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Malachi is survivin ( talk) 23:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
According to "Cartografía Marítima Hispana" Luisa Martin Merás, ISBN 84-7782-265-4. There is a hand written text in Latin by Sebastian Cabot in his famous map (Antwerp 1544). The only copy, found in Bavaria in 1843 is kept in French National Library, dept of maps Res. Ge. AA 582 (a facsimile is visible on Internet: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84389437/f1.item). This Latin text was copied in Castilian to Sancho Gutierrez 1551 map. This text stated next to North America: "This land was discovered by Johannes Caboto, venetian and Sebastian Caboto, his son, in the year of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ MCCCCXCIIII, 24th of June in the morning. They put to it the name 'prima terra vista' and [...] This big island was named Saint Johhn, as it was discovered on Saint John holiday. People there wander wearing animal furs. They use bow and arrow to fight, javelins and darts and wooden batons and slings. This is a very sterile land, there are a lot of white bears and very big deers, big as horses, and many other animals. As well there are infinite fish: plaices, salmons, very long soles, 1 yard long and many other varieties of fish. Most of them are called cod. And there are also black hawks, black as ravens, eagles, partridges, The year is clearly stated MCCCCXCIIII in both hand written versions. Two options can explain this. One option is an intentional change in dates made by Sebastian Cabot and Sancho Gutierrez made in the middle of XVI century. Intentional changes and inaccuracies were most common of geographers at the time, in order to obey political interests of their sponsors. As Sebastian was funded by German emperor of and King of Spain Charles V, he may be interested in showing that the first travel to North America was in 1494 and thus funded by Castilians or Portuguese and not English nor French. That started claiming their part of the cake. Another option: Sebastian and Sancho are stating a true year, but this would mean Sebastian and his father John made a first scouting travel before proposing seriously their services to England in 1496. What seems suspect for this theory is that he says to be arriving the same exact Saint John’s holiday as stated in 1497 travel. Anyway the time lapse between their documented presence in Castile and Portugal and their documented presence in England gave them enough time to make an scouting expedition, with an unclear source of founding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisco.j.gonzalez ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
John Cabot: The English King's Italian Navigator First Voyage May 2, 1497 - August 6, 1498
On his first voyage, Cabot reached the east coast of North America, probably landing on Newfoundland or Cape Breton Copyright/Source King Henry VII finally gave Cabot permission to travel. On June 24, 1497, Cabot reached the east coast of North America, probably Newfoundland or Cape Breton. Cabot claimed the land in the name of Henry VII. They did not meet any Native peoples.
They travelled along the coast for 30 days. The Matthew returned to England and Cabot was rewarded with the sum of £10 by the king. This was not a lot of money -- he would have been given much more if he had come back with spices or gold.
Playing it Safe
Historians haven't decided exactly where Cabot landed on June 24, 1497. It was probably Newfoundland, Labrador, Cape Breton or perhaps Prince Edward Island. Following a trail leading away from the shore, Cabot and some of his men came across an abandoned campsite. The site may have belonged to the Beothuk, a tribe that became known for hiding itself from Europeans. Cabot took on fresh water, and then nervous that he might be attacked when he only had 18 men with him, he returned to his ship.
A 16th-century map showing areas with lots of cod Copyright/Source Never Return Empty-Handed Rather than return to England with nothing to show for his voyage, Cabot filled the holds of his ships with cod. He reported that "the schools of cod in the waters off Newfoundland were so thick that they slowed the ship." Jackson, Lawrence. Newfoundland and Labrador. Markham, Ont.: Fitzhenry & Whiteside, 1998, ©1995. p. 23
Cabot's news of the cod set off a fishing frenzy. Europeans loved to eat cod and soon the French, Portuguese and Spanish were fishing Newfoundland's waters. Today, the cod has been all but fished out. In 1991, the Canadian government banned cod fishing to give the cod stocks time to recover.
John Cabot also has a Academy named after him in Kingswood, Bristol. It has recently been renamed John Cabot Academy after originally being called John Cabot Technology College.
