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I propose to merge West Virginia Turnpike into Interstate 77 in West Virginia. All of the WV Turnpike is concurrent with I-77, and the "Tolls" and "History" section of this article are both nearly empty. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 13:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC) @ Dough4872, Imzadi1979, and Morriswa:
Only from Charleston to Beckley is the tpk I-64. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 15:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC) 15:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Merging I-77 and the West Virginia Turnpike information is very confusing. Reading through, I couldn't tell if I was reading about I-77 or just the Turnpike. I feel like paragraphs were just copied without regard from one page to the other.
The Turnpike (West Virginia Parkways Authority) is its own state division from I-77 (taken care of and managed by WVDOH).
Topics like the bonds make me feel like the bonds covered the entire stretch of I-77 within West Virginia when, in fact, only supports the West Virginia Turnpike road projects, not WVDOH projects on Interstate 77. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nesargent ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
This is just an article about the Turnpike. Where's the history about the stretch between Parkersburg and Charleston? What about the section of US 21 it replaced? What about US 21 at *all*? DarkAudit ( talk) 05:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
And don't forget the Turnpike ends at Princeton, and I-77 is free from there south to Virginia border. Carlm0404 ( talk) 04:48, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The merger between West Virginia Turnpike and this article should be reverted and the two articles split into their own pages. In addition to the two comments above this section indicating that the merge is confusing, the West Virginia Turnpike is its own distinct entity from I-77 in West Virginia. Sure, the I-77 designation overlaps the Turnpike today, but the history of I-77 in West Virginia is not the same as the history of the West Virginia Turnpike, since the Pike was built long before the Interstate Highway System. The West Virginia Turnpike needs its own article to discuss its construction and history pre-Interstate era, and also how it ended up being grandfathered into the Interstate Highway System despite having tolls and still several substandard curves and other features. Merging and redirecting this would be like merging and redirecting the Pennsylvania Turnpike into I-76 in Pennsylvania, since, save for the relatively short I-276 Delaware Extension, all of the mainline PA Turnpike uses I-76 in PA. But the PA Turnpike is a complete distinct entity from I-76 in PA, the latter of which also includes the Schuykill Expressway. It therefore has its own article. So should this. 2601:187:4581:7F50:50B4:B22F:A194:DC28 ( talk) 01:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
There are similar issues to this one scattered around. Here's a handful of what I've found:
I will say for reference that Connecticut Turnpike, New York State Thruway, and Kansas Turnpike are perfect examples of what these articles should look like, with a separate article on the Turnpike and separate articles for the various Interstate highway components, which also cover their free sections. 2601:187:4581:7F50:50B4:B22F:A194:DC28 ( talk) 01:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm not making my thinking and methodology clear, since people still seem to be kind of circling around my point but not actually hitting my point. Let me try to make this clearer.
In essence, my thinking is that if the answer to both Is all of Turnpike X part of Interstate Y? and Is all of Interstate Y in state Z part of Turnpike X? is "Yes", then only one article is needed. If the answer to either or both questions is "No", at least two sections, preferably two articles, are needed. 2601:187:4581:7F50:1555:1F6:23A:AF0A ( talk) 22:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
|-----------------------------Route X---------------------------------|
|---------------Route Y--------------|
then we only need one article: Route X. If necessary, the history can discuss Route Y separately from the rest of Route X (see Interstate 476 or Delaware Route 1 for examples), but I do not believe such a scenario requires separate articles for Route X and Route Y. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 23:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
It seems that the majority of others are against me. Fine. I hereby withdraw this proposal. However, I do support the suggestion made above about splitting the history into two separate sections. I believe that the history of the West Virginia Turnpike (and all of its subsections) should be separated from the history of I-77 north of Charleston. Perhaps this should become the standard elsewhere too where similar situations exist. 2601:187:4581:7F50:58C8:7D7D:4F01:CA18 ( talk) 14:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, it says that traffic outgrew the 2-lane turnpike, and Interstate standards needed to be brought to that road. Somewhere (not here?), I recall reading of the problem of drivers who were familiar with other turnpike, which were already divided highways. Carlm0404 ( talk) 04:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
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I propose to merge West Virginia Turnpike into Interstate 77 in West Virginia. All of the WV Turnpike is concurrent with I-77, and the "Tolls" and "History" section of this article are both nearly empty. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 13:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC) @ Dough4872, Imzadi1979, and Morriswa:
Only from Charleston to Beckley is the tpk I-64. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 15:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC) 15:38, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Merging I-77 and the West Virginia Turnpike information is very confusing. Reading through, I couldn't tell if I was reading about I-77 or just the Turnpike. I feel like paragraphs were just copied without regard from one page to the other.
