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These terms are not being used in the nationalistic sense, but in the Cultural sense. Many books on Rassam say he was from a mixed cultural background of Syrian and Iraqi, just like we call someone from England "English" before the nation of England came into existence. -- Stbalbach 17:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
StSomebody hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. Iraq and Syria have the same language, history and culture - they're the same people, it's not possible to be "mixed" Iraqi and Syrian, there's no difference. They would be the same country were it not for the Anglo-French divide and conquer. To compare it to being mixed English and French is sufficiently ridiculous as to do your credibility serious damage. Izzedine 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Hormuzd Rassam was Chaldean. There was no Assyrian nationalism during his time. Stop spreading these fallacies, Assyrian nationalist are sickening.--
CommonSenseofCourse (
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Actually, ethnically, Rassam was an Assyrian, he even told Layard that the archaeological finds they were unearthing in northern Iraq were those of his ancestors, and Layard records this in his own writings. Theologically, his family members were a mix of adherents of the Assyrian Church of the East and Chaldean Catholic Church. The term Chaldean is only the name of a church, just like Nestorian, Baptist etc, it has no ethnic or geographic meaning at all. There is no Chaldean continuity in northern Iraq AT ALL, but there is Assyrian continuity, supported by Historicity, and by noted historians, orientalists, ethnologists, linguists, geneticists and archaeologists. As for the terms Iraqi and Syrian, they mean nothing in reference to Rassam, as neither country existed at the time, and within both these modern countries, there are many different ethnicities, Rassam for example was NOT an Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Turkman, Yezidi, Persian, Mandean, Shabaki, Georgian, Greek, Kawliya/Roma, Syriac Aramean, Mhallami or Circassian, was he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.230.41 ( talk) 09:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
On the Cyrus Cylinder page, Rassam is called "a controversial figure remembered as much for his brutal tactics as his discoveries" but there aren't any allegations of brutality on his page. Can someone clarify? What brutalities is he accused of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.216.74 ( talk) 02:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Looking at a series of anonymous IP edits made in the past month, I note that someone has been making efforts to insert the phrase 'Chaldean' in the place of 'Assyrian' in the article as Rassam's ethnic identity. As far as I can ascertain so far, Rassam himself identified as kin to the Assyrians, while Chaldean refers to the church denomination of some of his contemporary relatives. I notice that further up on this Talk page, there is a contributor who has asserted a similar ethnicity for Rassam, along with the justification that 'Assyrian nationalist are sickening.' I am inclined to believe that the recent edits are likely vandalism, related not to Rassam's self-identification or to any historical sources, but to some personal prejudice against Assyrian identity in the present-day politics of Iraq. In light of recent attacks upon the physical cultural heritage of ancient Assyria by IS, including the sites first excavated by Rassam, I am inclined to see such vandalism as potential hate speech against a minority ethnicity. I would like to ask other editors to keep a watch on this page, and to make reversions of similar vandalism, unless they are supported with a relevant citation. If similar vandalism is persistent, should we consider placing a lock upon this and other pages? Ethdhelwen ( talk) 07:47, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
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I am a direct decendent of Rassam, and would be happy to help fill in any gaps i can on this page. rmoore4814@aol.com |
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These terms are not being used in the nationalistic sense, but in the Cultural sense. Many books on Rassam say he was from a mixed cultural background of Syrian and Iraqi, just like we call someone from England "English" before the nation of England came into existence. -- Stbalbach 17:38, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
StSomebody hasn't got a clue what they're talking about. Iraq and Syria have the same language, history and culture - they're the same people, it's not possible to be "mixed" Iraqi and Syrian, there's no difference. They would be the same country were it not for the Anglo-French divide and conquer. To compare it to being mixed English and French is sufficiently ridiculous as to do your credibility serious damage. Izzedine 02:25, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Hormuzd Rassam was Chaldean. There was no Assyrian nationalism during his time. Stop spreading these fallacies, Assyrian nationalist are sickening.--
CommonSenseofCourse (
talk) 06:06, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Actually, ethnically, Rassam was an Assyrian, he even told Layard that the archaeological finds they were unearthing in northern Iraq were those of his ancestors, and Layard records this in his own writings. Theologically, his family members were a mix of adherents of the Assyrian Church of the East and Chaldean Catholic Church. The term Chaldean is only the name of a church, just like Nestorian, Baptist etc, it has no ethnic or geographic meaning at all. There is no Chaldean continuity in northern Iraq AT ALL, but there is Assyrian continuity, supported by Historicity, and by noted historians, orientalists, ethnologists, linguists, geneticists and archaeologists. As for the terms Iraqi and Syrian, they mean nothing in reference to Rassam, as neither country existed at the time, and within both these modern countries, there are many different ethnicities, Rassam for example was NOT an Arab, Kurd, Armenian, Turkman, Yezidi, Persian, Mandean, Shabaki, Georgian, Greek, Kawliya/Roma, Syriac Aramean, Mhallami or Circassian, was he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.7.230.41 ( talk) 09:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
On the Cyrus Cylinder page, Rassam is called "a controversial figure remembered as much for his brutal tactics as his discoveries" but there aren't any allegations of brutality on his page. Can someone clarify? What brutalities is he accused of? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.216.74 ( talk) 02:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Looking at a series of anonymous IP edits made in the past month, I note that someone has been making efforts to insert the phrase 'Chaldean' in the place of 'Assyrian' in the article as Rassam's ethnic identity. As far as I can ascertain so far, Rassam himself identified as kin to the Assyrians, while Chaldean refers to the church denomination of some of his contemporary relatives. I notice that further up on this Talk page, there is a contributor who has asserted a similar ethnicity for Rassam, along with the justification that 'Assyrian nationalist are sickening.' I am inclined to believe that the recent edits are likely vandalism, related not to Rassam's self-identification or to any historical sources, but to some personal prejudice against Assyrian identity in the present-day politics of Iraq. In light of recent attacks upon the physical cultural heritage of ancient Assyria by IS, including the sites first excavated by Rassam, I am inclined to see such vandalism as potential hate speech against a minority ethnicity. I would like to ask other editors to keep a watch on this page, and to make reversions of similar vandalism, unless they are supported with a relevant citation. If similar vandalism is persistent, should we consider placing a lock upon this and other pages? Ethdhelwen ( talk) 07:47, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hormuzd Rassam/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
I am a direct decendent of Rassam, and would be happy to help fill in any gaps i can on this page. rmoore4814@aol.com |
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