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I had never heard of jack chick until a few years ago, and now it seems he's fairly well known. Has his work received wider readership/interest for any reason? Meelar 00:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I've never heard of fark.com, but I've know about "Chick Tracts" and "Chick Comics" for about 25 years. Not at all a "southern" phenomenon. They were fairly well known in the conservative Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian culture of Western Pennsylvania (where I lived) and Central PA (where I attended college). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.240.28.152 ( talk)
Is there any NPOV way of noting how spectacularly stupid this guy is? :) -- Furrykef 19:53, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Jack Chick is spreading seeds of prejudice and hatred rather than soul winnng.He si really good at promoting traditional anti-catholicism in the form of tracts,comics and books.During the 19th Century and even up to the 1960s,anti-catholicism was part of American Protestant lifestyle.The King James Version is hard for someone who doesn't understand the English it uses and it is not the only PERFECT version. I like every Bible version because they all are God's Word. That is why we have the New International Version,New King James Version,The Living Bible,The Good News bible,The New Jerusalem Bible and etc. Jack Chick is a fool to believe such nonsense !Then there is that infamous and hated Alberto Rivera whose's views contradict history including Church History.Whoever or whatever Alberto was,he is a deceiver and false prophet.Then,there is the 'claim' that Islam was created by the Catholic Church.How can this be when they fought and killed each other during the Crusades and still oppose each other till today.Hitler was never a Catholic though his parents were and he hated both Catholics and Protestants and tried to replaced them with his Nazi Religion.No one is perfect including Protestants,for example Martin Luther the founder of the Reformation preached antisemitism and told his followers to persecute Jews. I might agree with him concerning Evolution and abortion but not with cATHOLICISM
I'm very surprised that there isn't more incisive information on this page about the characteristics of the strange, insane nightmare world Jack Chick lives in. I think more people, Christians and non-Christians alike, deserve to have identified to them specific examples of his incredibly warped perspective on the world. I'm a Christian myself, and honestly, Mr Chick is an incredible aggravator of anti-Christian sentiment. Adrianke77 05:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
In 1996, Jack Chick's website was elected the best Christian website
Elected by who?
It was Lola's mother who converted Chick to Christianity.
What was his religion before this?
As a "fundygelical" who "converted" or was "born again" about 22 years ago, I'll explain that yes, we believe that "you only need to accept Jesus to be saved." And when you make that conscious volitional choice to accept Jesus, you are "born again."
Is it worth adding in a note that at least a few people seem to think that he's a Catholic mocking the fundamentalists? -- Kadett 01:01, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Isn't the wording of the opening paragraph just a bit lacking in the NPOV department? "Anti-Roman Catholic" implies some agenda against RC *people*; might it not be better to say "Anti-Roman Catholicism," showing his argument is with the belief system? Also, isn't "homophobic" a "loaded" term?
When did he start to publish his tracts? AxelBoldt 20:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Most of the wikipedia article relating to dispensationalism rang true for Chick, however, the quote on the antichrist did not: "By consistently teaching that the Beast of Revelation, or the Antichrist, is a political leader, dispensationalism has weakened the traditional Reformation-era identification of that figure with the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. Dispensationalism has led many evangelical Christians of the USA to temper their traditional anti-Catholicism, at least a little."
Chick has repeatedly made claims that the Catholic church is the whore of babylon, and that at the end of times, the Pope will be the anti-christ. -- Havermayer 01:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to inlude mention of similarities between Jack Chick's views and the Book THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop. Most 20th Century Anti-Catholicism movements revere that book. Chick's tracts repeat many of Hislops accusations almost word for word. (LisaPollison 1/17/06)
I was confused for a moment when I read this article and it said "After his marriage, he began working at the AstroScience Corporation etc." Shouldn't it say "After his wedding" or something? Because to me marriage is the entire period that you are married to someone, but if he did all this AFTER his marriage this would imply he split from his wife Lola somewhere in the 60s or so, doesn't it? Yet the article later indicates that he stayed with his wife until his death in 1998. Or am I misinterpreting this word? At any rate, it's rather confusing and maybe "wedding" would be a better choice of word. -- Little-quiqueg 18:17, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The image of Jack Chick was drawn by Jimmy Akin, who never gave permission for its use and who retains the rights to the drawing. Proof: http://www.jimmyakin.org/2005/04/happy_birthday_.html
I emailed Jimmy Akin, and he answered me this :
It's okay with me if Wikipedia uses it, though it is not a public domain image, and I want to retain the right to insist that it be pulled at some future point if I deem it necessary.
hence, wikipedia has his permission to use it. Wedineinheck 07:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I think placing the Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art in a Pro-Chick category is a huge stretch. It's hard to say it's anti-Chick, since it also supports his right to free speech, but the site contains a gigantic repository of tract reviews that pick apart almost every tract ever published. The "fan club" is an obvious spoof club, what with the "Get Out of Hell Free" card you get.
