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Sitting Bull (film) cites Iron Eyes Cody as an actor. Should that be included in the filmography here? Treethinker ( talk) 01:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Didn't it ultimately come to light that this person was not, in fact, a Native American? If he was, this article could use some fleshing out re: his heritage.
No, he was a Cherokee.
Hey, you guys, sign your stuff. Anyway, it appears from http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/ironeyes.htm that he was not a Native American until he decided to become one early in his adulthood, and he never looked back. That is worthy of respect and has precedents. Hmmm. ;Bear 19:06, 2004 Jul 20 (UTC)
It seems to me that there is significant reason to be suspicious of either side here. One news article claims that, for instance, there was an ongoing dispute between Cody and half-sister-- who herself appears a decade younger. We have largely only secondary and tertiary sources; at best, one could say strong questions about Cody's ancestry have been raised. On this basis, I will weaken the final sentence of the first paragraph, which seem to me, just too declarative. KenThomas ( talk) 04:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding his and the cited many others, claimed origin as Cherokee-Cree, my guess is that "Cree" should read "Creek" since Crees are from Canada while Creeks lived close to the Cherokees. As he is actually Italian it makes little difference I guess. But Cree and Creek are two very different cultures. (User: Dresdin Archibald)
The birth date given at the top of the article and the birth year category don't match. Which one is right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.64.176.214 ( talk) 01:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
That he comes up so much in popular culture is significant. I'd love to get that list back in, but you're right, there should be citations. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why should the official video link be removed? I don't understand why an official link to the official site should be removed while someone who wants hits on google video should stay. -- blm07 01:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
The man lived and died as a Native American for godssake! If he lived and died as a Native American and was accepted as such by his tribe, then he has every right to be listed as a Native American just as people of only Hindu ancestry have every right to consider themselves, and be grouped on Wikipedia as, English. The Mummy ( talk) 21:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
You are confusing heritage and religion. We "Native Americans" don't decide one day to switch from being Ojibway to being Cree. You are born Ojibway. It's a culture, not a religion. Iron Eyes Cody was Italian, period. Whether or not he was accepted by a community doesn't change the fact that he's Italian. We accept many non-native people's into our communities but that does NOT allow them to call themselves Indians. He should NOT be listed as one. Just because you like our culture or think it's cool, doesn't give you a free pass to assimilate our culture and use it to benefit yourself as he so clearly did. Who would have hired him as an Italian actor? He obviously benefitted greatly from claiming a fake heritage so he also deserves to be labelled a fraud as obtaining financial gain through misrepresentation of ones race is a clear cut case of fraud, regardless of whether an action was started or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.249.27 ( talk) 15:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
What about impersonator or imposter? He is already listed as the latter. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 07:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
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I was shocked to see in the credits of Unconquered (1947 film), him listed as Indian language advisor. It seems to me this is an example of just how far Hollywood was taken in by his charade. I think it’s something that should be in the article - Would it be acceptable to use the credits of the film as a source? Dlabtot ( talk) 08:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
As a wikinoob, not confident about making edits to the actual page. I'm making note of the claim that the "Crying Indian" add was effective in reducing litter by 88%. The cited source leads nowhere. Also, there are sources (e.g.: https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-indian-crying-environment-ads-pollution-1123-20171113-story.html ) suggesting that that campaign was not effective in that it unloaded responsibility for disposable food packaging waste from the manufacturers onto the consumers—a planned effort along the lines of "guns don't kill, people do." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cappycollins ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I would love to see, with appropriate documentation, a mention of his appearance in the above. I know it to have been the case, as I was there, and he drew the second-biggest crowd reaction of the day to that of Reagan himself. If anyone has a reliable source for this, such as a daily paper from the next day (January 21, 1981), then it very much needs to be included in the article. 2600:1004:B14D:D5E9:0:48:BD90:5C01 ( talk) 15:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
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Sitting Bull (film) cites Iron Eyes Cody as an actor. Should that be included in the filmography here? Treethinker ( talk) 01:39, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Didn't it ultimately come to light that this person was not, in fact, a Native American? If he was, this article could use some fleshing out re: his heritage.
