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WARNING WIKIPEDIA is quoting an alleged RACIST, i.e. Mr Rushton of University of Western Ontario, as such this source cannot be considered valid. If a copy of this article were to be sent to news organizations, the editors of this article might not enjoy the scrutiny. See the following references:
-- 24.200.55.19 15:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The questionnaire from http://www.jackinworld.com/library/surveys/survey3.html is not fact. Anybody can play a prank by giving fake answers. The lowest age in the questionnaire was 11. Comparing an 11 year old penis size with a 22 year old is just stupid. This should be remove from wikipedia. It doesn't meet wikipedia's standards.
I think also the fact that it comes from a site called "jackin' world" speaks a lot about its credibility.
These sections appear to be entirely unscientific. The quasi-racial categories demonstrate a significant bias and lack of basis in statistics or medicine. The source cited only offers the citation of another source which is unverified. Users have posted no discussion as to the significance of the section nor their contribution to this article. Their inclusion is blatant racism and is completely inapproriate. The inclusion of race in a section titled penis size and condom use seems particularly unnecessary when sources citI have a very big penis, its probaly bigger than yoursed conclude no statistical significance. This is a ridiculous masking of malice through faulty quotation and poor citation. These sections do not contribute to understanding the subject. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 03:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Information about penis size and race should be kept in that section. Information specific to penis size and it's effect on condom use is ambiguous, does penis size correlate with frequency of using condoms or rather their effectiveness in preventing pregnancy and disease transmission. A bigger penis apparently tends have more condom failure resulting from breakage, whereas a smaller one tends to have more from slippage. Read the sources if you're unclear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 15:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
This is a silly section to have in such an article - and I think that there are a few users of Wikipedia who have an agenda to indefinitely progress and extend this section every time a study is published in the hope that they racially categorise people of the world on their penis size. I'm quite flustered that these people should be allowed to pursue this racist agenda (though it has been toned down recently with specific region headings having been removed). Even if under non-ideal world conditions, this section was pursued, how can you compare different studies when each has measured a different proportion of a population, and that proportion might be from one section of a vast land? Lets take for example a section of this article that tries to convey the size of penis in India, where according to the article "Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre" - according to the CIA World Factbook, as per a July 2006 estimate, there are 1,095,351,995 or 1 billion and 95 million people in India and so one would have to question a) the validity of the study as a whole, if we're to use this as a benchmark/reference for human penis size in India, and b) its usefulness in comparison to other studies where less or more than 1,000 odd people may have been measured. I hope someone here can do something about this. Volatileacid 20:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a very big penis, its probaly bigger than yours
I think it is a tad unfair to attribute any perceived errors in the various studies as being the fault of "white people". If one was to ponder why do black people do x, y or z, you be decried as racist, so generalising about all white people is no better. Please grow up.
penis section exludes information about hispanic/latino men. The sources cited are a seemingly random assortment of studies, none of which discuss hispanics/latinos to any extent, nor do they provide conclusive, statistically significant findings. The mess in this section is equivalent to googling the words penis, size, and race, and picking the top results and copying and pasting. The wikipedia article on race also identifies many other groups not clearly defined as part of any of the current sources. What are some of them considered? the Indians, Alaskan Natives, American Indians, Jewish People, Arabs, Northern or Eastern Europeans, East Africans, Indigenous Australians? Are any of these groups even represented by the current sources appearing in this section? We don't need to, nor can we discuss every group of people that consider themselves their own race, but this section is dire need of clean-up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 16:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
Everything you mentioned above is a solid observation, however, if the section was concerning "race" it would not make a distinction for hispanic/latino men as categorically they are not a race, but a cultural classification. Hispanic/Latinos can be of any race.
Hispanic is not a race, not that race is a completely sound concept to begin with. An Hispanic person can have ancestors of European, American Indian, black African, etc origin, and is very likely to be all of the above. Why I seem to be the only American who can grasp this concept is beyond me.
