourth. Now there are 3 presidents that preceded Lee so I am inclined to believe that John Hancock was the 5th president. Also the pages are not consistent with the positions. As it says Richard henry lee, on his page, was president of the confederation congress. The two were the same body, but operated under different circumstances. It would be better if someone cleaned it up so that it was consistent with the connected pages. Steakismeat ( talk) 00:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please add the category "Category:People who died in office" to the end of the article. 2601:241:301:4360:6935:6480:76BC:C632 ( talk) 19:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
This article has an inaccurate statement that there is no evidence that John Hancock ever purchased or sold enslaved people, citing William Fowler's 1980 biography, but this is untrue. The Quincy-Wendell Holmes-Upham family papers held by the Massachusetts Historical Society includes a deed of sale dated 8 February 1776 from Edmund Quincy to John Hancock (making JH the purchaser) for an enslaved boy named John. [1] SUS
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Be nice to start an article about Hancock's house on Beacon Street.
Pending that, be nice to state when that defunct house was built.
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Hancock's one time in England between 1760-61 is dismissed in a single bland sentence (so I feel). It would be interesting if light could be shed on where in England he was living (of interest to British readers). I recall (1970s) that Ripley's 'Believe it or Not' mentions he was the only signer of the DOI to have attended the coronation of King George III (though in what capacity - as a representative, invited guest, or member of the public - it did not mention), which took place in Westminster Abbey on 22 September 1761, so it seems likely he was based in London. This might be best answered by users in London. Is he subject of any Blue Plaques? Did he leave any recollections of the coronation? Cloptonson ( talk) 11:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Speakers will frequently err with saying "sign with my John Henry", when they mean their "John Hancock". Would be useful and appropriate to make note of the common error. Suggested place to add the note in the article's 1st paragraph: "He is remembered for his large and stylish signature on the United States Declaration of Independence, so much so that the term John Hancock or Hancock has become a nickname in the United States for one's signature." 2600:1700:BF10:69D0:A906:E9EA:D4E1:9083 ( talk) 10:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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ADD Brooke Barbier's new biography to the Further Reading section. Barbier, Brooke, King Hancock: The Radical Influence of a Moderate Founding Father, Cambridge, Massachusetts : Harvard University Press, 2023. ISBN: 9780674271777. HBMDCO ( talk) 02:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
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I have added for balance that joe Hancock had smuggled an estimated $15,000,000 worth of Molasses. It is good to put alternative points of view in the article in order to be balanced. The phrasing in the article tends to be defensive when it comes to suggesting Hancock smuggled goods. One sentence says that there are no records of Hancock smuggling. Why would Hancock keep records of smuggling in the first place? The British had repealed all of the imposed taxes, except for tea and offered high quality East India tea at lower prices then the Dutch tea, apparently that is what Hancock smuggled into the colonies. In essence the British were competing with Hancock's business, legitimate or illegitimate. Cmguy777 ( talk) 17:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Theres some pretty blatant POV here: the comment "I suspect that the Hancock was a smuggler story is a myth popularized by 19th century advocates of free trade" says it all, really. I agree entirly with with Cmguy777, although the post is now 4 years old. The article is extremely defensive - just because he signed the declaration does not make him a 'great' man. you say he was not known as a smuggler in his own lifetime, but he was obviously considered so by the British. This is a very biased aricle.-- Godwhale ( talk) 06:15, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Historian James H. Stark contends the Hancock defaulted on money, 15,400 pounds, he owed to Harvard University while serving as its treasurer. Harvard "begged and entreated" Hancock to pay the money back to no avail. The matter was settled by his family in 1795 after his death in 1793. Should this be in the article?
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This article is extremely well done. The writing quality is superb and the flow kept me interested throughout the whole thing. Having known little about Hancock previously, it was interesting to know how extravagantly he lived, but also how he made it seem like he played both sides for so long. Seeing into the disappointments and his want to be a soldier brought a lot of humanity to the article. I see that you have alts for all the images, so I presume you're bringing this to FAC, which is what I was just about to suggest.
