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I say put the two HTV logos on this page as a historical TV reference.
Due to the fact that HTV is in-theory non existant, I would split this article in two, ITV1 Wales and ITV1 West. HTV in my opinion by the end of this decade will cease in full (thats just my prediction). Also the HTV corporate website has ceased to exist.
Amlder20 21:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
On 29 December 2006, the following ITV companies officially changed their names:
See http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk and search under "ITV" - URL linking is not supported. So that signalled the death knell for HTV then. Marbles 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think now is the proper time to remove the "ITV Wales and West Ltd" names from here and set-up that new article. HTV has become the "old" station and has 'in-reality' ceased to exist. 82.11.221.164 23:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading the above comments I already suggested it before, last year as a matter of fact. I strongly think this article should be made in the past tense for HTV, a company that now clearly does not exist. Amlder20 23:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. HTV should be redirected to "ITV Wales and West Ltd". It's not the name of the company anymore, it's not the name(s) seen on screen, it just does not exist anymore. (January 9, 2007)
Why not have a vote on this issue, maybe it will help with public opinion, the choice? Should it remain HTV on Wikipedia or ITV Wales and West with HTV as a historical reference. Amlder20 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to the blurring of the roles of the former Westcountry and HTV West regions play within the current ITV West region, I believe that HTV should probably get its own page distinct from the ITV Wales and West page, which could take up the story from the point the HTV name disappeared from the screen.
However, this is such a grey area that any decision will be unsatifactory from some points of view. Kecske Bak 10:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hello people, I just wanted to know more about the HTV General Service, how it functioned alongside the West and Wales stations and why the General Service ceased? 82.11.221.164 22:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
HTV and ITV Wales and West are effectivly the same company.
no subsidary swaps or new company has been assigned to run the Wales and West Dual franchise
this is recognised on Companyhouse
Therefore HTV should stay in the article
though it does need tidying up
and HTV didn't disappear til 2006 legally -Anon (—Preceding
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The original said: HTV was in a unique position of being the only ITV company to serve two distinct countries (Wales and the west of England) and therefore two distinct languages and cultures, and had studios in Cardiff (built around an old farm house in Pontcanna) and Bristol (in Brislington).
Of course, this isn't true. It was not unique. Border Television served two countries (or three if you include the Isle of Man, which most Manx people would). Channel Television served more than two jurisdictions. Jersey and Guernsey would each describe themselves as countries. Alderney and Sark might too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.24.38 ( talk) 17:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I have moved all of teh information from this article into HTV, as they are exactly the same company, the only difference is that they are branded differently. The new HTV article has greater continuity and makes more sense. Rafmarham ( talk) 11:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I've 'mended' this page which was still set as a redirect to Talk:ITV Wales & West. Personally I would have said it would be 'cleaner' to move ITV Wales & West back to HTV but User:Kljones01 has set the ball rolling now which is a start (and consequently made the move impossible at user level).
But there remain the following problems:
I advocate this style of article, but it needs to be implemented across the board. In other words, serious work needs doing to every single other franchise article, making them into the 'past tense' and dealing with what little regionality on ITV remains.
Thoughts? -- Fursday 02:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I am going to merge ITV Wales and West back into HTV, as they are both the same compnay, just the name has changed. It is the same story as all the other regions. Besides, there is not enough information to suistain the ITV Wales and West article on it's own. Rafmarham ( talk) 07:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:HTV (disambiguation) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 00:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Why has this been moved again? This is the only article for the ITV franchises that features the 'new' company name - the rest are still under the traditional name e.g. Granada Television, Meridian Broadcasting, Central Independent Television. The only regional articles featuring the ITV name are the non franchise regions such as ITV London and ITV Tyne Tees & Border. In my opinion this should still be back at HTV and ITV Wales and the West chould redirect to it. It is the same style as all the other regions so why is HTV an exempt case? Rafmarham ( talk) 12:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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Isn't it time this old franchise article went back to being called Harlech Television as that's what it known by on the template, and I suppose that's what most people will be searching online for alongside the letters HTV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.174 ( talk) 18:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
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I say put the two HTV logos on this page as a historical TV reference.