I've removed this text because it's uncited and seems dubious. WP can't cite original research.
-- Ty580 05:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Race = 50 warnings -- AnYoNe! 01:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
This article writes about the g-spot as if there is no question to its existence. In fact, the vast majority of research into this topic has found that it is likely a myth. I don't think this is the place to expand upon the intricacies of the g-spot mythology, thats done in the article on the g-spot. I think the best way to handle the issue would be to just eliminate references to the g-spot in this article. It doesn't seem to be important. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Tmtoulouse 18:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The LifeStyle data shouldn't be put in a summary graph on the side. It looks too authorative, and, for goodness sake, how accurate can a study done on Spring Break in Cancún, Mexico, possibly be? This screams selection bias.-- 75.73.227.22 02:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Here it is. Some of this is pretty ridiculous. My favorite was "a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises..." (like, ALL of them? that's gonna take a while). This one's pretty good too: "discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt." (I'm imagining a nature show announcer -- 'The vagina, like the snow leopard, can adapt.')
This article still needs a lot of work. -- Joie de Vivre 23:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
There have been several studies regarding the average size of the human penis. The majority of such studies could be unreliable due to self-selection bias: men with a smaller than average penis might be less likely to allow themselves to be measured, while men with a larger than average penis might be more likely to allow themselves to be measured. It is unknown if this conjectured self-selection bias has been confirmed by any studies, or if any studies have attempted to account for potential self-selection bias regarding penis size.
The vagina is elastic. It expands on average to ~10 centimetres (4 in) in diameter during childbirth, yet the muscles can retain something as small as a tampon. The vagina itself is a very elastic environment which can expand on average to ~10 centimetres (4 in) in diameter during childbirth, and it also easily retains a tampon. Thus a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises from relatively small to large. It will generally accommodate and adjust to the object it surrounds. Discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt.
In stark contrast, minor surgery without anesthetic can be conducted on the inner portion of a woman's vagina without discomfort. Most women attest to a feeling of being "filled up" by larger than average penises, yet few can claim to feel erotic sensations in the deeper regions of the vagina. citation needed The cervix, fornix, and cul-de-sac are within close proximity of each other, so there may be indirect and/or simultaneous stimulation between them.PRessure of the vagina can also cause discomfort, and this may be mistaken for cervix pain. Thus very long penises sometimes cannot be fully inserted. The exact depth depends on both anatomical dimensions and arousal of the woman, as well as the sexual technique used.
Enough foreplay to produce full arousal is generally needed to ready a woman for penetration by a large penis — although this same amount of foreplay is often recommended regardless of the man's penis size. While a long penis normally isn't a hindrance, there's little to suggest it's advantageous either
Penis-enlargement self-treatments are not effective for this condition
The cultural issues involved with the question of race and penis size are complex, with both larger and smaller penises used as justification for regarding other races as inferior; as evidence of an oversexed and brutish animal nature in the former case, or of sexual inadequacy in the latter case. In general, there is a tendency to see the penis size of one's own group as the "right" size, compared with those of others.
There is considerable debate as to whether specific racial variations in penis size exist, and if they do, whether observed variations can be explained in terms of other factors such as correlations of penis size to body size. In any case, within-group variation in penis size (±30%, see above) seems to be considerably larger than claimed between-group variation of average penis size (±4%, see below).
I went to the Sex museum in Amsterdam and there was a picture of a man who had a 47cm penis, I remember this was the exact length. I am almost certain it was real. I can't get a reference because my webpage blocker won't let me search for it, but it should be a useful addition if a reference is found. Bobbacon 14:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, from my experience, coming from a black man, lots of women do not want a very large penis thrusting inside of them. I remember when stationed in Germany, most protitutes wouldn't mess with a brother. Stating "Too Big" "No" No", before even seeing what I had. So to answer your question, the guy with 18.5 inches won't be sexing it up with any human female !!! That is for sure......
i am 14 and my peins size whean erict is 5.5 inches is this a normal size whean it is not erict it is 3.5 inches
Don't really use this much so I dunno if I'm following the protocols or not, but I just wanted to point out that in Britain "Asian" usually refers to south Asian (from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh), whilst East Asians are usually referred to as whatever their country of origin is or as "other Asian". This may lead to some confusion and discrepancies between the reports of the different studies (in the race section). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.167.228.127 ( talk) 11:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
The picture titled "erect penis" is actually only half-erect. My penis is more erect--it's pointing straight up. Hold on, and I will take a picture, and contribute it to the community.