I would put this in the "Relatively Neutral" category myself. Rebochan 17:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted most of JohanL's changes. First, the spelling of "theater" was changed to the British "theatre" in two places. First, I believe it against policy to make these changes except for the sake of consistency, but moreover this article is about an American so it makes sense to use the American spelling, especially for "Pasadena Playhouse School of Theater" where "Theatre" is actually wrong. Secondly, a profusion of superfluous links was added, most of which were not really related to this article and which hurt the flow and readibility of the article, detracting from the relevant links. In fact, looking at the current state of the article there are already far too many useless links. NTK 20:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Some time back, I came across a page that had a point-by-point refutation of Jack Chick's (in)famous Big Daddy comic - the anti-evolution one. I was trying to find the page again, but wasn't able to - does anyone know the page I'm talking about? If so, do you have a link? It would be much appreciated.
I don't think that these words conform to a NPOV. What do y'all think? On the other hand, I think that a summary of some of his tracts might help give a stronger impression of how wacked out this fellow is. Chip Unicorn 16:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
There really should be some mention of how a fair number of people enjoy Jack Chick's works solely for their preposterousness (the "Death Cookie", etc. etc.). AnonMoos 10:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
It's true that at least within Comic fandom, there is a subgenre of Chick fans who adore his tracts not for their Christian message but for their inadvertant comic content. Sadly, many of those same fans poo-poo the Anti-Catholic and Anti-semtic messages in those comics. It's a bit like telling a survivor of the Holocaust that they should read Mein Kampf because it's a "laugh riot!"
I've yet to meet an observant Jew or devout Catholic Comic fan who finds Chick's tracts very amusing. They may be out there, but I haven't come across them. I believe this speaks more to the continuing undercurrent of Anti-Catholicism and Anti-Semetism in American culture. People I know who would never use the 'N' word, think nothing of using the 'K' word or repeating some of Chick's assertions that Catholics and Masons are in it with "the Jews" to pave the way for a 'new World order.'
Like it or not, Jack Chick's tracts reveal a great deal about what is quietly held to be true by mainy 'mainstream' Christians.
(lisapollison 1/17/06)
Well, I'm (At least technically) Catholic, and I think that these things are a laugh riot, I mean, the pope=the antichrist? That's like saying Tab cola tastes better than fresca, it may be true, but nobody cares 67.160.39.151 06:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Obviously these things can be seriously offensive and hurtful if directed at someone personally but I've also seen their target audience thoughly enjoying laughing at them. I was first introduced to them on a pagan forum and I've actually gone on and read many of them myself, purely for humor value. As a biologist (well ok, final year biology student) I think my favourites are the ones on evolution, with Dungeons & Dragons a close second. I may be confusing Chicks site with another website but I seem to remember something about a zoo hidden in the Amazon rain forest where dinosaurs were collected so scientists could keep up the "myth" of evolution. Prehaps a section on the full range of possible reactions? Discuss the fact that many people are seriously offended and hurt by having these statements made about (and to) them, but also that many people including those the cartoons are directed at find them amusing. It would also answer one question thats bothered me since I first learned of Chicks work: Have these things ever, ever worked on anyone? Is there even a sigle case of someone falling to their knees and begging forgivness from Jesus after reading one of his cartoons? Danikat 20:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I like Chick. RichardT
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Canada has passed hate crime legislation, alternatingly referred to by the informal names "Fred Phelps Law" and "Jack Chick Law". Pure inuyasha 00:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
While I'm no fan of Jack Chick, I wouldn't say that [2] is taking a "relatively neutral" stance on his work. An excerpt from the page: "Who does Chick like? Well, apart form the gullible turkeys who shell out their hard-earned dolleros for this tripe, that’s a good question!". 80.202.102.215 21:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"Chick's cartoons depict delusional conspiracy theories featuring Satan, the Catholic Church, Communists, Muslims, rock musicians, scientists, and politicians, as well as other groups and subjects behind popular entertainment, (role playing) gaming, and other perceived ills of modern culture..." The word delusional, is POV, so I am removing it. Also there is a sentance that says, "chick has been considered anti-semitic," that's weasel-wording. It needs a source 88.154.158.42 15:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
"His new wife is considerably younger than he is, and Asian." Come on. Is that NPOV? Is it important? When I was at journalism school, I was taught that pointing out somebody's race was not required unless it was vital to the context of the story. Seems like just a disparaging attmept to call Jack Chick a dirty old man with a mail order bride. (I'm definitely not a Chick fan, but let's try and be professional!) -- Affentitten 23:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree - "considerably younger" is imprecise and therefore meaningless. 211.30.237.66 14:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The World Chick believes is out there is a place filled with godless scientists, demon possessed games, and vast conspiracies. Any amount of anything resembling research will show much of his claims to be out and out drivel if not outright fraud. As with many fundamentalists he takes quotes from the bible out of context and ignores any contradictions. For example Micah 6:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matt 24:45-51, Luke 19:8-9 all have good works as a path to salvation with NO mention given to faith.
