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First off, the unit and qualification badges aren't really decorations or awards (and the one from MACVSOG isn't even official). Second, the dates on many of these don't seem correct. Shriver would have had more than four campaign stars on the Vietnam Service Medal in all probability since he'd been in-country since 1966 or so. I also think we should trim the descriptions for each award...they're linked already so the verbiage isn't really needed (and doesn't line up with the practice in other articles). Intothat darkness 12:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I couldn't find a ribbon for the Vietnam service medal with 4 stars, you are correct he did in fact get 4 stars but there isn't an image for that. And what do you mean by trim the description? should we just cut the descriptions of each medal but leave the link to the wiki page?
TheTankman (
talk) 16:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- What's the source for the number of campaign stars? That count feels low to me based on his time in-country. And yes, we should just have the wikilinks to the pages. That's standard for articles like this.
Intothat
darkness 23:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my source it said that he had 3 bronze stars an 1 gold star on the Vietnam service medal.
TheTankman (
talk) 13:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again, what is that source? And those devices actually work out to eight or nine service medals, which sounds closer for his time in-country.
Intothat
darkness 14:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=SBVTimeLine&type=Person&ID=68593
TheTankman (
talk) 17:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- The challenge with this is it's user-created and not subject to RS verification. I suspect most of it's correct, but we'd need something more solid to support it. The major decorations (silver star, bronze star) are listed in RS so they're easy enough to verify.
Intothat
darkness 00:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are some other sources of the awards on the article I put. I tried searching for other sources many times but I couldn't find anything other than the ones already on the article. TheTankman ( talk) 07:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- The challenge with this is it's user-created and not subject to RS verification. I suspect most of it's correct, but we'd need something more solid to support it. The major decorations (silver star, bronze star) are listed in RS so they're easy enough to verify.
Intothat
darkness 00:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=SBVTimeLine&type=Person&ID=68593
TheTankman (
talk) 17:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again, what is that source? And those devices actually work out to eight or nine service medals, which sounds closer for his time in-country.
Intothat
darkness 14:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my source it said that he had 3 bronze stars an 1 gold star on the Vietnam service medal.
TheTankman (
talk) 13:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- What's the source for the number of campaign stars? That count feels low to me based on his time in-country. And yes, we should just have the wikilinks to the pages. That's standard for articles like this.
Intothat
darkness 23:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Where did the information which claims that shriver disappeared in Cambodia come from? I researched it and it says that he disappeared in Laos (coordinates: 16° 50' 48" N 106° 31' 58" E). So which location is right? TheTankman ( talk) 16:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll go through my sources, but as I recall it was in Cambodia.
Intothat
darkness 23:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- According to Moore (p295) Shriver went missing on a BDA mission in Cambodia on 24 April. Plaster says the same thing (p234), claiming the mission was a BDA into Cambodia and that the supposed target of the B-52 strike was COSVN (14 miles SE of Memot). Shirver was leading a CCS Hatchet Force on the mission.
Intothat
darkness 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was able to find a more exact location of his disappearance, according to this source: https://www.macvsog.cc/shriver,_jerry.htm the area of disappearance was "14 miles southeast of Memot, Cambodia; 20 miles southeast of Quan Loi and 28 miles northeast of Tay Ninh, South Vietnam.", that area specifically is called "Choam" and "Choam Kravien" which is in the south part of the Memot District. So this might be the specific area of disappearance. TheTankman ( talk) 13:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- According to Moore (p295) Shriver went missing on a BDA mission in Cambodia on 24 April. Plaster says the same thing (p234), claiming the mission was a BDA into Cambodia and that the supposed target of the B-52 strike was COSVN (14 miles SE of Memot). Shirver was leading a CCS Hatchet Force on the mission.
Intothat
darkness 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
So far there have been a couple of copyright issues here, and the sourcing is kind of shaky as well. I'll be able to get at more of my RS in the next couple of weeks, so maybe major changes should be stopped until then. And we really need to focus on proper use of RS. Intothat darkness 01:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why was my last addition removed? I did not copy and paste it from the site.