That article could easily be nailed at AfD for original research/trivia/dicdef, but I just did the WP:BOLD thing and am merging and redirecting.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Caucasian=European ancestry
Negroid=African ancestry
Mongoloid=oriental
it was all there.
it was 600 men and how is the survey from sizesurvey.com more credible then this????
we are trying to point out the differences that is the point regardless of weather it is diet or god gave it to them!
And what about the one that is already on from "sizesurvey.com" it said it is only a survey and a trial that should not be used. it was a self measure just like the one you say and should not go on.
This is an actual quote:
"However, due to the small sample size and large variation in lengths, this "difference" is not statistically significant."
how is it credible???
it is totally not credible and should be removed.
if not that one this is more accurate from the above post.
This is the sample
(a) African (black) 1.7% (average age: 17.8) (b) Asian/Pacific Islander 5.4% (average age: 19.0) (c) European (white) 85.0% (average age: 18.2) (d) Latin-American/Hispanic 3.3% (average age: 16.3) (e) Middle Eastern/Semitic 0.6% (average age: 15.7) (f) Native American 1.7% (average age: 20.3) (g) Other 2.3% (average age: 22.0)
Penis size By ethnicity (age 15 and over only):
• Blacks 6.35" • Asians 6.33" • Whites 6.22" • Hispanics 6.05" • Native Americans 6.66"
Penis circumference by ethnicity (age 15 and over only):
• Blacks 4.55" • Asians 4.60" • Whites 4.48" • Hispanics 3.42" • Native Americans 4.74"
reply back and don't be shy.
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86.20.6.103 22:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
As it's said in the wiki article, nothing has been conclusively proven. Yes, you can say that survey [1] found "black people are bigger on average". But It is less credible than the sizesurvey.com survey because of a lack of any information on the Methodology used and other details. It only has the results. So no credibility at all, and of no use in the wikipedia article. I mean they can't even spell. Looks like a page someone quickly made up to attract viewers (searching on "penis size) to see their sex personal ads plastered all over the place.
If you find a better source which details that survey feel free to add it to the others in wiki article. Even then (with methodology details), it probably won't prove anything (being a self-measured study), and will only be useful noting as anecdotal evidence.
Same as the sizesurvey.com survey. You used a good quote which shows it's lack of credibility for showing racial size differences (this is already noted in wiki article). But the same is true of the Jakinworld survey. The sample size of Africans was too low to be of use (1.7%). So I would say both the sizesurvey.com survey and the Jakinworld survey are lacking in credibility for comparing racial sizes. I'd say we should either have both in the article (for fairness and neutrality) as weak anecdotal evidence or not have either. It is questionable.
Coolnurse.com doesn't even know where the survey information came from. Interesting read, but not credible.
If better studies and surveys are done that conclusively show "black" people are larger on average as a whole (race), then yes, that should be published whether "diet or god gave it to them". As of now, studies show too many discrepancies to make any conclusion.
Ok. That was a bit of a mind-bender to all contemplate. I think I need to take a break from this article. Penis Penis Penis... Blah Blah.. Heh. Good debate though. Kudos.
Wits 16:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I am actually quite surprised that you acted fair in this argument but this problem still remains. I suggest as you said that either the one from jackin world.com gets added as well or the one form size survey gets removed.