I pruned a couple of large chunks of text (see below) from the 'Comics' section, now 'Publications'. There are already pages for Chick Publications, Claims by Chick Publications, and Alberto Rivera - let's use them, rather than duplicating and triplicating material here that should be on those pages. A lot of what remains should also be moved to those pages, but needs cleanup. In particular:
In each of the six comics, Dr. Alberto Rivera's character claims that the Vatican is behind many evil acts throughout history such as World War I and World War II. In the first comic Rivera claims that he was a Catholic priest and he tells how he left the Catholic Church. In the second comic "Double Cross," Rivera tells how he went to London and rescued his sister from a nunnery. In that comic, he also claims that the Vatican is trying to kill him. In "The Godfathers," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church founded Communism and Nazism and tried to destroy the Jews. In "The Force," Rivera's character claims that the Catholic Church is using Occult power to destroy the souls of Her followers. In "The Four Horsemen", Rivera claims that the Vatican persecuted Christians and is using organisations to do its work. In "The Prophet," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church helped start Islam to destroy the Jews so that the Vatican could move its headquarters to Jerusalem. (It should be noted that research by Christianity Today and other evangelical publications has revealed that Rivera was never ordained as a Catholic priest.) It should also be noted that the majority of evangelical Christians are either uncomfortable with, or adamently opposed to, both Chick's allegedly hate-filled message and his methods...
At least one tract has been changed after correspondence revealed Jack Chick had no evidence for the statement it contained. In 'The Death Cookie', Jack Chick describes the consecration of wafers in ancient Egypt. It contained the line 'They called this process transubstantiation'. After being pressed on the issue, the publishers contacted Jack and found that it had indeed been based on no verifiable evidence. The new tract now reads 'This is called transubstantiation'. -- Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
There's never been a photograph of him? THat's a huge claim to make, five seconds on google gives me http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Chick,%20Jack%20T..jpg at the very least ((c. 1920s, California-Alive). Christian Cartoonist. Had a conversion experience on his honeymoon, 1948.) Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a photograph of Chick taken at the Victory Baptist Church, it has now been removed from the website but I obtained a copy of it here http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=146273 If that copy is also removed, I have a copy on my hard-drive. Simon Rafe (Webmaster, Saint Michael's Media)
I've removed a number of external links, as they were becoming excessive. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a repository of links; the guidelines at WP:EL and the previous link point out that they should be kept at a representative minimum. Tijuana Brass 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC) The matter of what can be considered "excessive" comes into question. Taking into account the size of this article and the amount of controversy, a dozen or so anti-Chick links doesn't seem excessive, while a single link can hardly be "representative". I also fail to see how zero pro-Chick links could fit the definition of "representative". That collection of external links certainly doesn't "dwarf" the article, and each one contributes its own unique perspective, distinct from what is already covered in the article. -- Eldritch 06:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
These 1953-1955 single panel "Times Have Changed" cartoons were written by P. S. Clayton and drawn by Jack Chick. Sort of like a cross between "The Flintstones" and "B.C."---but older than both!
http://strippersguide.blogspot.com/2008/12/obscurity-of-day-times-have-changed.html
A mention of these single panel cartoons should be in this article, as they did appear in U.S. newspapers.
Google books has nearly 100 hits and Google news has a few. Benji boi 12:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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I removed this as unsupported but believe it's true and should be re-added with better writing and ref. "He also opposes both Christian and secular Rock Music, believing that it's pagan and will lead teenagers to hell." Benji boi 00:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for removing the Jack Chick quotes that said something like "god was using him to help other find the way" it was full of that quotes until recently. Good job, I appreciate it very much. Could anyone help me out with the Spanish article? I'm new at this and it's freaking me out, because every time I remove the vandalism, it comes again and I don't know how to lock the page. Thank you. Alejandro Alatorre Vargaslugo ( talk) 04:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The only cite for the statement about Chick being the most published author in the world is a bare assertion from Catholic Answers. If nobody can come up with better support for that statement I'm going to go ahead and remove it. — NRen2k5( TALK), 01:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the claims of "most-sold comic book author" or "500 million tracts" are accurate. Claims that large need better sources than the ones we have, especially on such a controversial subject. (For comparison, there have only been 400 million Harry Potter books sold.) -- Jedravent ( talk) 20:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Really? I've been to my fair share of 'third world' countries and I've never seen any tracts or heard his name mentioned. And I lived in a town which believes pretty much everything he does too for a year and never heard of him. 86.131.100.36 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
(remove indent) The key words there are "reliable sourced". Most of the information in Chick's own tracks is horrorable sourced in terms of reliability. Take "Big Daddy." for example which uses Kent Hovind (Panel 14) as a reference despite the fact the man got his post high school degrees (including his "doctorate") from unaccredited institutions and this is to back up the insane claim that KNM-ER 1470 was a "normal human skull" found in rock 212 million years old both of which are totally false (Leakey R.E. (1973) "Evidence for an advanced Plio-Pleistocene Hominid from East Rudolf, Kenya." Nature, 242:447-50). Then you have tracks like "Kiss the Protestants Good-bye" which make such insane black helicopter Illuminati-level conspiracy claims such as "All stops were pulled to block the book, "Alberto". Rome sent priests into every area of Spain to remove all records of Dr. Rivera's existence." (page 21) that Chick Publications doesn't even offer them anymore. No, the Chick articles have not be used as a WP:coatrack but rather people have been trying to put in links showing that the information in those tracks is most often than often totally wrong when it isn't misleading.-- BruceGrubb ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Wonder when he'll die? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.2.125 ( talk) 20:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Going over one of the sites critical of jack Chick I found that Hovind's claim of "It has never been against the law the teach the Bible or creation in public schools" are WRONG. Abington Township School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963) declared school sponsored reading of the Bible to be unconstitutional (ie against the law) and Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 U.S. 578 (1987) stated that teaching creationism in public schools was unconstitutional (ie against the law).