In the article, Cabot's favorite friend (mispelled) is a Nguyen Ly. Any other info on this individual's involvement with Cabot ? (No other specific reference to this 15th century individual found in Wikipedia) PFSLAKES1 ( talk) 20:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I changed the claim of Cabot being "commonly credited as the first European to discover North America" to "commonly credited as the first European to discover the mainland of North America", as that is how the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it. Note the (fairly) common meaning of North America includes Central America and the Caribbean where Columbus made his discoveries in 1492. The North America pages makes this clear, while noting alternate meanings. Of course even this claim is troublesome if Cabot landed on Newfoundland, since that it not the mainland. Still, the mainland statement is sourced, so. Actually the Catholic Encyclopedia takes it further, saying Cabot was "discoverer of the American mainland"--not just North America. But as the page Americas (terminology) points out, the term "American" is rather vague and problematic. So I left it as North America. Also, there is a paragraph, entirely within parentheses, which I added a "citation needed" tag too:
I don't doubt the Inter Caetera, but am skeptical that King Francis I of France and King Henry VIII of England were "in part motivated by the perceived insolence" of this papal bull. My understanding is that the Inter Caetera was never intended to be anything other than an arrangement between Spain and Portugal "brokered" by the Papacy. It applied only to Spain and Portugal. France, England, and all other nations were not bound by it--although Spain tried (and rapidly failed) to persuade other nations to recognize Spanish rights to the New World based on the Inter Caetera. I am skeptical that Francis I or Henry VIII found the papal bull insolent. They might have, and if so it might have played a part in Henry's support of Cabot. But, well, I checked the references listed here and found no such information. Thus "citation needed". Pfly ( talk) 06:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It is known that Cabot left two flags on the American soil, one of Britain and one of Venice. Is that worth of mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.184.203.199 ( talk) 11:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Un-sourced and illogical. How would they have known? Dankarl ( talk) 14:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Has any news been discovered on how John Cabot disappeared.I know in a book written about how the name America came about, it was implied that he sailed down the coast of North America and ran into the Spanish in South America, where he was killed.
TepidTangent (
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There are reports that archaelologists are conducting research on a Catholic church built by Cabot's expedition in 1498. This could perhaps be added to the article, along with an appropriate commentary on Cabot's role in bringing the Catholic faith to North America. Traditionally, this role has been confered to French-speaking explorers like Jacques Cartier and Samuel de Champlain, but this research tends to prove that Cabot played an important role as well. [1] ADM ( talk) 23:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
A very large percentage of this article is dedicated to the claims of one researcher (Alwyn Ruddock), despite the fact that there isn't much, if any evidence to support her claims. Wouldn't it be much better to stick to the essential facts, and simply provide a link to the works of this researcher in case anyone might be interested to investigate them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DougP1 ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Evan Jones (University of Bristol) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan T Jones ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I would like to remove the 'balance' flag created by 86.135.27.76 (above). This was inserted on the grounds that "there isn't much, if any evidence to support [Dr Ruddock's] claims" (comment, 1 Jan 2010) and in the hope that "an expert might come along sometime and address the isuse" (comment, 26 May 2010). As I noted on 22 Oct, the first assertion is incorrect and none of the 'experts' in this field would claim it to be so. If you want to discuss the issue, I would be happy, however, to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan T Jones ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
There currently appears to be substantial flux in the area of Cabot-related scholarship. Given that flux, what is the current consensus (if any) on the extent of Cabot's claim on behalf of the English Crown? The entire Western Hemisphere? Some smaller territory? Does anyone know the exact wording of what was claimed? NorCalHistory ( talk) 01:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Autochthony writes: - At 23 Dec 2012, c. 1630 Z, the latter part of the article, Explorations, Second Voyage, included this: - "John Day's letter states that the expedition left the New World once they reached a cape said to lie "1800 miles west of Dursey Head, which is in Ireland".[32] Given that the latitude of Dursey Head is 51° 35' N, this implies that, wherever Cabot made landfall, his departure point was at the northern tip of the Great Northern Peninsula of Newfoundland (51° 36' N). " That is true if the latitude was the same. Cabot may have known how to calulte latitude, Longitude - vide Sobell - came later. More likely, the '1800 miles' was an estimate of the difference in longitude. Edinburgh is 'West of' Bristol [but mostly North of Bristol]. Autochthony wrote - 23 december 2012, 1624 Z 86.171.218.117 ( talk) 16:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Cabot had any correspondence with Christopher Columbus concerning their discoveries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TepidTangent ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the proper way to pronounce his last name? I don't want to sound like a fool and say it incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.29 ( talk) 14:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
This seems to be a remarkably spiky talk page, so I'll just note my point and move on. :)
The claim in the lead that The official position of the Canadian and United Kingdom governments is that he landed on the island of Newfoundland hardly seems to be supported by the text. The closest we get is a mention that his voyage was celebrated there in 1997 (the source for this being a picture of a memorial on the German wikipedia). This seems to me to be far from the same thing: firstly, it's highly dubious whether governments can be said to have official positions on questions of historical fact at all; secondly, a decision by Foreign Office or Queen's Household flunkies as to where to celebrate an event is neither here nor there. If there are any organs of government capable of issuing positions on historical facts, it's not them, and they may perfectly well have decided on that location just because it was as good as any other, not necessarily the 'one true' location. Henry Flower 04:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I read that in the first sentence of main introduction after the English name "John Cabot" it is reported the Venetian name "Zuan Chabotto": It should be substituted with the more correct Italian name Giovanni Caboto, as his nationality is actually considered Italian and because it also is the only name with which he is known in Italy. Just like happens for all other Italian personalities like Columbus/Colombo etc... The local Venetian name could of course be added, but as an additional information, maybe in "Name and Origins" section, besides the other language names. Paolo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.200.99 ( talk) 17:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, please revert the edit here. The birth date has already been put back, but the copying and pasting of a paragraph into a random position, that makes no sense within the flow, has not. Thanks.
