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Am I overstepping? I feel like this book is a lot of people's introduction to Hmong culture, but I may be biased. If I am, please feel free to remove it and leave a note on my Talk page telling me. Thanks. Janet13 06:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to put this state-by-state population data in a table or similar format? I would also recommend limiting the table to only the first 10 states or so. Listing all 50 in this article seems excessive since the information is accessible elsewhere. (Also, I basically copied and pasted the information that had been recently been added to the Hmong/Mong people (but seemed to belong in this article) and some editing will be required to reorganize the information here. Nposs 03:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the 50 state list which was basically copied and pasted from other sources. This information is readily available on other websites and it is an inappropriate level of detail for this article. I've also tried to pare down the paragraph a little bit - but also included another source for more population data about Hmong Americans if readers want to learn more. Not every city with a Hmong community needs to be listed. Now this information should be accessible with the links provided.
an article on the sbuject youth gang violence in the Hmong American community.
The violence of Hmong gangs and the crime of rape FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The, Feb, 2003 by Richard Straka
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_72/ai_98253655/pg_1
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FYI, the nomination process is now over, and the voting period has began. Due to lack of nominations the slot for Laotian female representative is vacant, and will need further discussion sometime after voting has been concluded. The voting period will last until 4 December 2009. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Should the article include reference to this: For Hmong Hunters, a Guiding Voice in Their New Home? -- Pawyilee ( talk) 10:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The article History of the Hmong in Merced, California seems to be an attempt by User:WhisperTome to incorporate information from Anne Fadiman's book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down. Considering that we don't have parallel articles for Fresno or St. Paul Hmong (nor for other ethnic groups in particular cities, AFAIK), it doesn't seem like we should have a separate article. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 14:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree that this article is too specific and reads like a book report rather than an encyclopedia article. Much of the excessive detail needs to be removed and the important details should be merged into the Hmong American article. The Merced community, while significant in the context of Fadiman's book, is not sufficiently notable to warrant its own article especially in light of the more significant communities elsewhere. Nposs ( talk) 04:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Done I have shortened the content of History of the Hmong in Merced, California and merged that article with Merced, California#Hmong community. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 03:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the sentence that read "Hmong-American children born in the United States usually have much better access to education and jobs than that which their parents had, and thus have better economic opportunities than their parents would have had in their former homes."--because it was unsourced etc. I don't see this as the worst problem with that sentence or with the section on education. There is a problem here of cultural bias. If you are talking about pre-war Hmong, it is ridiculous to claim that their children have better access to education and jobs. After all, they had perfectly adequate education and opportunity to be Hmong hill-farmers, which there is nothing in the world wrong with. If you are comparing the US-born children's situation with that of people in refugee camps, the section seems ridiculously obvious. I don't think that's what the author meant, though. Writing like this distorts Hmong history, making it seem as though the Hmong struggled in Laos so they could abandon their homes for the US. They were fierce anti-communist fighters, but if they could have they'd have chosen to stay in the hills and keep on farming. Coming to the US is a better end for them than staying in camps in Thailand, but this wasn't what they wanted to begin with. There is a cultural bias here that suggests implicitly that American jobs and American education are better than other jobs or educations. It also suggests that immigration is a step up for the Hmong from the status quo ante bellum. This is a contention that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, and smacks of American elitism. Brechbill123 ( talk) 22:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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At User_talk:RightCowLeftCoast#Politicians_and_ethnic_group_infoboxes I started a debate over whether to include Mee Moua's image here, but he argued it may be better to talk about this specific issue over here.
Rightcow argued that it could be perceived as being POV if one includes politicians in ethnic group infoboxes. Currently the Hmong American one only has Brenda Song with no Vang Pao and no Moua
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I see that no image of Lormong Lo has yet been provided. I have not found an image with no copyright restrictions, but under fair use since the subject is deceased an image can be used. I found this article where we can get a picture from; or if someone knows someone who runs this memorial site perhaps they can release an image to us.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Please add a fair use rational per WP:NFC for the usage of the Vang Pao image at the Hmong American article. Otherwise image will need to be removed from the article's infobox. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 23:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I am proposing to add a subsection in the “Community and social issues” section on health disparities in the Hmong American population. There is already a subsection on mental health, but I think adding an additional subsection can call to attention the disparity in understanding ‘Western’ versus traditional medicine practices. Please let me know your thoughts! Prisci8 ( talk) 22:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Please let me know if you have any questions/ideas on these proposed changes! For this Wikipedia page, I hope to make the following changes: 1) adding a "Health disparities" section; 2) adding citations throughout the "History" section; 3) editing the "Hmong by location" to add more depth to locations and to simplify longer sections. I hope to improve this currently C-rated class article, and welcome any feedback. Prisci8 ( talk) 22:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Infobox ethnicity representatives. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Hmong American in infobox. Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 19:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I suggest that a mental health section be added under the "Community Issues" subheading. Another suggestion would be to create a completely new section on mental health. This is a particularly significant issue for the Hmong American community, which has been postulated to be resultant from PTSD, depression, and/or stress from emigration. The issue of the prevalence of sudden and unexplained deaths during sleep amongst Hmong males should be mentioned. Additional areas that should be covered should include the Hmong's specific needs as well as barriers to accessing mental health care. Mtran99 ( talk) 08:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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According to this article from about 10 years ago, use of the Hmong language had begun to decline in the US:
https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/hmong-language-endangered/
And according to this report from Education Week this year, the number of English-speakers of Hmong has declned 57% since 2006:
https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/hmong-language-endangered/
I'm not sure how to add this to the article, however.-- Beneficii ( talk) 15:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how it is encyclopedic or due to include two entire paragraphs on specific organaization that are not notable. I had removed it for the listed reasons but that was reverted so I thought I'd take it to the talk page. What justification is there that this content is due or encyclopedic? Spyglass1 ( talk) 02:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article. From my view, this small amount of content is WP:DUE within the context of the section, and I plan to continue research to help develop this part of the article to help support the inclusion. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr ( talk) 03:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
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Am I overstepping? I feel like this book is a lot of people's introduction to Hmong culture, but I may be biased. If I am, please feel free to remove it and leave a note on my Talk page telling me. Thanks. Janet13 06:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)
Is it possible to put this state-by-state population data in a table or similar format? I would also recommend limiting the table to only the first 10 states or so. Listing all 50 in this article seems excessive since the information is accessible elsewhere. (Also, I basically copied and pasted the information that had been recently been added to the Hmong/Mong people (but seemed to belong in this article) and some editing will be required to reorganize the information here. Nposs 03:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the 50 state list which was basically copied and pasted from other sources. This information is readily available on other websites and it is an inappropriate level of detail for this article. I've also tried to pare down the paragraph a little bit - but also included another source for more population data about Hmong Americans if readers want to learn more. Not every city with a Hmong community needs to be listed. Now this information should be accessible with the links provided.