So what do we do when a reference Chick uses is factually wrong?-- BruceGrubb ( talk) 12:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Could we please get a real photo for the article? The cartoon isn't going to cut it. -- 98.232.188.173 ( talk) 08:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at the October 12, 1974 article in the PROGRESS BULLETIN, published in Pomona, California, which has a photograph of Jack Chick. The article is entitled "Cartoonist to Appear at Central." Here's the link: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/71733430 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.146.2 ( talk) 18:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
<<Many Catholic and Protestant organizations consider Chick to be intensely anti-Catholic, based on his various claims about the Roman Catholic Church.[46>> I think this sentence and the ones following it are kind of odd. The article uses the term anti-Catholic like it's a slur, but anyone who is Protestant is anti-Catholic. That's what it means to be Protestant. Is there a better way of getting whatever it is that we're trying to get across than using a neutral term as though it were a slur? 198.229.242.182 ( talk) 04:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
This article makes a claim about the possible identity of Chick and a recent edit inserted this speculation into the article. I nearly removed it outright; this is a WP:BLP and "exceptional claims require exceptional sources". I chose to leave it in for now, but clearly attributing the opinion to the author by name. I would welcome further opinions on the passage here. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm really confused if I'm actually in an edit war about this. Were there a medal for being anti-Catholic, Jack Chick would be sad if he didn't win it, according to everything I know about him. -- Kendrick7 talk 00:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I would have thought that the edit warriors would have backed down, or at least become open to a discussion on the merits, during, or even after, the recent page protection. Alas. -- Kendrick7 talk 06:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I have flagged this article to be vetted for NPOV.
Using a newspaper quote to condemn someone in the first paragraph of his bio seems very improper. Shouldn't the first paragraph be more definition-like and consist of FACTS?
If you want to include criticisms of a person, they should be grouped somewhere down below. And the criticisms should be balanced by praise (if any exists). We should see positive and negative views of the subject.
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Here's the discussion so far. I basically just think like things belong with like things, and by putting one man's opinion next to another man's definition, it suggests that opinion defines him. Seems incongruent and unduly weighted. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Of the 57 footnotes in this article almost 3/4 appear to be related to Chick publications in one form or other. Just saying. Mannanan51 ( talk) 04:40, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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Given Chick's advanced age, and changes in style and substance to recent tracts (and other works) is it not reasonable to at least consider that he has possibly died? If he had in fact died it is unlikely ever to be confirmed through official channels. Even if not Changed to say "deceased" is it not worth adding a note under age or to have a section referencing suspicions that he may have died and/or at least reference theories that "Jack T. Chick" was a pseudonym or has become a pseudonym in recent years Spikelops ( talk) 01:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@ RunnyAmiga: -- I'm not saying that this is because of @ Spikelops:'s thread, but it does seem that Chick actually did die less than a month after this discussion was made. My condolences to his loved ones. I will seek an appropriate source to ensure that this material is valid for inclusion. Alicb ( talk) 19:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kaleb70: Is that Facebook page verified? I don't even know if Facebook has anything like Twitter's blue badge but it might make a difference with whether or not this can be used as a source. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 20:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Is it not obvious that the whole Chick Mythos is a troll? It's parody. Do people not read Swift's A Modest Proposal in school anymore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.151.204 ( talk) 10:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I noticed the facebook death announcement http://www.facebook.com/chicktracts mentions a widow. But Lynn Chick died years ago. Anyone have more information on this to add? 172.58.73.253 ( talk) 20:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I think it would help to reorganize how we're presenting information about Chick and his work. Right now there are two articles (this and Chick tract) each trying to cover the same subject matter (Chick's work). I think it would be better to have this article focus on Jack Chick the person, and have another article about Chick Publications, covering the tracts and the other work published by that corporation (which is a separate entity, and likely to continue). The shortage of reliable information about Chick himself would mean that this article would be likewise short, referring the reader to the article about his publications to learn more about those and the views expressed in them. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 14:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I've been hearing pings through the interwebs that Chick is deceased now (probably tried to keep secret so us evil Catholics can't desecrate his body). I doubt we could get a source for it, but he is rather old, and people as reclusive as him tend to live shorter lives, so could we put a "possibly deceased" in the info box or a blurb in the article mentioning that he's such a recluse that no one knows for sure? Or would that be a no no? Obviously, either way, we err on the side of caution and still treat this like a BLP. Farsight001 ( talk) 23:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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I had never heard of jack chick until a few years ago, and now it seems he's fairly well known. Has his work received wider readership/interest for any reason? Meelar 00:16, 4 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I've never heard of fark.com, but I've know about "Chick Tracts" and "Chick Comics" for about 25 years. Not at all a "southern" phenomenon. They were fairly well known in the conservative Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian culture of Western Pennsylvania (where I lived) and Central PA (where I attended college). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.240.28.152 ( talk)
Is there any NPOV way of noting how spectacularly stupid this guy is? :) -- Furrykef 19:53, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Jack Chick is spreading seeds of prejudice and hatred rather than soul winnng.He si really good at promoting traditional anti-catholicism in the form of tracts,comics and books.During the 19th Century and even up to the 1960s,anti-catholicism was part of American Protestant lifestyle.The King James Version is hard for someone who doesn't understand the English it uses and it is not the only PERFECT version. I like every Bible version because they all are God's Word. That is why we have the New International Version,New King James Version,The Living Bible,The Good News bible,The New Jerusalem Bible and etc. Jack Chick is a fool to believe such nonsense !Then there is that infamous and hated Alberto Rivera whose's views contradict history including Church History.Whoever or whatever Alberto was,he is a deceiver and false prophet.Then,there is the 'claim' that Islam was created by the Catholic Church.How can this be when they fought and killed each other during the Crusades and still oppose each other till today.Hitler was never a Catholic though his parents were and he hated both Catholics and Protestants and tried to replaced them with his Nazi Religion.No one is perfect including Protestants,for example Martin Luther the founder of the Reformation preached antisemitism and told his followers to persecute Jews. I might agree with him concerning Evolution and abortion but not with cATHOLICISM
I'm very surprised that there isn't more incisive information on this page about the characteristics of the strange, insane nightmare world Jack Chick lives in. I think more people, Christians and non-Christians alike, deserve to have identified to them specific examples of his incredibly warped perspective on the world. I'm a Christian myself, and honestly, Mr Chick is an incredible aggravator of anti-Christian sentiment. Adrianke77 05:53, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
In 1996, Jack Chick's website was elected the best Christian website
Elected by who?