86.160.217.154 ( talk) 03:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
This is confusing because Newfoundland is not the "mainland" of North America. 86.160.217.154 ( talk) 03:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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Historians have proposed Cape Bonavista and St. John's (present-day Newfoundland (island)|Newfoundland]]); Cape Breton Island (Nova Scotia); as well as Labrador (Canada) and Maine (United States) as possibilities.
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I assume this is supposed to be the Garonne? Funnyhat ( talk) 00:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
The lead says he died circa 1500. The infobox says 1498 to 1501. The section on his death said "He was last mentioned as a member of an expedition led by his son Sebastian in 1508-1509". That was added a year ago. I don't know Italian, but reading Chrome's translation of the source, it doesn't sound like there's any suggestion John Cabot was involved in Sebastian's expedition and the "obscure and contradictory" bit is about whether the information about the ships' progress refers to John's 1498 expedition or Sebastian's 1508 one. Indeed it goes on to say of the 1508 expedition "It is certain that the protagonist of this expedition is Sebastiano, and that from now on his figure enters a bright light, obscuring his father's."
For that reason I've deleted the death section and instead added "It is not known if Cabot died during the voyage, or returned safely and died shortly after." to the section on his final voyage, just before the discussion of Alwyn Ruddock's view that the expedition returned. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted anything, and am happy to be corrected or overridden. Mortee ( talk) 01:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
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Malachi is survivin ( talk) 23:38, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
According to "Cartografía Marítima Hispana" Luisa Martin Merás, ISBN 84-7782-265-4. There is a hand written text in Latin by Sebastian Cabot in his famous map (Antwerp 1544). The only copy, found in Bavaria in 1843 is kept in French National Library, dept of maps Res. Ge. AA 582 (a facsimile is visible on Internet: http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b84389437/f1.item). This Latin text was copied in Castilian to Sancho Gutierrez 1551 map. This text stated next to North America: "This land was discovered by Johannes Caboto, venetian and Sebastian Caboto, his son, in the year of the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ MCCCCXCIIII, 24th of June in the morning. They put to it the name 'prima terra vista' and [...] This big island was named Saint Johhn, as it was discovered on Saint John holiday. People there wander wearing animal furs. They use bow and arrow to fight, javelins and darts and wooden batons and slings. This is a very sterile land, there are a lot of white bears and very big deers, big as horses, and many other animals. As well there are infinite fish: plaices, salmons, very long soles, 1 yard long and many other varieties of fish. Most of them are called cod. And there are also black hawks, black as ravens, eagles, partridges, The year is clearly stated MCCCCXCIIII in both hand written versions. Two options can explain this. One option is an intentional change in dates made by Sebastian Cabot and Sancho Gutierrez made in the middle of XVI century. Intentional changes and inaccuracies were most common of geographers at the time, in order to obey political interests of their sponsors. As Sebastian was funded by German emperor of and King of Spain Charles V, he may be interested in showing that the first travel to North America was in 1494 and thus funded by Castilians or Portuguese and not English nor French. That started claiming their part of the cake. Another option: Sebastian and Sancho are stating a true year, but this would mean Sebastian and his father John made a first scouting travel before proposing seriously their services to England in 1496. What seems suspect for this theory is that he says to be arriving the same exact Saint John’s holiday as stated in 1497 travel. Anyway the time lapse between their documented presence in Castile and Portugal and their documented presence in England gave them enough time to make an scouting expedition, with an unclear source of founding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Francisco.j.gonzalez ( talk • contribs) 05:30, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
John Cabot: The English King's Italian Navigator First Voyage May 2, 1497 - August 6, 1498
On his first voyage, Cabot reached the east coast of North America, probably landing on Newfoundland or Cape Breton Copyright/Source King Henry VII finally gave Cabot permission to travel. On June 24, 1497, Cabot reached the east coast of North America, probably Newfoundland or Cape Breton. Cabot claimed the land in the name of Henry VII. They did not meet any Native peoples.
