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Today, Tara Reade officially defected to Russia, is seeking Russian citizenship, and is working with Kremlin allies to fast-track her citizenship process. I kid you not.
This also comes after at least five years of promoting an endless stream of pro-Putin, pro-Kremlin propaganda, and being literally on the payroll of Russian state media outlet RT.
Are we not going to mention this? It is a well-known fact that Vladimir Putin and the Russian government have, ever since Donald Trump launched his 2016 campaign, engaged in influence operations in order to influence United States politics in favor of the Republican Party. Having Joe Biden’s accuser turn out to be a Russian agent takes a pretty big dip into her own credibility—or, really, lack thereof—and I think it very much ought to be mentioned, at least a tad bit.
EDIT: I redact my allegation that Reade is a Russian “agent”. I redact nothing else, though. Mcleanm302 ( talk) 20:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
REQUEST FOR REDACTION. Reade did not "defect". According to Reade's interview with Megyn Kelly she was in Moscow working on the translation of her book into Russian and book-PR matters, when she was notified by someone with intelligence contacts that she was on an Interpol Red Notice list, and could be expected to be detained on the way home to the U.S. or in the U.S. on-return. She could have requested asylum on grounds of political persecution, instead, she asked for expedited citizenship. The Webster definition of "defection" is "when a person leaves their home country in a way the home country claims to be illegal. To the first country, they can be seen as traitors. It is a political label used by authoritarian countries. More broadly, it involves abandoning a person, cause, or doctrine to which one is bound by some tie.". There's no U.S. claim of illegal departure by Reade. Hence no defection. She's notably NOT renouncing her U.S. citizenship.
According to Reade, there's a sealed indictment about her, in the hands of the USDOJ. She feels politically persecuted, on grounds that she criticized the sitting President/former Senator.
Reade did not flee justice. Hence no defection. BlueSapphires ( talk) 09:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
"She stopped short of saying she was formally defecting and renouncing her U.S. citizenship."Politrukki ( talk) 12:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
"she shared publicly that she was defecting to the country".Can you provide evidence that sources predominantly say "defected"? If not, we're having a major NPOV problem, which is also a BLP problem because all material about living persons must strictly adhere to neutral point of view.If the defection claim is treated as an allegation, as it probably should, we should also include Reade's denial per PUBLICFIGURE. Politrukki ( talk) 14:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
'Reade told the Associated Press that her complaint to the Senate personnel office was about "retaliation" and "him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable", with no explicit mention of sexual assault or sexual harassment.' is blatantly incorrect. Not only do we not have the senate complaint, but her claims about the comment regarding her legs absolutely constitutes sexual harassment assuming they are true. Lets not go making claims about the contents of a document we haven't seen now. 2601:2C4:4600:B4D0:B5FD:5008:CD8C:90FC ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Tara Reade, the former Senate staffer who alleges Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, says she filed a limited report with a congressional personnel office that did not explicitly accuse him of sexual assault or harassment.We go by what WP:RS say. Is there a better way for us to word it? – Muboshgu ( talk) 15:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
It seems odd this article only focuses so much attention on the Tara Reade allegations, when there are 7 credible accusations against Biden.
Summary of allegations so far:
1) Lucy Flores https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/29/lucy-flores-joe-biden-1244361 (forced kissing)
2) D. J. Hill https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html (hand sliding down back)
3) Caitlyn Caruso https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html (unwanted grabbing thigh)
4) Ally Coll https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (uncomfortable workplace touching)
5) Sofie Krasek https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (uncomfortable workplace touching)
6) Vail Kohnert-Yount https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (inappropriate workplace holding faces together; calling 'pretty girl')
It seems like there's only 1 line in the main page devoted to all of these, and of course this page only deals with Reade allegations.
I propose updating this page to include all 7.
Does anyone disagree and think instead the main page should include a longer section about the multiple allegations? ScottDNelson ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Saw that my edit covering Reade's claim of receiving death threats had been reverted due to "weakly sourced"; I'm posting here to propose adding additional sources to make it undoubtedly clear that it was Reade said:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/tara-reade-defects-russia-biden-intl/index.html#:~:text=Reade%20said%20she%20decided%20to,oath%20in%20Congress%20if%20asked.%E2%80%9D "Reade said she decided to come to Russia following death threats she received this year after she reiterated her accusations"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html "Ms. Reade said she faced a wave of criticism and death threats"
These are obviously well respected news organizations.
@ SPECIFICO FYI as you made the revert, wanted to give you time to review the above before I re-edit the article ScottDNelson ( talk) 19:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
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Today, Tara Reade officially defected to Russia, is seeking Russian citizenship, and is working with Kremlin allies to fast-track her citizenship process. I kid you not.