No, he was a Cherokee.
Hey, you guys, sign your stuff. Anyway, it appears from http://www.snopes.com/movies/actors/ironeyes.htm that he was not a Native American until he decided to become one early in his adulthood, and he never looked back. That is worthy of respect and has precedents. Hmmm. ;Bear 19:06, 2004 Jul 20 (UTC)
It seems to me that there is significant reason to be suspicious of either side here. One news article claims that, for instance, there was an ongoing dispute between Cody and half-sister-- who herself appears a decade younger. We have largely only secondary and tertiary sources; at best, one could say strong questions about Cody's ancestry have been raised. On this basis, I will weaken the final sentence of the first paragraph, which seem to me, just too declarative. KenThomas ( talk) 04:28, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Regarding his and the cited many others, claimed origin as Cherokee-Cree, my guess is that "Cree" should read "Creek" since Crees are from Canada while Creeks lived close to the Cherokees. As he is actually Italian it makes little difference I guess. But Cree and Creek are two very different cultures. (User: Dresdin Archibald)
The birth date given at the top of the article and the birth year category don't match. Which one is right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 77.64.176.214 ( talk) 01:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC).
That he comes up so much in popular culture is significant. I'd love to get that list back in, but you're right, there should be citations. Kingturtle ( talk) 19:13, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Why should the official video link be removed? I don't understand why an official link to the official site should be removed while someone who wants hits on google video should stay. -- blm07 01:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
The man lived and died as a Native American for godssake! If he lived and died as a Native American and was accepted as such by his tribe, then he has every right to be listed as a Native American just as people of only Hindu ancestry have every right to consider themselves, and be grouped on Wikipedia as, English. The Mummy ( talk) 21:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
You are confusing heritage and religion. We "Native Americans" don't decide one day to switch from being Ojibway to being Cree. You are born Ojibway. It's a culture, not a religion. Iron Eyes Cody was Italian, period. Whether or not he was accepted by a community doesn't change the fact that he's Italian. We accept many non-native people's into our communities but that does NOT allow them to call themselves Indians. He should NOT be listed as one. Just because you like our culture or think it's cool, doesn't give you a free pass to assimilate our culture and use it to benefit yourself as he so clearly did. Who would have hired him as an Italian actor? He obviously benefitted greatly from claiming a fake heritage so he also deserves to be labelled a fraud as obtaining financial gain through misrepresentation of ones race is a clear cut case of fraud, regardless of whether an action was started or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.249.27 ( talk) 15:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
What about impersonator or imposter? He is already listed as the latter. I like to saw logs! ( talk) 07:15, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
References
I was shocked to see in the credits of Unconquered (1947 film), him listed as Indian language advisor. It seems to me this is an example of just how far Hollywood was taken in by his charade. I think it’s something that should be in the article - Would it be acceptable to use the credits of the film as a source? Dlabtot ( talk) 08:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
As a wikinoob, not confident about making edits to the actual page. I'm making note of the claim that the "Crying Indian" add was effective in reducing litter by 88%. The cited source leads nowhere. Also, there are sources (e.g.: https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-perspec-indian-crying-environment-ads-pollution-1123-20171113-story.html ) suggesting that that campaign was not effective in that it unloaded responsibility for disposable food packaging waste from the manufacturers onto the consumers—a planned effort along the lines of "guns don't kill, people do." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cappycollins ( talk • contribs) 19:36, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
I would love to see, with appropriate documentation, a mention of his appearance in the above. I know it to have been the case, as I was there, and he drew the second-biggest crowd reaction of the day to that of Reagan himself. If anyone has a reliable source for this, such as a daily paper from the next day (January 21, 1981), then it very much needs to be included in the article. 2600:1004:B14D:D5E9:0:48:BD90:5C01 ( talk) 15:46, 28 June 2023 (UTC)