I do have one final comment in addition to the ones above. Hancock's signature on the Declaration is most likely not his every day signature. I'll compare it to Walt Disney, who's real signature is not the one you see at the beginning of all of his movies. While the Declaration signature should of course be included here, I feel as if his 'real' signature should be located in the infobox. The Declaration signature is very stylized, and I would argue is probably almost drawn; i.e. it is not something that a practical businessman would put on an everyday receipt. Have you seen any evidence of a different version around in your research? upstate NYer 17:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Review now completed, with a couple footnotes: It looks like the "political gout" statement is one that was occasionally used centuries ago, but it's not commonly used, and Hancock was not the originator of it; that being said, the fact that he did have gout and seemed to use it at opportune times was probably why it was used. I'm keeping it as is for now, but if you want it reworded I can certainly do that. I wish I could find more on the idea though, it'd make for an interesting article. I cited everything except for the Articles of Confed. ratification, because I think that it's ratification in 1781 is common enough knowledge to not require a source; simple middle school history. Third, I re-read a couple things, as well as the snopes article on the Declaration, and while that may not be his everyday signature, his extravagance does make it seem like his signature would have been something similar to it; he would certainly be the type of guy to do something like that. I think that answers everything, if you have further issues let me know. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The engraving on the memorial stone (Final years section) reads "...erected AD MDCCCXCV..." This Roman Numeral is 1895. The caption for the image, however, says "erected in 1896." Is this a small oversight?
Mls1984 ( talk) 17:42, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
The birth dates are January 1737 (and a different day in January 1736 O.S.). I have found sources stating 1736 and 1737 and thought it would be a good idea to cite something, or add a clarification why the years are different. I am not very well schooled in the old style birth date conventions, so I am writing on the talk page instead of the article. - Ich ( talk) 17:37, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
He is remembered for his large and stylish signature on the United States Declaration of Independence, so much so that the term "John Hancock" has become, in the United States, a synonym for signature.
Should substitute eponym for synonym. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.97.51.118 ( talk) 05:25, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Hancock's ancestry is nowhere to be found on this page. I am just wondering as that of all the other founding fathers is given mention, why is his not? Is it not available or has it just yet to be added by some sort of coincidence? I believe he was of English descent but I'd like the specifics. Does anybody know or care to add it? Thesouthernhistorian45 ( talk) 05:29, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
1. John HANCOCK (*1506? Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: UNKNOWN 2. Richard HANCOCK (*1527 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: Isabell *1536; (∞1555) 3. Richard HANCOCK (*19 Dec 1564 Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England; †?) sp: UNKNOWN 4. Nathaniel HANCOCK (*3 Oct 1596 Padiham, Lancashire, England; †1652 Cambridge, MA) sp: Joanna WRIGHT (*1609?; †1664?) 5. Nathaniel HANCOCK (*18 Dec 1638 Cambridge, MA; †12 Apr 1719 Cambridge, MA) sp: Mary PRENTICE (*25 Sep 1644; ∞8 Mar 1662/3; †20 Sep 1699) 6. John HANCOCK (*1671; †1752) sp: Elizabeth CLARK (*1674; ∞1700; †1760) 7. John HANCOCK (*1702; †1744) sp: Mary HAWKE (*1711; ∞1733; †aft.1783) 8. (Gov.) John HANCOCK (*12 Jan 1736/7; †8 Oct 1793) sp: Dorothy QUINCY (*1747; ∞1775; †1830)
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This article has the wrong birthday listed for John Hancock. According to biography.com ( http://www.biography.com/people/john-hancock-9327271) as well as several other sites John Hancock's date of birth is January 12th 1737.
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his b-day is January 12, 1737 69.161.126.89 ( talk) 22:48, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
It is specious to label John Hancock just as a President of the Continental Congress. Although you have changed my edits of John Hancock back to just a Continental Congress President, perhaps you can leave this post on the talk page to help your readers discern which listing - President of the Continental Congress OR President of the Continental Congress and President of the United States in Congress Assembled is correct. A brief case that the Continental Congress expired with the ratification of the Articles of Confederation and the offices had significant differences is as follows:
Although the Articles of Confederation was passed by the U.S. Continental Congress on November 15th, 1777, this Constitution of 1777 required the unanimous ratification by all the 13 states. Maryland was the last state to adopt the Articles of Confederation, completing its ratification on February 2, 1781. On February 22, 1781, it was unanimously resolved by Congress that:
The delegates of Maryland having taken their seats in Congress with powers to sign the Articles of Confederation: "Ordered, That Thursday next [March 1, 1781] be assigned for compleating the Confederation; and that a committee of three be appointed, to consider and report a mode for announcing the same to the public: the members, [Mr. George] Walton, Mr. [James] Madison, Mr. [John] Mathews."