They travelled along the coast for 30 days. The Matthew returned to England and Cabot was rewarded with the sum of £10 by the king. This was not a lot of money -- he would have been given much more if he had come back with spices or gold.
Playing it Safe
Historians haven't decided exactly where Cabot landed on June 24, 1497. It was probably Newfoundland, Labrador, Cape Breton or perhaps Prince Edward Island. Following a trail leading away from the shore, Cabot and some of his men came across an abandoned campsite. The site may have belonged to the Beothuk, a tribe that became known for hiding itself from Europeans. Cabot took on fresh water, and then nervous that he might be attacked when he only had 18 men with him, he returned to his ship.
A 16th-century map showing areas with lots of cod Copyright/Source Never Return Empty-Handed Rather than return to England with nothing to show for his voyage, Cabot filled the holds of his ships with cod. He reported that "the schools of cod in the waters off Newfoundland were so thick that they slowed the ship." Jackson, Lawrence. Newfoundland and Labrador. Markham, Ont.: Fitzhenry & Whiteside, 1998, ©1995. p. 23
Cabot's news of the cod set off a fishing frenzy. Europeans loved to eat cod and soon the French, Portuguese and Spanish were fishing Newfoundland's waters. Today, the cod has been all but fished out. In 1991, the Canadian government banned cod fishing to give the cod stocks time to recover.
John Cabot also has a Academy named after him in Kingswood, Bristol. It has recently been renamed John Cabot Academy after originally being called John Cabot Technology College.
In the article, Cabot's favorite friend (mispelled) is a Nguyen Ly. Any other info on this individual's involvement with Cabot ? (No other specific reference to this 15th century individual found in Wikipedia) PFSLAKES1 ( talk) 20:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
I changed the claim of Cabot being "commonly credited as the first European to discover North America" to "commonly credited as the first European to discover the mainland of North America", as that is how the Catholic Encyclopedia puts it. Note the (fairly) common meaning of North America includes Central America and the Caribbean where Columbus made his discoveries in 1492. The North America pages makes this clear, while noting alternate meanings. Of course even this claim is troublesome if Cabot landed on Newfoundland, since that it not the mainland. Still, the mainland statement is sourced, so. Actually the Catholic Encyclopedia takes it further, saying Cabot was "discoverer of the American mainland"--not just North America. But as the page Americas (terminology) points out, the term "American" is rather vague and problematic. So I left it as North America. Also, there is a paragraph, entirely within parentheses, which I added a "citation needed" tag too:
I don't doubt the Inter Caetera, but am skeptical that King Francis I of France and King Henry VIII of England were "in part motivated by the perceived insolence" of this papal bull. My understanding is that the Inter Caetera was never intended to be anything other than an arrangement between Spain and Portugal "brokered" by the Papacy. It applied only to Spain and Portugal. France, England, and all other nations were not bound by it--although Spain tried (and rapidly failed) to persuade other nations to recognize Spanish rights to the New World based on the Inter Caetera. I am skeptical that Francis I or Henry VIII found the papal bull insolent. They might have, and if so it might have played a part in Henry's support of Cabot. But, well, I checked the references listed here and found no such information. Thus "citation needed". Pfly ( talk) 06:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
It is known that Cabot left two flags on the American soil, one of Britain and one of Venice. Is that worth of mention? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.184.203.199 ( talk) 11:01, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Un-sourced and illogical. How would they have known? Dankarl ( talk) 14:12, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Has any news been discovered on how John Cabot disappeared.I know in a book written about how the name America came about, it was implied that he sailed down the coast of North America and ran into the Spanish in South America, where he was killed.