It was Lola's mother who converted Chick to Christianity.
What was his religion before this?
As a "fundygelical" who "converted" or was "born again" about 22 years ago, I'll explain that yes, we believe that "you only need to accept Jesus to be saved." And when you make that conscious volitional choice to accept Jesus, you are "born again."
Is it worth adding in a note that at least a few people seem to think that he's a Catholic mocking the fundamentalists? -- Kadett 01:01, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Isn't the wording of the opening paragraph just a bit lacking in the NPOV department? "Anti-Roman Catholic" implies some agenda against RC *people*; might it not be better to say "Anti-Roman Catholicism," showing his argument is with the belief system? Also, isn't "homophobic" a "loaded" term?
When did he start to publish his tracts? AxelBoldt 20:19, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Most of the wikipedia article relating to dispensationalism rang true for Chick, however, the quote on the antichrist did not: "By consistently teaching that the Beast of Revelation, or the Antichrist, is a political leader, dispensationalism has weakened the traditional Reformation-era identification of that figure with the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church with the Whore of Babylon. Dispensationalism has led many evangelical Christians of the USA to temper their traditional anti-Catholicism, at least a little."
Chick has repeatedly made claims that the Catholic church is the whore of babylon, and that at the end of times, the Pope will be the anti-christ. -- Havermayer 01:20, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
It might be appropriate to inlude mention of similarities between Jack Chick's views and the Book THE TWO BABYLONS by Alexander Hislop. Most 20th Century Anti-Catholicism movements revere that book. Chick's tracts repeat many of Hislops accusations almost word for word. (LisaPollison 1/17/06)
I was confused for a moment when I read this article and it said "After his marriage, he began working at the AstroScience Corporation etc." Shouldn't it say "After his wedding" or something? Because to me marriage is the entire period that you are married to someone, but if he did all this AFTER his marriage this would imply he split from his wife Lola somewhere in the 60s or so, doesn't it? Yet the article later indicates that he stayed with his wife until his death in 1998. Or am I misinterpreting this word? At any rate, it's rather confusing and maybe "wedding" would be a better choice of word. -- Little-quiqueg 18:17, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
The image of Jack Chick was drawn by Jimmy Akin, who never gave permission for its use and who retains the rights to the drawing. Proof: http://www.jimmyakin.org/2005/04/happy_birthday_.html
I emailed Jimmy Akin, and he answered me this :
It's okay with me if Wikipedia uses it, though it is not a public domain image, and I want to retain the right to insist that it be pulled at some future point if I deem it necessary.
hence, wikipedia has his permission to use it. Wedineinheck 07:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I think placing the Jack Chick Museum of Fine Art in a Pro-Chick category is a huge stretch. It's hard to say it's anti-Chick, since it also supports his right to free speech, but the site contains a gigantic repository of tract reviews that pick apart almost every tract ever published. The "fan club" is an obvious spoof club, what with the "Get Out of Hell Free" card you get.
I would put this in the "Relatively Neutral" category myself. Rebochan 17:19, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
I have reverted most of JohanL's changes. First, the spelling of "theater" was changed to the British "theatre" in two places. First, I believe it against policy to make these changes except for the sake of consistency, but moreover this article is about an American so it makes sense to use the American spelling, especially for "Pasadena Playhouse School of Theater" where "Theatre" is actually wrong. Secondly, a profusion of superfluous links was added, most of which were not really related to this article and which hurt the flow and readibility of the article, detracting from the relevant links. In fact, looking at the current state of the article there are already far too many useless links. NTK 20:01, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Some time back, I came across a page that had a point-by-point refutation of Jack Chick's (in)famous Big Daddy comic - the anti-evolution one. I was trying to find the page again, but wasn't able to - does anyone know the page I'm talking about? If so, do you have a link? It would be much appreciated.