To be honest i believe the one from sizesurvey.com is fabricated, it shows that black people even though they had 6.1 inches on average, every single one of them rated them selfs "well endowed" which is impossible unless they were retarded... then there is the flaccid penis size theory....
anyway, this is very misleading and the article is biased. This article should be fixed in all fairness.
As it said from size survey "However, due to the small sample size and large variation in lengths, this "difference" is not statistically significant." why is it here if it is completely useless to even be used???
you replaced it to say "The creator of the survey, however, stresses that the results regarding Black and Hispanic participants are tentative until a larger number of responses from these groups are received." should a tentative(unfinished) research be even on here!!! this is actually very stuipid(make that retarded).
The fact that you said you have decided to leave this argument shows you have actually lost the argument, you don't want to be fair or fix the problem and you acted childish and a sore loser. You decided you are not going to fix the problem and refused to do so.
This shows that not all wikipedia administrators are competent.
it should be removed and you know it "Witts".
i can now leave this argument knowing i am actually better than you and have said the right thing.
kudos to you for trying...
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86.20.6.103 20:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
To clear up the apparent misunderstanding. I never said I was leaving. I said "I think I need to take a break from this article". With a little nonsense joking thrown in after that (to lessen the serious tension). Quote unQuote: "Heh". I've done some major editing of this article the past few weeks. Please consider that I have a life besides editing wiki articles.
I do enjoy writing, so I can understand that some people could mistake my enthusiasm and elaboration as an indication this is my job or assignment. But in no way am I an "administrator" or someone with special editing privileges. I have the same editing rights given to anyone who registers on wikipedia. I'm a regular wiki user like anyone else.
Clearly I wasn't decided yet on whether to add the other survey or remove both. So I decided I would leave it for the time being (take a "break") so either you or someone else could edit it, or if no one else edited it, then I would later edit it myself after some feedback from others. It's not a matter of me trying to "win" an argument here, but a discussion to find what is appropriate for the article. I'm open to suggestion. This is a collaboration here. Not me writing an encyclopedia myself.
FYI, I didn't "replace it" to say anything. I simply pointed out what was already said in the wiki article. If you feel strongly that the survey should be removed, login with a registered account and do it. I wouldn't have a problem with that (as I previously alluded).
Reading the discussion history, I see that you previously said (then removed): "I have an account i used to edit many pages but i never got any decent privileges." With a registered account in good standing (not blocked for abuse) you can edit this article (and join our collaboration). When your account was first created, it is possible that a few locked articles wouldn't let you edit right away (for a few days). This is to discourage people from registering accounts for the sole purpose of vandalizing articles. You don't seem to have that intent (of vandalizing), so I would encourage you to login and contribute to the article.
Lastly, to really clear the air. I do not think I'm better than you "--86.20.6.103" or anyone else here. Just because I may disagree with you, try to remedy a presumed misunderstanding, or teach something doesn't mean I'm insulting you or saying you're beneath me. This must be said because your outright insults show defensiveness. Yes, much of what I say is seemingly blunt. But as I say a lot, it must be this way because otherwise I would be endlessly over explaining things and wishy washy. I think many people would agree that I write too much already. Hehe (that was a joke, albeit a crappy one). I will attempt to fix the survey issue (whether both surveys should be included as weak anecdotal evidence with no supported conclusion, or both removed entirely because of the lack of supported conclusion) in time if no one else does. You seem to be more decisive on this issue, so don't be hesitant to make your own edit.
Wits 13:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
You are a very respectable user and i would like to send you my sincerest apology. Some times i just have certain mood swings and i did not mean what i said. i just didn't want to use my account editing this certain article but i can make another one.
Thank you for your help i really appreciate it.
-- 86.20.6.103 00:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It's understandable. You're candidness is refreshing. Sure thing.