The March 1st, 1781, enacted Constitution of 1777 provided for a unicameral governing body called the United States in Congress Assembled (USCA) to govern the United States of America. The USCA was charged " .. to appoint one of their members to preside, provided that no person be allowed to serve in the office of president more than one year in any term of three years."
On March 2nd, 1781, the Delegates, who were duly elected after each State had ratified the Articles of Confederation, convened in Philadelphia as the United States in Congress Assembled with Samuel Huntington presiding as the first USCA President. Additionally, George Washington continued to serve as General and Commander-in-Chief of the United States Continental Army.
The Constitution of 1777 Presidency, although similar to its predecessor, was a different and weaker office then that of the U.S. Continental Congress Presidency.
For instance, the Continental Congress Presidents, who served from September 5, 1774 to February 28, 1781, presided over a government that could enact legislation binding all 13 States with only a seven state quorum as opposed to the nine state minimum required by the Constitution of 1777. Additionally, Continental Congress Presidents, who decided what legislation came before Congress, often found themselves as the sole vote for their state, giving them a 1/7th to 1/13th vote over crucial legislation, appointments, judicial decisions, and even military orders enacted during the Revolutionary War. After March 1, 1781, the Constitution of 1777 mandated that two or more delegates must be present from each state for that delegation to be marked present and be eligible to vote in the new USCA government. Therefore, on March 2nd, 1781, the first act of the USCA was to disqualify both New Hampshire and Rhode Island from voting in the new assembly because they each had only one delegate present.
On May 4, 1781, to further weaken presidential powers, Congress passed the "Rules for conducting business in the United States in Congress assembled." that stripped the President of his power to control the congressional agenda which, was a tactic that the presiding officers (especially Henry Laurens) had expertly wielded as Continental Congress Presidents. These new USCA rules even went so far as to eliminate the President's prerogative to continue the debate, before a second to the motion was brought to the floor.
"Rule 10. When a motion is made and seconded it shall be repeated by the President or If he or any other member desire being in writing it shall be delivered to the President in writing and read aloud at the table before it, shall be debated."
There are numerous other examples on the differences between the two offices that range from the USCA's Committee of the States experiment to govern the USA by a "Board of Directors" without the USCA President at its head to John Hanson's success in championing the congressional resolution that moved the bulk of his presidential correspondence duties to USCA Secretary Charles Thomson. Moreover, USCA Foreign Secretaries Robert R. Livingston and John Jay took over most of the U.S. Presidential duties of entertaining foreign diplomats and dignitaries under the Articles of Confederation government.
John Hancock was elected as both the President of the Continental Congress and the United states in Congress Assembled and not just as President of the Continental Congress. To view the primary sources supporting this fact go to http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-c_Pu5PAiP_g/UOX0C4AiqhI/AAAAAAAADe0/tvVawnkqk5M/s1600/AA+AC.jpg and for documents issued by the USCA with John Hancock as President of the United States in Congress Assembled please go here -- www.johnhancock.org. -- Stas.klos ( talk) 14:41, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I have been reading this wonderful well researched text: John Paul Jones: A Sailor's Biography by Samuel Eliot Morrison, (1964) [1959]. The book is listed as a reference on the John Paul Jones page. The book mentions John Paul Jones's dealings in with John Hancock. I looked up this Wiki article to see if it mentions the kind of unsavory behavior of Hancock mentioned in the book, which the article indeed does (Bravo!), but not this particular incident. We could include some of it in the main text if desired to make an improvement to the article--it makes no difference to me, but it was surprising when I read it! Here is direct quote from the book [items in square brackets are my commentary]:
†The books explains that Jones lost seniority due to the ranking method used by the Congress on 10 October 1776 (on advice from the Marine Committee). Because Jones had turned down a Captain position early on and took a 1st Lieutenant position instead, and because his appointment to sloop Providence was made on 10 May but not signed until 10 October, he was ranked lower than others who were less qualified and who had performed far more poorly in war to that point. This unreasonably low seniority ranking, combined with his reassignment to sloop Providence, one of the smaller combat ships of the Navy, "drove Jones to fury, and continued to anger him as long as he lived." (87) David Tornheim ( talk) 12:28, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