I don't think that these words conform to a NPOV. What do y'all think? On the other hand, I think that a summary of some of his tracts might help give a stronger impression of how wacked out this fellow is. Chip Unicorn 16:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
There really should be some mention of how a fair number of people enjoy Jack Chick's works solely for their preposterousness (the "Death Cookie", etc. etc.). AnonMoos 10:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
It's true that at least within Comic fandom, there is a subgenre of Chick fans who adore his tracts not for their Christian message but for their inadvertant comic content. Sadly, many of those same fans poo-poo the Anti-Catholic and Anti-semtic messages in those comics. It's a bit like telling a survivor of the Holocaust that they should read Mein Kampf because it's a "laugh riot!"
I've yet to meet an observant Jew or devout Catholic Comic fan who finds Chick's tracts very amusing. They may be out there, but I haven't come across them. I believe this speaks more to the continuing undercurrent of Anti-Catholicism and Anti-Semetism in American culture. People I know who would never use the 'N' word, think nothing of using the 'K' word or repeating some of Chick's assertions that Catholics and Masons are in it with "the Jews" to pave the way for a 'new World order.'
Like it or not, Jack Chick's tracts reveal a great deal about what is quietly held to be true by mainy 'mainstream' Christians.
(lisapollison 1/17/06)
Well, I'm (At least technically) Catholic, and I think that these things are a laugh riot, I mean, the pope=the antichrist? That's like saying Tab cola tastes better than fresca, it may be true, but nobody cares 67.160.39.151 06:02, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Obviously these things can be seriously offensive and hurtful if directed at someone personally but I've also seen their target audience thoughly enjoying laughing at them. I was first introduced to them on a pagan forum and I've actually gone on and read many of them myself, purely for humor value. As a biologist (well ok, final year biology student) I think my favourites are the ones on evolution, with Dungeons & Dragons a close second. I may be confusing Chicks site with another website but I seem to remember something about a zoo hidden in the Amazon rain forest where dinosaurs were collected so scientists could keep up the "myth" of evolution. Prehaps a section on the full range of possible reactions? Discuss the fact that many people are seriously offended and hurt by having these statements made about (and to) them, but also that many people including those the cartoons are directed at find them amusing. It would also answer one question thats bothered me since I first learned of Chicks work: Have these things ever, ever worked on anyone? Is there even a sigle case of someone falling to their knees and begging forgivness from Jesus after reading one of his cartoons? Danikat 20:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I like Chick. RichardT
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Canada has passed hate crime legislation, alternatingly referred to by the informal names "Fred Phelps Law" and "Jack Chick Law". Pure inuyasha 00:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
While I'm no fan of Jack Chick, I wouldn't say that [2] is taking a "relatively neutral" stance on his work. An excerpt from the page: "Who does Chick like? Well, apart form the gullible turkeys who shell out their hard-earned dolleros for this tripe, that’s a good question!". 80.202.102.215 21:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"Chick's cartoons depict delusional conspiracy theories featuring Satan, the Catholic Church, Communists, Muslims, rock musicians, scientists, and politicians, as well as other groups and subjects behind popular entertainment, (role playing) gaming, and other perceived ills of modern culture..." The word delusional, is POV, so I am removing it. Also there is a sentance that says, "chick has been considered anti-semitic," that's weasel-wording. It needs a source 88.154.158.42 15:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
"His new wife is considerably younger than he is, and Asian." Come on. Is that NPOV? Is it important? When I was at journalism school, I was taught that pointing out somebody's race was not required unless it was vital to the context of the story. Seems like just a disparaging attmept to call Jack Chick a dirty old man with a mail order bride. (I'm definitely not a Chick fan, but let's try and be professional!) -- Affentitten 23:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I agree - "considerably younger" is imprecise and therefore meaningless. 211.30.237.66 14:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
The World Chick believes is out there is a place filled with godless scientists, demon possessed games, and vast conspiracies. Any amount of anything resembling research will show much of his claims to be out and out drivel if not outright fraud. As with many fundamentalists he takes quotes from the bible out of context and ignores any contradictions. For example Micah 6:8, Matthew 25:31-46, Matt 24:45-51, Luke 19:8-9 all have good works as a path to salvation with NO mention given to faith.
I pruned a couple of large chunks of text (see below) from the 'Comics' section, now 'Publications'. There are already pages for Chick Publications, Claims by Chick Publications, and Alberto Rivera - let's use them, rather than duplicating and triplicating material here that should be on those pages. A lot of what remains should also be moved to those pages, but needs cleanup. In particular:
In each of the six comics, Dr. Alberto Rivera's character claims that the Vatican is behind many evil acts throughout history such as World War I and World War II. In the first comic Rivera claims that he was a Catholic priest and he tells how he left the Catholic Church. In the second comic "Double Cross," Rivera tells how he went to London and rescued his sister from a nunnery. In that comic, he also claims that the Vatican is trying to kill him. In "The Godfathers," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church founded Communism and Nazism and tried to destroy the Jews. In "The Force," Rivera's character claims that the Catholic Church is using Occult power to destroy the souls of Her followers. In "The Four Horsemen", Rivera claims that the Vatican persecuted Christians and is using organisations to do its work. In "The Prophet," Rivera claims that the Catholic Church helped start Islam to destroy the Jews so that the Vatican could move its headquarters to Jerusalem. (It should be noted that research by Christianity Today and other evangelical publications has revealed that Rivera was never ordained as a Catholic priest.) It should also be noted that the majority of evangelical Christians are either uncomfortable with, or adamently opposed to, both Chick's allegedly hate-filled message and his methods...