TheTankman (
talk) 08:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't remove it, but I would guess the language used was just too close the original. I plan to go through this article once things settle down where I am and do some major work. The sections on Shriver's early service need some work, for example. He didn't start off with MACVSOG (no matter what that website might say...I doubt it's a sold RS in any case). Intothat darkness 12:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
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First off, the unit and qualification badges aren't really decorations or awards (and the one from MACVSOG isn't even official). Second, the dates on many of these don't seem correct. Shriver would have had more than four campaign stars on the Vietnam Service Medal in all probability since he'd been in-country since 1966 or so. I also think we should trim the descriptions for each award...they're linked already so the verbiage isn't really needed (and doesn't line up with the practice in other articles). Intothat darkness 12:15, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry I couldn't find a ribbon for the Vietnam service medal with 4 stars, you are correct he did in fact get 4 stars but there isn't an image for that. And what do you mean by trim the description? should we just cut the descriptions of each medal but leave the link to the wiki page?
TheTankman (
talk) 16:00, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- What's the source for the number of campaign stars? That count feels low to me based on his time in-country. And yes, we should just have the wikilinks to the pages. That's standard for articles like this.
Intothat
darkness 23:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my source it said that he had 3 bronze stars an 1 gold star on the Vietnam service medal.
TheTankman (
talk) 13:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again, what is that source? And those devices actually work out to eight or nine service medals, which sounds closer for his time in-country.
Intothat
darkness 14:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
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https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=SBVTimeLine&type=Person&ID=68593
TheTankman (
talk) 17:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- The challenge with this is it's user-created and not subject to RS verification. I suspect most of it's correct, but we'd need something more solid to support it. The major decorations (silver star, bronze star) are listed in RS so they're easy enough to verify.
Intothat
darkness 00:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- There are some other sources of the awards on the article I put. I tried searching for other sources many times but I couldn't find anything other than the ones already on the article. TheTankman ( talk) 07:33, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- The challenge with this is it's user-created and not subject to RS verification. I suspect most of it's correct, but we'd need something more solid to support it. The major decorations (silver star, bronze star) are listed in RS so they're easy enough to verify.
Intothat
darkness 00:08, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
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https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=SBVTimeLine&type=Person&ID=68593
TheTankman (
talk) 17:47, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Again, what is that source? And those devices actually work out to eight or nine service medals, which sounds closer for his time in-country.
Intothat
darkness 14:03, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- In my source it said that he had 3 bronze stars an 1 gold star on the Vietnam service medal.
TheTankman (
talk) 13:28, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- What's the source for the number of campaign stars? That count feels low to me based on his time in-country. And yes, we should just have the wikilinks to the pages. That's standard for articles like this.
Intothat
darkness 23:56, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
Where did the information which claims that shriver disappeared in Cambodia come from? I researched it and it says that he disappeared in Laos (coordinates: 16° 50' 48" N 106° 31' 58" E). So which location is right? TheTankman ( talk) 16:28, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- I'll go through my sources, but as I recall it was in Cambodia.
Intothat
darkness 23:55, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
- According to Moore (p295) Shriver went missing on a BDA mission in Cambodia on 24 April. Plaster says the same thing (p234), claiming the mission was a BDA into Cambodia and that the supposed target of the B-52 strike was COSVN (14 miles SE of Memot). Shirver was leading a CCS Hatchet Force on the mission.
Intothat
darkness 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
- I was able to find a more exact location of his disappearance, according to this source: https://www.macvsog.cc/shriver,_jerry.htm the area of disappearance was "14 miles southeast of Memot, Cambodia; 20 miles southeast of Quan Loi and 28 miles northeast of Tay Ninh, South Vietnam.", that area specifically is called "Choam" and "Choam Kravien" which is in the south part of the Memot District. So this might be the specific area of disappearance. TheTankman ( talk) 13:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- According to Moore (p295) Shriver went missing on a BDA mission in Cambodia on 24 April. Plaster says the same thing (p234), claiming the mission was a BDA into Cambodia and that the supposed target of the B-52 strike was COSVN (14 miles SE of Memot). Shirver was leading a CCS Hatchet Force on the mission.
Intothat
darkness 00:05, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
So far there have been a couple of copyright issues here, and the sourcing is kind of shaky as well. I'll be able to get at more of my RS in the next couple of weeks, so maybe major changes should be stopped until then. And we really need to focus on proper use of RS. Intothat darkness 01:45, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Why was my last addition removed? I did not copy and paste it from the site.
TheTankman (
talk) 08:25, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- I didn't remove it, but I would guess the language used was just too close the original. I plan to go through this article once things settle down where I am and do some major work. The sections on Shriver's early service need some work, for example. He didn't start off with MACVSOG (no matter what that website might say...I doubt it's a sold RS in any case). Intothat darkness 12:05, 26 March 2024 (UTC)