I added John Hancock was a member of the St. Andrews Lodge of Freemasonry in Boston that owned and met in the first floor of the Green Dragon Tavern. He eventually became the Grand Master of the Lodge<ref]citation needed</ref]. 69.180.104.60 ( talk) 21:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Joseph Warren was the Grand Master of Massachusetts. Upon his death at Bunker Hill, John Hancock became Grand Master. Benjamin Franklin was Grand Master of Pennsylvania and George Washington was Grand Master of Virginia and the Continental Army. 73.85.206.169 ( talk) 14:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
This material was recently added by 50.194.79.161. I support the revert by CatcherStorm. I was about to revert it as well. I would be okay with a single sentence about this video game *if* WP:RS can be provided for it showing this use of John Hancock was significant or notable. -- David Tornheim ( talk) 23:04, 29 December 2015 (UTC)
Seeing how Fallout 4 is one of the few significant mentions of John Hancock in recent memory (especially considering that the character is wearing Hancock's extant clothing from the Old State House museum in Boston), I'd wholly recommend including it. I don't think there's any need to call out the character's achievements (the militia, mayor of Goodneighbor, etc), but it's worth mentioning that the character is named after/inspired by John Hancock. Shoom'lah ( talk) 09:14, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
A strong argument can be made that John Hancock was the only representative of Congress that signed the fair copy of the Declaration on 7/4 with Secretary of Congress Charles Thomson attesting it, thus explaining why these two names appear on the bottom of the 200 Dunlap broadsides. 2601:589:4705:C7C0:1C96:2508:525A:2F69 ( talk) 17:12, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
Stop editing over and over again mine says last edited 21 hours ago. Tyler Shaver 16:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Utv82803 ( talk • contribs)
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Birth year should be 1737 for BOTH old school (O.S.) and modern (Gregorian) calendar dates. The difference in dates should be about 11 days. Currently, the page shows 1 year and 11 days difference between the two dates, which is incorrect. Cogliano ( talk) 06:32, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
It says he was the fourth president of the Continental Congress and that Richard Henry Lee of Virginia was his predecessor. However, on Henry’s page it states he is the fourth. Now there are 3 presidents that preceded Lee so I am inclined to believe that John Hancock was the 5th president. Also the pages are not consistent with the positions. As it says Richard henry lee, on his page, was president of the confederation congress. The two were the same body, but operated under different circumstances. It would be better if someone cleaned it up so that it was consistent with the connected pages. Steakismeat ( talk) 00:00, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
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Please add the category "Category:People who died in office" to the end of the article. 2601:241:301:4360:6935:6480:76BC:C632 ( talk) 19:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)
This article has an inaccurate statement that there is no evidence that John Hancock ever purchased or sold enslaved people, citing William Fowler's 1980 biography, but this is untrue. The Quincy-Wendell Holmes-Upham family papers held by the Massachusetts Historical Society includes a deed of sale dated 8 February 1776 from Edmund Quincy to John Hancock (making JH the purchaser) for an enslaved boy named John. [1] SUS
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Be nice to start an article about Hancock's house on Beacon Street.
Pending that, be nice to state when that defunct house was built.
Jimlue ( talk) 21:11, 29 October 2021 (UTC)
Hancock's one time in England between 1760-61 is dismissed in a single bland sentence (so I feel). It would be interesting if light could be shed on where in England he was living (of interest to British readers). I recall (1970s) that Ripley's 'Believe it or Not' mentions he was the only signer of the DOI to have attended the coronation of King George III (though in what capacity - as a representative, invited guest, or member of the public - it did not mention), which took place in Westminster Abbey on 22 September 1761, so it seems likely he was based in London. This might be best answered by users in London. Is he subject of any Blue Plaques? Did he leave any recollections of the coronation? Cloptonson ( talk) 11:16, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Speakers will frequently err with saying "sign with my John Henry", when they mean their "John Hancock". Would be useful and appropriate to make note of the common error. Suggested place to add the note in the article's 1st paragraph: "He is remembered for his large and stylish signature on the United States Declaration of Independence, so much so that the term John Hancock or Hancock has become a nickname in the United States for one's signature." 2600:1700:BF10:69D0:A906:E9EA:D4E1:9083 ( talk) 10:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
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ADD Brooke Barbier's new biography to the Further Reading section. Barbier, Brooke, King Hancock: The Radical Influence of a Moderate Founding Father, Cambridge, Massachusetts : Harvard University Press, 2023. ISBN: 9780674271777. HBMDCO ( talk) 02:25, 27 November 2023 (UTC)