Due to the fact that HTV is in-theory non existant, I would split this article in two, ITV1 Wales and ITV1 West. HTV in my opinion by the end of this decade will cease in full (thats just my prediction). Also the HTV corporate website has ceased to exist.
Amlder20 21:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
On 29 December 2006, the following ITV companies officially changed their names:
See http://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk and search under "ITV" - URL linking is not supported. So that signalled the death knell for HTV then. Marbles 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
I think now is the proper time to remove the "ITV Wales and West Ltd" names from here and set-up that new article. HTV has become the "old" station and has 'in-reality' ceased to exist. 82.11.221.164 23:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Reading the above comments I already suggested it before, last year as a matter of fact. I strongly think this article should be made in the past tense for HTV, a company that now clearly does not exist. Amlder20 23:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree. HTV should be redirected to "ITV Wales and West Ltd". It's not the name of the company anymore, it's not the name(s) seen on screen, it just does not exist anymore. (January 9, 2007)
Why not have a vote on this issue, maybe it will help with public opinion, the choice? Should it remain HTV on Wikipedia or ITV Wales and West with HTV as a historical reference. Amlder20 20:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Due to the blurring of the roles of the former Westcountry and HTV West regions play within the current ITV West region, I believe that HTV should probably get its own page distinct from the ITV Wales and West page, which could take up the story from the point the HTV name disappeared from the screen.
However, this is such a grey area that any decision will be unsatifactory from some points of view. Kecske Bak 10:20, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Hello people, I just wanted to know more about the HTV General Service, how it functioned alongside the West and Wales stations and why the General Service ceased? 82.11.221.164 22:24, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
HTV and ITV Wales and West are effectivly the same company.
no subsidary swaps or new company has been assigned to run the Wales and West Dual franchise
this is recognised on Companyhouse
Therefore HTV should stay in the article
though it does need tidying up
and HTV didn't disappear til 2006 legally -Anon (—Preceding
unsigned comment added by
87.194.228.59 (
talk •
contribs) 16:27, 8 September 2008)
The original said: HTV was in a unique position of being the only ITV company to serve two distinct countries (Wales and the west of England) and therefore two distinct languages and cultures, and had studios in Cardiff (built around an old farm house in Pontcanna) and Bristol (in Brislington).
Of course, this isn't true. It was not unique. Border Television served two countries (or three if you include the Isle of Man, which most Manx people would). Channel Television served more than two jurisdictions. Jersey and Guernsey would each describe themselves as countries. Alderney and Sark might too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.137.24.38 ( talk) 17:59, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
I have moved all of teh information from this article into HTV, as they are exactly the same company, the only difference is that they are branded differently. The new HTV article has greater continuity and makes more sense. Rafmarham ( talk) 11:42, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I've 'mended' this page which was still set as a redirect to Talk:ITV Wales & West. Personally I would have said it would be 'cleaner' to move ITV Wales & West back to HTV but User:Kljones01 has set the ball rolling now which is a start (and consequently made the move impossible at user level).
But there remain the following problems:
I advocate this style of article, but it needs to be implemented across the board. In other words, serious work needs doing to every single other franchise article, making them into the 'past tense' and dealing with what little regionality on ITV remains.
Thoughts? -- Fursday 02:57, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
I am going to merge ITV Wales and West back into HTV, as they are both the same compnay, just the name has changed. It is the same story as all the other regions. Besides, there is not enough information to suistain the ITV Wales and West article on it's own. Rafmarham ( talk) 07:57, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:HTV (disambiguation) - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RM bot 00:41, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Why has this been moved again? This is the only article for the ITV franchises that features the 'new' company name - the rest are still under the traditional name e.g. Granada Television, Meridian Broadcasting, Central Independent Television. The only regional articles featuring the ITV name are the non franchise regions such as ITV London and ITV Tyne Tees & Border. In my opinion this should still be back at HTV and ITV Wales and the West chould redirect to it. It is the same style as all the other regions so why is HTV an exempt case? Rafmarham ( talk) 12:44, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
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Isn't it time this old franchise article went back to being called Harlech Television as that's what it known by on the template, and I suppose that's what most people will be searching online for alongside the letters HTV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.152.238.174 ( talk) 18:32, 9 December 2020 (UTC)