At least one tract has been changed after correspondence revealed Jack Chick had no evidence for the statement it contained. In 'The Death Cookie', Jack Chick describes the consecration of wafers in ancient Egypt. It contained the line 'They called this process transubstantiation'. After being pressed on the issue, the publishers contacted Jack and found that it had indeed been based on no verifiable evidence. The new tract now reads 'This is called transubstantiation'. -- Calair 00:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
There's never been a photograph of him? THat's a huge claim to make, five seconds on google gives me http://www.havelshouseofhistory.com/Chick,%20Jack%20T..jpg at the very least ((c. 1920s, California-Alive). Christian Cartoonist. Had a conversion experience on his honeymoon, 1948.) Sherurcij ( talk) ( Terrorist Wikiproject) 16:05, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I have a photograph of Chick taken at the Victory Baptist Church, it has now been removed from the website but I obtained a copy of it here http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=146273 If that copy is also removed, I have a copy on my hard-drive. Simon Rafe (Webmaster, Saint Michael's Media)
I've removed a number of external links, as they were becoming excessive. Please keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a repository of links; the guidelines at WP:EL and the previous link point out that they should be kept at a representative minimum. Tijuana Brass 03:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC) The matter of what can be considered "excessive" comes into question. Taking into account the size of this article and the amount of controversy, a dozen or so anti-Chick links doesn't seem excessive, while a single link can hardly be "representative". I also fail to see how zero pro-Chick links could fit the definition of "representative". That collection of external links certainly doesn't "dwarf" the article, and each one contributes its own unique perspective, distinct from what is already covered in the article. -- Eldritch 06:44, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
These 1953-1955 single panel "Times Have Changed" cartoons were written by P. S. Clayton and drawn by Jack Chick. Sort of like a cross between "The Flintstones" and "B.C."---but older than both!
http://strippersguide.blogspot.com/2008/12/obscurity-of-day-times-have-changed.html
A mention of these single panel cartoons should be in this article, as they did appear in U.S. newspapers.
Google books has nearly 100 hits and Google news has a few. Benji boi 12:34, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
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I removed this as unsupported but believe it's true and should be re-added with better writing and ref. "He also opposes both Christian and secular Rock Music, believing that it's pagan and will lead teenagers to hell." Benji boi 00:40, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Thank you very much for removing the Jack Chick quotes that said something like "god was using him to help other find the way" it was full of that quotes until recently. Good job, I appreciate it very much. Could anyone help me out with the Spanish article? I'm new at this and it's freaking me out, because every time I remove the vandalism, it comes again and I don't know how to lock the page. Thank you. Alejandro Alatorre Vargaslugo ( talk) 04:43, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
The only cite for the statement about Chick being the most published author in the world is a bare assertion from Catholic Answers. If nobody can come up with better support for that statement I'm going to go ahead and remove it. — NRen2k5( TALK), 01:04, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think the claims of "most-sold comic book author" or "500 million tracts" are accurate. Claims that large need better sources than the ones we have, especially on such a controversial subject. (For comparison, there have only been 400 million Harry Potter books sold.) -- Jedravent ( talk) 20:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Really? I've been to my fair share of 'third world' countries and I've never seen any tracts or heard his name mentioned. And I lived in a town which believes pretty much everything he does too for a year and never heard of him. 86.131.100.36 ( talk) 01:39, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
(remove indent) The key words there are "reliable sourced". Most of the information in Chick's own tracks is horrorable sourced in terms of reliability. Take "Big Daddy." for example which uses Kent Hovind (Panel 14) as a reference despite the fact the man got his post high school degrees (including his "doctorate") from unaccredited institutions and this is to back up the insane claim that KNM-ER 1470 was a "normal human skull" found in rock 212 million years old both of which are totally false (Leakey R.E. (1973) "Evidence for an advanced Plio-Pleistocene Hominid from East Rudolf, Kenya." Nature, 242:447-50). Then you have tracks like "Kiss the Protestants Good-bye" which make such insane black helicopter Illuminati-level conspiracy claims such as "All stops were pulled to block the book, "Alberto". Rome sent priests into every area of Spain to remove all records of Dr. Rivera's existence." (page 21) that Chick Publications doesn't even offer them anymore. No, the Chick articles have not be used as a WP:coatrack but rather people have been trying to put in links showing that the information in those tracks is most often than often totally wrong when it isn't misleading.-- BruceGrubb ( talk) 23:32, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Wonder when he'll die? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.129.2.125 ( talk) 20:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
Going over one of the sites critical of jack Chick I found that Hovind's claim of "It has never been against the law the teach the Bible or creation in public schools" are WRONG. Abington Township School District v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 (1963) declared school sponsored reading of the Bible to be unconstitutional (ie against the law) and Edwards v. Aguillard, 482 U.S. 578 (1987) stated that teaching creationism in public schools was unconstitutional (ie against the law).