This also comes after at least five years of promoting an endless stream of pro-Putin, pro-Kremlin propaganda, and being literally on the payroll of Russian state media outlet RT.
Are we not going to mention this? It is a well-known fact that Vladimir Putin and the Russian government have, ever since Donald Trump launched his 2016 campaign, engaged in influence operations in order to influence United States politics in favor of the Republican Party. Having Joe Biden’s accuser turn out to be a Russian agent takes a pretty big dip into her own credibility—or, really, lack thereof—and I think it very much ought to be mentioned, at least a tad bit.
EDIT: I redact my allegation that Reade is a Russian “agent”. I redact nothing else, though. Mcleanm302 ( talk) 20:34, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
REQUEST FOR REDACTION. Reade did not "defect". According to Reade's interview with Megyn Kelly she was in Moscow working on the translation of her book into Russian and book-PR matters, when she was notified by someone with intelligence contacts that she was on an Interpol Red Notice list, and could be expected to be detained on the way home to the U.S. or in the U.S. on-return. She could have requested asylum on grounds of political persecution, instead, she asked for expedited citizenship. The Webster definition of "defection" is "when a person leaves their home country in a way the home country claims to be illegal. To the first country, they can be seen as traitors. It is a political label used by authoritarian countries. More broadly, it involves abandoning a person, cause, or doctrine to which one is bound by some tie.". There's no U.S. claim of illegal departure by Reade. Hence no defection. She's notably NOT renouncing her U.S. citizenship.
According to Reade, there's a sealed indictment about her, in the hands of the USDOJ. She feels politically persecuted, on grounds that she criticized the sitting President/former Senator.
Reade did not flee justice. Hence no defection. BlueSapphires ( talk) 09:15, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
"She stopped short of saying she was formally defecting and renouncing her U.S. citizenship."Politrukki ( talk) 12:34, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
"she shared publicly that she was defecting to the country".Can you provide evidence that sources predominantly say "defected"? If not, we're having a major NPOV problem, which is also a BLP problem because all material about living persons must strictly adhere to neutral point of view.If the defection claim is treated as an allegation, as it probably should, we should also include Reade's denial per PUBLICFIGURE. Politrukki ( talk) 14:42, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
'Reade told the Associated Press that her complaint to the Senate personnel office was about "retaliation" and "him wanting me to serve drinks because he liked my legs and thought I was pretty and it made me uncomfortable", with no explicit mention of sexual assault or sexual harassment.' is blatantly incorrect. Not only do we not have the senate complaint, but her claims about the comment regarding her legs absolutely constitutes sexual harassment assuming they are true. Lets not go making claims about the contents of a document we haven't seen now. 2601:2C4:4600:B4D0:B5FD:5008:CD8C:90FC ( talk) 14:55, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
Tara Reade, the former Senate staffer who alleges Joe Biden sexually assaulted her 27 years ago, says she filed a limited report with a congressional personnel office that did not explicitly accuse him of sexual assault or harassment.We go by what WP:RS say. Is there a better way for us to word it? – Muboshgu ( talk) 15:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
It seems odd this article only focuses so much attention on the Tara Reade allegations, when there are 7 credible accusations against Biden.
Summary of allegations so far:
1) Lucy Flores https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/29/lucy-flores-joe-biden-1244361 (forced kissing)
2) D. J. Hill https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html (hand sliding down back)
3) Caitlyn Caruso https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/02/us/politics/joe-biden-women-me-too.html (unwanted grabbing thigh)
4) Ally Coll https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (uncomfortable workplace touching)
5) Sofie Krasek https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (uncomfortable workplace touching)
6) Vail Kohnert-Yount https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/biden-says-hell-adjust-his-physical-behavior-as-three-more-women-come-forward/2019/04/03/94a2ed2c-5622-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html (inappropriate workplace holding faces together; calling 'pretty girl')
It seems like there's only 1 line in the main page devoted to all of these, and of course this page only deals with Reade allegations.
I propose updating this page to include all 7.
Does anyone disagree and think instead the main page should include a longer section about the multiple allegations? ScottDNelson ( talk) 03:59, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
Saw that my edit covering Reade's claim of receiving death threats had been reverted due to "weakly sourced"; I'm posting here to propose adding additional sources to make it undoubtedly clear that it was Reade said:
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics/tara-reade-defects-russia-biden-intl/index.html#:~:text=Reade%20said%20she%20decided%20to,oath%20in%20Congress%20if%20asked.%E2%80%9D "Reade said she decided to come to Russia following death threats she received this year after she reiterated her accusations"
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html "Ms. Reade said she faced a wave of criticism and death threats"
These are obviously well respected news organizations.
@ SPECIFICO FYI as you made the revert, wanted to give you time to review the above before I re-edit the article ScottDNelson ( talk) 19:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)