TepidTangent (
talk) 18:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
There are reports that archaelologists are conducting research on a Catholic church built by Cabot's expedition in 1498. This could perhaps be added to the article, along with an appropriate commentary on Cabot's role in bringing the Catholic faith to North America. Traditionally, this role has been confered to French-speaking explorers like Jacques Cartier and Samuel de Champlain, but this research tends to prove that Cabot played an important role as well. [1] ADM ( talk) 23:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
A very large percentage of this article is dedicated to the claims of one researcher (Alwyn Ruddock), despite the fact that there isn't much, if any evidence to support her claims. Wouldn't it be much better to stick to the essential facts, and simply provide a link to the works of this researcher in case anyone might be interested to investigate them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by DougP1 ( talk • contribs) 14:18, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
Evan Jones (University of Bristol) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan T Jones ( talk • contribs) 14:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I would like to remove the 'balance' flag created by 86.135.27.76 (above). This was inserted on the grounds that "there isn't much, if any evidence to support [Dr Ruddock's] claims" (comment, 1 Jan 2010) and in the hope that "an expert might come along sometime and address the isuse" (comment, 26 May 2010). As I noted on 22 Oct, the first assertion is incorrect and none of the 'experts' in this field would claim it to be so. If you want to discuss the issue, I would be happy, however, to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evan T Jones ( talk • contribs) 14:55, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
There currently appears to be substantial flux in the area of Cabot-related scholarship. Given that flux, what is the current consensus (if any) on the extent of Cabot's claim on behalf of the English Crown? The entire Western Hemisphere? Some smaller territory? Does anyone know the exact wording of what was claimed? NorCalHistory ( talk) 01:25, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Autochthony writes: - At 23 Dec 2012, c. 1630 Z, the latter part of the article, Explorations, Second Voyage, included this: - "John Day's letter states that the expedition left the New World once they reached a cape said to lie "1800 miles west of Dursey Head, which is in Ireland".[32] Given that the latitude of Dursey Head is 51° 35' N, this implies that, wherever Cabot made landfall, his departure point was at the northern tip of the Great Northern Peninsula of Newfoundland (51° 36' N). " That is true if the latitude was the same. Cabot may have known how to calulte latitude, Longitude - vide Sobell - came later. More likely, the '1800 miles' was an estimate of the difference in longitude. Edinburgh is 'West of' Bristol [but mostly North of Bristol]. Autochthony wrote - 23 december 2012, 1624 Z 86.171.218.117 ( talk) 16:33, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Is there any evidence that Cabot had any correspondence with Christopher Columbus concerning their discoveries? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TepidTangent ( talk • contribs) 20:02, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
What is the proper way to pronounce his last name? I don't want to sound like a fool and say it incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.176.151.29 ( talk) 14:34, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
This seems to be a remarkably spiky talk page, so I'll just note my point and move on. :)
The claim in the lead that The official position of the Canadian and United Kingdom governments is that he landed on the island of Newfoundland hardly seems to be supported by the text. The closest we get is a mention that his voyage was celebrated there in 1997 (the source for this being a picture of a memorial on the German wikipedia). This seems to me to be far from the same thing: firstly, it's highly dubious whether governments can be said to have official positions on questions of historical fact at all; secondly, a decision by Foreign Office or Queen's Household flunkies as to where to celebrate an event is neither here nor there. If there are any organs of government capable of issuing positions on historical facts, it's not them, and they may perfectly well have decided on that location just because it was as good as any other, not necessarily the 'one true' location. Henry Flower 04:50, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I read that in the first sentence of main introduction after the English name "John Cabot" it is reported the Venetian name "Zuan Chabotto": It should be substituted with the more correct Italian name Giovanni Caboto, as his nationality is actually considered Italian and because it also is the only name with which he is known in Italy. Just like happens for all other Italian personalities like Columbus/Colombo etc... The local Venetian name could of course be added, but as an additional information, maybe in "Name and Origins" section, besides the other language names. Paolo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.20.200.99 ( talk) 17:28, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi, please revert the edit here. The birth date has already been put back, but the copying and pasting of a paragraph into a random position, that makes no sense within the flow, has not. Thanks.
86.160.217.154 ( talk) 03:06, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
This is confusing because Newfoundland is not the "mainland" of North America. 86.160.217.154 ( talk) 03:17, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
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Historians have proposed Cape Bonavista and St. John's (present-day Newfoundland (island)|Newfoundland]]); Cape Breton Island (Nova Scotia); as well as Labrador (Canada) and Maine (United States) as possibilities.
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I assume this is supposed to be the Garonne? Funnyhat ( talk) 00:42, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
The lead says he died circa 1500. The infobox says 1498 to 1501. The section on his death said "He was last mentioned as a member of an expedition led by his son Sebastian in 1508-1509". That was added a year ago. I don't know Italian, but reading Chrome's translation of the source, it doesn't sound like there's any suggestion John Cabot was involved in Sebastian's expedition and the "obscure and contradictory" bit is about whether the information about the ships' progress refers to John's 1498 expedition or Sebastian's 1508 one. Indeed it goes on to say of the 1508 expedition "It is certain that the protagonist of this expedition is Sebastiano, and that from now on his figure enters a bright light, obscuring his father's."
For that reason I've deleted the death section and instead added "It is not known if Cabot died during the voyage, or returned safely and died shortly after." to the section on his final voyage, just before the discussion of Alwyn Ruddock's view that the expedition returned. I'm sorry if I've misinterpreted anything, and am happy to be corrected or overridden. Mortee ( talk) 01:46, 22 February 2018 (UTC)