Wits 18:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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WARNING WIKIPEDIA is quoting an alleged RACIST, i.e. Mr Rushton of University of Western Ontario, as such this source cannot be considered valid. If a copy of this article were to be sent to news organizations, the editors of this article might not enjoy the scrutiny. See the following references:
-- 24.200.55.19 15:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
The questionnaire from http://www.jackinworld.com/library/surveys/survey3.html is not fact. Anybody can play a prank by giving fake answers. The lowest age in the questionnaire was 11. Comparing an 11 year old penis size with a 22 year old is just stupid. This should be remove from wikipedia. It doesn't meet wikipedia's standards.
I think also the fact that it comes from a site called "jackin' world" speaks a lot about its credibility.
These sections appear to be entirely unscientific. The quasi-racial categories demonstrate a significant bias and lack of basis in statistics or medicine. The source cited only offers the citation of another source which is unverified. Users have posted no discussion as to the significance of the section nor their contribution to this article. Their inclusion is blatant racism and is completely inapproriate. The inclusion of race in a section titled penis size and condom use seems particularly unnecessary when sources citI have a very big penis, its probaly bigger than yoursed conclude no statistical significance. This is a ridiculous masking of malice through faulty quotation and poor citation. These sections do not contribute to understanding the subject. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 03:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC).
Information about penis size and race should be kept in that section. Information specific to penis size and it's effect on condom use is ambiguous, does penis size correlate with frequency of using condoms or rather their effectiveness in preventing pregnancy and disease transmission. A bigger penis apparently tends have more condom failure resulting from breakage, whereas a smaller one tends to have more from slippage. Read the sources if you're unclear. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 15:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
This is a silly section to have in such an article - and I think that there are a few users of Wikipedia who have an agenda to indefinitely progress and extend this section every time a study is published in the hope that they racially categorise people of the world on their penis size. I'm quite flustered that these people should be allowed to pursue this racist agenda (though it has been toned down recently with specific region headings having been removed). Even if under non-ideal world conditions, this section was pursued, how can you compare different studies when each has measured a different proportion of a population, and that proportion might be from one section of a vast land? Lets take for example a section of this article that tries to convey the size of penis in India, where according to the article "Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their penises measured precisely, down to the last millimetre" - according to the CIA World Factbook, as per a July 2006 estimate, there are 1,095,351,995 or 1 billion and 95 million people in India and so one would have to question a) the validity of the study as a whole, if we're to use this as a benchmark/reference for human penis size in India, and b) its usefulness in comparison to other studies where less or more than 1,000 odd people may have been measured. I hope someone here can do something about this. Volatileacid 20:58, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I have a very big penis, its probaly bigger than yours
I think it is a tad unfair to attribute any perceived errors in the various studies as being the fault of "white people". If one was to ponder why do black people do x, y or z, you be decried as racist, so generalising about all white people is no better. Please grow up.
penis section exludes information about hispanic/latino men. The sources cited are a seemingly random assortment of studies, none of which discuss hispanics/latinos to any extent, nor do they provide conclusive, statistically significant findings. The mess in this section is equivalent to googling the words penis, size, and race, and picking the top results and copying and pasting. The wikipedia article on race also identifies many other groups not clearly defined as part of any of the current sources. What are some of them considered? the Indians, Alaskan Natives, American Indians, Jewish People, Arabs, Northern or Eastern Europeans, East Africans, Indigenous Australians? Are any of these groups even represented by the current sources appearing in this section? We don't need to, nor can we discuss every group of people that consider themselves their own race, but this section is dire need of clean-up. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.186.205.102 ( talk) 16:29, 19 January 2007 (UTC).
Everything you mentioned above is a solid observation, however, if the section was concerning "race" it would not make a distinction for hispanic/latino men as categorically they are not a race, but a cultural classification. Hispanic/Latinos can be of any race.
Hispanic is not a race, not that race is a completely sound concept to begin with. An Hispanic person can have ancestors of European, American Indian, black African, etc origin, and is very likely to be all of the above. Why I seem to be the only American who can grasp this concept is beyond me.
I've removed this text because it's uncited and seems dubious. WP can't cite original research.