So what do we do when a reference Chick uses is factually wrong?-- BruceGrubb ( talk) 12:06, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Could we please get a real photo for the article? The cartoon isn't going to cut it. -- 98.232.188.173 ( talk) 08:10, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at the October 12, 1974 article in the PROGRESS BULLETIN, published in Pomona, California, which has a photograph of Jack Chick. The article is entitled "Cartoonist to Appear at Central." Here's the link: http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/71733430 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.190.146.2 ( talk) 18:03, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
<<Many Catholic and Protestant organizations consider Chick to be intensely anti-Catholic, based on his various claims about the Roman Catholic Church.[46>> I think this sentence and the ones following it are kind of odd. The article uses the term anti-Catholic like it's a slur, but anyone who is Protestant is anti-Catholic. That's what it means to be Protestant. Is there a better way of getting whatever it is that we're trying to get across than using a neutral term as though it were a slur? 198.229.242.182 ( talk) 04:18, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
This article makes a claim about the possible identity of Chick and a recent edit inserted this speculation into the article. I nearly removed it outright; this is a WP:BLP and "exceptional claims require exceptional sources". I chose to leave it in for now, but clearly attributing the opinion to the author by name. I would welcome further opinions on the passage here. Elizium23 ( talk) 05:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm really confused if I'm actually in an edit war about this. Were there a medal for being anti-Catholic, Jack Chick would be sad if he didn't win it, according to everything I know about him. -- Kendrick7 talk 00:10, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
I would have thought that the edit warriors would have backed down, or at least become open to a discussion on the merits, during, or even after, the recent page protection. Alas. -- Kendrick7 talk 06:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
I have flagged this article to be vetted for NPOV.
Using a newspaper quote to condemn someone in the first paragraph of his bio seems very improper. Shouldn't the first paragraph be more definition-like and consist of FACTS?
If you want to include criticisms of a person, they should be grouped somewhere down below. And the criticisms should be balanced by praise (if any exists). We should see positive and negative views of the subject.
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The reasons are as follows. Firstly, although I am assuming good faith, I do not know on what authority the man standing at the left is said to be Chick. Some caution has to be used, given that Chick is a recluse; I do not think it unreasonable to ask for more information. Secondly, I believe it is possible that the man on the left could be wearing a mask. The eyes, for instance, do not seem natural. The picture is of sufficiently poor quality that one cannot easily tell whether a mask is being worn or not. Finally, I believe that even if that image is of Chick, it is an inappropriate image to use in this article. It reflects the article subject in a less-than-serious light, and it doesn't seem neutral or appropriate to use it here. FreeKnowledgeCreator ( talk) 02:54, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
Here's the discussion so far. I basically just think like things belong with like things, and by putting one man's opinion next to another man's definition, it suggests that opinion defines him. Seems incongruent and unduly weighted. InedibleHulk (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
Of the 57 footnotes in this article almost 3/4 appear to be related to Chick publications in one form or other. Just saying. Mannanan51 ( talk) 04:40, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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Given Chick's advanced age, and changes in style and substance to recent tracts (and other works) is it not reasonable to at least consider that he has possibly died? If he had in fact died it is unlikely ever to be confirmed through official channels. Even if not Changed to say "deceased" is it not worth adding a note under age or to have a section referencing suspicions that he may have died and/or at least reference theories that "Jack T. Chick" was a pseudonym or has become a pseudonym in recent years Spikelops ( talk) 01:53, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
@ RunnyAmiga: -- I'm not saying that this is because of @ Spikelops:'s thread, but it does seem that Chick actually did die less than a month after this discussion was made. My condolences to his loved ones. I will seek an appropriate source to ensure that this material is valid for inclusion. Alicb ( talk) 19:30, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
@ Kaleb70: Is that Facebook page verified? I don't even know if Facebook has anything like Twitter's blue badge but it might make a difference with whether or not this can be used as a source. RunnyAmiga ※ talk 20:16, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Is it not obvious that the whole Chick Mythos is a troll? It's parody. Do people not read Swift's A Modest Proposal in school anymore? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.151.204 ( talk) 10:40, 3 November 2015 (UTC)
I noticed the facebook death announcement http://www.facebook.com/chicktracts mentions a widow. But Lynn Chick died years ago. Anyone have more information on this to add? 172.58.73.253 ( talk) 20:37, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I think it would help to reorganize how we're presenting information about Chick and his work. Right now there are two articles (this and Chick tract) each trying to cover the same subject matter (Chick's work). I think it would be better to have this article focus on Jack Chick the person, and have another article about Chick Publications, covering the tracts and the other work published by that corporation (which is a separate entity, and likely to continue). The shortage of reliable information about Chick himself would mean that this article would be likewise short, referring the reader to the article about his publications to learn more about those and the views expressed in them. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 14:07, 25 October 2016 (UTC)
I've been hearing pings through the interwebs that Chick is deceased now (probably tried to keep secret so us evil Catholics can't desecrate his body). I doubt we could get a source for it, but he is rather old, and people as reclusive as him tend to live shorter lives, so could we put a "possibly deceased" in the info box or a blurb in the article mentioning that he's such a recluse that no one knows for sure? Or would that be a no no? Obviously, either way, we err on the side of caution and still treat this like a BLP. Farsight001 ( talk) 23:05, 11 March 2010 (UTC)