The Turnpike (West Virginia Parkways Authority) is its own state division from I-77 (taken care of and managed by WVDOH).
Topics like the bonds make me feel like the bonds covered the entire stretch of I-77 within West Virginia when, in fact, only supports the West Virginia Turnpike road projects, not WVDOH projects on Interstate 77. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nesargent ( talk • contribs) 18:49, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
This is just an article about the Turnpike. Where's the history about the stretch between Parkersburg and Charleston? What about the section of US 21 it replaced? What about US 21 at *all*? DarkAudit ( talk) 05:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
And don't forget the Turnpike ends at Princeton, and I-77 is free from there south to Virginia border. Carlm0404 ( talk) 04:48, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
The merger between West Virginia Turnpike and this article should be reverted and the two articles split into their own pages. In addition to the two comments above this section indicating that the merge is confusing, the West Virginia Turnpike is its own distinct entity from I-77 in West Virginia. Sure, the I-77 designation overlaps the Turnpike today, but the history of I-77 in West Virginia is not the same as the history of the West Virginia Turnpike, since the Pike was built long before the Interstate Highway System. The West Virginia Turnpike needs its own article to discuss its construction and history pre-Interstate era, and also how it ended up being grandfathered into the Interstate Highway System despite having tolls and still several substandard curves and other features. Merging and redirecting this would be like merging and redirecting the Pennsylvania Turnpike into I-76 in Pennsylvania, since, save for the relatively short I-276 Delaware Extension, all of the mainline PA Turnpike uses I-76 in PA. But the PA Turnpike is a complete distinct entity from I-76 in PA, the latter of which also includes the Schuykill Expressway. It therefore has its own article. So should this. 2601:187:4581:7F50:50B4:B22F:A194:DC28 ( talk) 01:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
There are similar issues to this one scattered around. Here's a handful of what I've found:
I will say for reference that Connecticut Turnpike, New York State Thruway, and Kansas Turnpike are perfect examples of what these articles should look like, with a separate article on the Turnpike and separate articles for the various Interstate highway components, which also cover their free sections. 2601:187:4581:7F50:50B4:B22F:A194:DC28 ( talk) 01:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps I'm not making my thinking and methodology clear, since people still seem to be kind of circling around my point but not actually hitting my point. Let me try to make this clearer.
In essence, my thinking is that if the answer to both Is all of Turnpike X part of Interstate Y? and Is all of Interstate Y in state Z part of Turnpike X? is "Yes", then only one article is needed. If the answer to either or both questions is "No", at least two sections, preferably two articles, are needed. 2601:187:4581:7F50:1555:1F6:23A:AF0A ( talk) 22:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
|-----------------------------Route X---------------------------------|
|---------------Route Y--------------|
then we only need one article: Route X. If necessary, the history can discuss Route Y separately from the rest of Route X (see Interstate 476 or Delaware Route 1 for examples), but I do not believe such a scenario requires separate articles for Route X and Route Y. Needforspeed888 ( talk) 23:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
It seems that the majority of others are against me. Fine. I hereby withdraw this proposal. However, I do support the suggestion made above about splitting the history into two separate sections. I believe that the history of the West Virginia Turnpike (and all of its subsections) should be separated from the history of I-77 north of Charleston. Perhaps this should become the standard elsewhere too where similar situations exist. 2601:187:4581:7F50:58C8:7D7D:4F01:CA18 ( talk) 14:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, it says that traffic outgrew the 2-lane turnpike, and Interstate standards needed to be brought to that road. Somewhere (not here?), I recall reading of the problem of drivers who were familiar with other turnpike, which were already divided highways. Carlm0404 ( talk) 04:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)