-- Ty580 05:20, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Race = 50 warnings -- AnYoNe! 01:46, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
This article writes about the g-spot as if there is no question to its existence. In fact, the vast majority of research into this topic has found that it is likely a myth. I don't think this is the place to expand upon the intricacies of the g-spot mythology, thats done in the article on the g-spot. I think the best way to handle the issue would be to just eliminate references to the g-spot in this article. It doesn't seem to be important. Does anyone have any other suggestions? Tmtoulouse 18:45, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
The LifeStyle data shouldn't be put in a summary graph on the side. It looks too authorative, and, for goodness sake, how accurate can a study done on Spring Break in Cancún, Mexico, possibly be? This screams selection bias.-- 75.73.227.22 02:47, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
Here it is. Some of this is pretty ridiculous. My favorite was "a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises..." (like, ALL of them? that's gonna take a while). This one's pretty good too: "discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt." (I'm imagining a nature show announcer -- 'The vagina, like the snow leopard, can adapt.')
This article still needs a lot of work. -- Joie de Vivre 23:21, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
There have been several studies regarding the average size of the human penis. The majority of such studies could be unreliable due to self-selection bias: men with a smaller than average penis might be less likely to allow themselves to be measured, while men with a larger than average penis might be more likely to allow themselves to be measured. It is unknown if this conjectured self-selection bias has been confirmed by any studies, or if any studies have attempted to account for potential self-selection bias regarding penis size.
The vagina is elastic. It expands on average to ~10 centimetres (4 in) in diameter during childbirth, yet the muscles can retain something as small as a tampon. The vagina itself is a very elastic environment which can expand on average to ~10 centimetres (4 in) in diameter during childbirth, and it also easily retains a tampon. Thus a woman's vagina can tightly accommodate most penises from relatively small to large. It will generally accommodate and adjust to the object it surrounds. Discomfort can sometimes be experienced with unusually large objects, but the vagina can, over time, adapt.
In stark contrast, minor surgery without anesthetic can be conducted on the inner portion of a woman's vagina without discomfort. Most women attest to a feeling of being "filled up" by larger than average penises, yet few can claim to feel erotic sensations in the deeper regions of the vagina. citation needed The cervix, fornix, and cul-de-sac are within close proximity of each other, so there may be indirect and/or simultaneous stimulation between them.PRessure of the vagina can also cause discomfort, and this may be mistaken for cervix pain. Thus very long penises sometimes cannot be fully inserted. The exact depth depends on both anatomical dimensions and arousal of the woman, as well as the sexual technique used.
Enough foreplay to produce full arousal is generally needed to ready a woman for penetration by a large penis — although this same amount of foreplay is often recommended regardless of the man's penis size. While a long penis normally isn't a hindrance, there's little to suggest it's advantageous either
Penis-enlargement self-treatments are not effective for this condition
The cultural issues involved with the question of race and penis size are complex, with both larger and smaller penises used as justification for regarding other races as inferior; as evidence of an oversexed and brutish animal nature in the former case, or of sexual inadequacy in the latter case. In general, there is a tendency to see the penis size of one's own group as the "right" size, compared with those of others.
There is considerable debate as to whether specific racial variations in penis size exist, and if they do, whether observed variations can be explained in terms of other factors such as correlations of penis size to body size. In any case, within-group variation in penis size (±30%, see above) seems to be considerably larger than claimed between-group variation of average penis size (±4%, see below).
I went to the Sex museum in Amsterdam and there was a picture of a man who had a 47cm penis, I remember this was the exact length. I am almost certain it was real. I can't get a reference because my webpage blocker won't let me search for it, but it should be a useful addition if a reference is found. Bobbacon 14:34, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, from my experience, coming from a black man, lots of women do not want a very large penis thrusting inside of them. I remember when stationed in Germany, most protitutes wouldn't mess with a brother. Stating "Too Big" "No" No", before even seeing what I had. So to answer your question, the guy with 18.5 inches won't be sexing it up with any human female !!! That is for sure......
i am 14 and my peins size whean erict is 5.5 inches is this a normal size whean it is not erict it is 3.5 inches
Don't really use this much so I dunno if I'm following the protocols or not, but I just wanted to point out that in Britain "Asian" usually refers to south Asian (from India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh), whilst East Asians are usually referred to as whatever their country of origin is or as "other Asian". This may lead to some confusion and discrepancies between the reports of the different studies (in the race section). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 143.167.228.127 ( talk) 11:31, 16 May 2007 (UTC).
The picture titled "erect penis" is actually only half-erect. My penis is more erect--it's pointing straight up. Hold on, and I will take a picture, and contribute it to the community.
That article could easily be nailed at AfD for original research/trivia/dicdef, but I just did the WP:BOLD thing and am merging and redirecting.-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 22:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Caucasian=European ancestry
Negroid=African ancestry
Mongoloid=oriental
it was all there.
it was 600 men and how is the survey from sizesurvey.com more credible then this????
we are trying to point out the differences that is the point regardless of weather it is diet or god gave it to them!
And what about the one that is already on from "sizesurvey.com" it said it is only a survey and a trial that should not be used. it was a self measure just like the one you say and should not go on.
This is an actual quote:
"However, due to the small sample size and large variation in lengths, this "difference" is not statistically significant."
how is it credible???
it is totally not credible and should be removed.
if not that one this is more accurate from the above post.
This is the sample
(a) African (black) 1.7% (average age: 17.8) (b) Asian/Pacific Islander 5.4% (average age: 19.0) (c) European (white) 85.0% (average age: 18.2) (d) Latin-American/Hispanic 3.3% (average age: 16.3) (e) Middle Eastern/Semitic 0.6% (average age: 15.7) (f) Native American 1.7% (average age: 20.3) (g) Other 2.3% (average age: 22.0)
Penis size By ethnicity (age 15 and over only):
• Blacks 6.35" • Asians 6.33" • Whites 6.22" • Hispanics 6.05" • Native Americans 6.66"
Penis circumference by ethnicity (age 15 and over only):
• Blacks 4.55" • Asians 4.60" • Whites 4.48" • Hispanics 3.42" • Native Americans 4.74"
reply back and don't be shy.
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86.20.6.103 22:34, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
As it's said in the wiki article, nothing has been conclusively proven. Yes, you can say that survey [1] found "black people are bigger on average". But It is less credible than the sizesurvey.com survey because of a lack of any information on the Methodology used and other details. It only has the results. So no credibility at all, and of no use in the wikipedia article. I mean they can't even spell. Looks like a page someone quickly made up to attract viewers (searching on "penis size) to see their sex personal ads plastered all over the place.
If you find a better source which details that survey feel free to add it to the others in wiki article. Even then (with methodology details), it probably won't prove anything (being a self-measured study), and will only be useful noting as anecdotal evidence.
Same as the sizesurvey.com survey. You used a good quote which shows it's lack of credibility for showing racial size differences (this is already noted in wiki article). But the same is true of the Jakinworld survey. The sample size of Africans was too low to be of use (1.7%). So I would say both the sizesurvey.com survey and the Jakinworld survey are lacking in credibility for comparing racial sizes. I'd say we should either have both in the article (for fairness and neutrality) as weak anecdotal evidence or not have either. It is questionable.
Coolnurse.com doesn't even know where the survey information came from. Interesting read, but not credible.
If better studies and surveys are done that conclusively show "black" people are larger on average as a whole (race), then yes, that should be published whether "diet or god gave it to them". As of now, studies show too many discrepancies to make any conclusion.
Ok. That was a bit of a mind-bender to all contemplate. I think I need to take a break from this article. Penis Penis Penis... Blah Blah.. Heh. Good debate though. Kudos.
Wits 16:34, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I am actually quite surprised that you acted fair in this argument but this problem still remains. I suggest as you said that either the one from jackin world.com gets added as well or the one form size survey gets removed.
To be honest i believe the one from sizesurvey.com is fabricated, it shows that black people even though they had 6.1 inches on average, every single one of them rated them selfs "well endowed" which is impossible unless they were retarded... then there is the flaccid penis size theory....
anyway, this is very misleading and the article is biased. This article should be fixed in all fairness.
As it said from size survey "However, due to the small sample size and large variation in lengths, this "difference" is not statistically significant." why is it here if it is completely useless to even be used???
you replaced it to say "The creator of the survey, however, stresses that the results regarding Black and Hispanic participants are tentative until a larger number of responses from these groups are received." should a tentative(unfinished) research be even on here!!! this is actually very stuipid(make that retarded).
The fact that you said you have decided to leave this argument shows you have actually lost the argument, you don't want to be fair or fix the problem and you acted childish and a sore loser. You decided you are not going to fix the problem and refused to do so.
This shows that not all wikipedia administrators are competent.
it should be removed and you know it "Witts".
i can now leave this argument knowing i am actually better than you and have said the right thing.
kudos to you for trying...
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86.20.6.103 20:24, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
To clear up the apparent misunderstanding. I never said I was leaving. I said "I think I need to take a break from this article". With a little nonsense joking thrown in after that (to lessen the serious tension). Quote unQuote: "Heh". I've done some major editing of this article the past few weeks. Please consider that I have a life besides editing wiki articles.
I do enjoy writing, so I can understand that some people could mistake my enthusiasm and elaboration as an indication this is my job or assignment. But in no way am I an "administrator" or someone with special editing privileges. I have the same editing rights given to anyone who registers on wikipedia. I'm a regular wiki user like anyone else.
Clearly I wasn't decided yet on whether to add the other survey or remove both. So I decided I would leave it for the time being (take a "break") so either you or someone else could edit it, or if no one else edited it, then I would later edit it myself after some feedback from others. It's not a matter of me trying to "win" an argument here, but a discussion to find what is appropriate for the article. I'm open to suggestion. This is a collaboration here. Not me writing an encyclopedia myself.
FYI, I didn't "replace it" to say anything. I simply pointed out what was already said in the wiki article. If you feel strongly that the survey should be removed, login with a registered account and do it. I wouldn't have a problem with that (as I previously alluded).
Reading the discussion history, I see that you previously said (then removed): "I have an account i used to edit many pages but i never got any decent privileges." With a registered account in good standing (not blocked for abuse) you can edit this article (and join our collaboration). When your account was first created, it is possible that a few locked articles wouldn't let you edit right away (for a few days). This is to discourage people from registering accounts for the sole purpose of vandalizing articles. You don't seem to have that intent (of vandalizing), so I would encourage you to login and contribute to the article.
Lastly, to really clear the air. I do not think I'm better than you "--86.20.6.103" or anyone else here. Just because I may disagree with you, try to remedy a presumed misunderstanding, or teach something doesn't mean I'm insulting you or saying you're beneath me. This must be said because your outright insults show defensiveness. Yes, much of what I say is seemingly blunt. But as I say a lot, it must be this way because otherwise I would be endlessly over explaining things and wishy washy. I think many people would agree that I write too much already. Hehe (that was a joke, albeit a crappy one). I will attempt to fix the survey issue (whether both surveys should be included as weak anecdotal evidence with no supported conclusion, or both removed entirely because of the lack of supported conclusion) in time if no one else does. You seem to be more decisive on this issue, so don't be hesitant to make your own edit.
Wits 13:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
You are a very respectable user and i would like to send you my sincerest apology. Some times i just have certain mood swings and i did not mean what i said. i just didn't want to use my account editing this certain article but i can make another one.
Thank you for your help i really appreciate it.
-- 86.20.6.103 00:43, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
It's understandable. You're candidness is refreshing. Sure thing.
Wits 18:31, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
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