an article on the sbuject youth gang violence in the Hmong American community.
The violence of Hmong gangs and the crime of rape FBI Law Enforcement Bulletin,The, Feb, 2003 by Richard Straka
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2194/is_2_72/ai_98253655/pg_1
List of Asian Americans and a whole bunch of other lists have been nominated for deletion. If you have an opinion, please vote at the AfD.
Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2007 September 12 for all the lists that have been nominated for deletion. Hong Qi Gong ( Talk - Contribs) 18:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Active editors of this article are invited to join the discussion regarding the change in Asian American article's infobox. Specifically we are looking to get nominations for individuals who would fall under this article, nominations shall remain open until 9 November 2009. Comments are also welcomed. Thank you in advance -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 13:19, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
FYI, the nomination process is now over, and the voting period has began. Due to lack of nominations the slot for Laotian female representative is vacant, and will need further discussion sometime after voting has been concluded. The voting period will last until 4 December 2009. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 20:10, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
Should the article include reference to this: For Hmong Hunters, a Guiding Voice in Their New Home? -- Pawyilee ( talk) 10:39, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
The article History of the Hmong in Merced, California seems to be an attempt by User:WhisperTome to incorporate information from Anne Fadiman's book The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down. Considering that we don't have parallel articles for Fresno or St. Paul Hmong (nor for other ethnic groups in particular cities, AFAIK), it doesn't seem like we should have a separate article. — Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɛ̃ɾ̃ˡi] 14:16, 7 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree that this article is too specific and reads like a book report rather than an encyclopedia article. Much of the excessive detail needs to be removed and the important details should be merged into the Hmong American article. The Merced community, while significant in the context of Fadiman's book, is not sufficiently notable to warrant its own article especially in light of the more significant communities elsewhere. Nposs ( talk) 04:14, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Done I have shortened the content of History of the Hmong in Merced, California and merged that article with Merced, California#Hmong community. — Ƶ§œš¹ [ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ] 03:37, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
I deleted the sentence that read "Hmong-American children born in the United States usually have much better access to education and jobs than that which their parents had, and thus have better economic opportunities than their parents would have had in their former homes."--because it was unsourced etc. I don't see this as the worst problem with that sentence or with the section on education. There is a problem here of cultural bias. If you are talking about pre-war Hmong, it is ridiculous to claim that their children have better access to education and jobs. After all, they had perfectly adequate education and opportunity to be Hmong hill-farmers, which there is nothing in the world wrong with. If you are comparing the US-born children's situation with that of people in refugee camps, the section seems ridiculously obvious. I don't think that's what the author meant, though. Writing like this distorts Hmong history, making it seem as though the Hmong struggled in Laos so they could abandon their homes for the US. They were fierce anti-communist fighters, but if they could have they'd have chosen to stay in the hills and keep on farming. Coming to the US is a better end for them than staying in camps in Thailand, but this wasn't what they wanted to begin with. There is a cultural bias here that suggests implicitly that American jobs and American education are better than other jobs or educations. It also suggests that immigration is a step up for the Hmong from the status quo ante bellum. This is a contention that doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article, and smacks of American elitism. Brechbill123 ( talk) 22:52, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
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At User_talk:RightCowLeftCoast#Politicians_and_ethnic_group_infoboxes I started a debate over whether to include Mee Moua's image here, but he argued it may be better to talk about this specific issue over here.
Rightcow argued that it could be perceived as being POV if one includes politicians in ethnic group infoboxes. Currently the Hmong American one only has Brenda Song with no Vang Pao and no Moua
WhisperToMe ( talk) 05:07, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
I see that no image of Lormong Lo has yet been provided. I have not found an image with no copyright restrictions, but under fair use since the subject is deceased an image can be used. I found this article where we can get a picture from; or if someone knows someone who runs this memorial site perhaps they can release an image to us.-- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
Please add a fair use rational per WP:NFC for the usage of the Vang Pao image at the Hmong American article. Otherwise image will need to be removed from the article's infobox. -- RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 23:29, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I am proposing to add a subsection in the “Community and social issues” section on health disparities in the Hmong American population. There is already a subsection on mental health, but I think adding an additional subsection can call to attention the disparity in understanding ‘Western’ versus traditional medicine practices. Please let me know your thoughts! Prisci8 ( talk) 22:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC) Please let me know if you have any questions/ideas on these proposed changes! For this Wikipedia page, I hope to make the following changes: 1) adding a "Health disparities" section; 2) adding citations throughout the "History" section; 3) editing the "Hmong by location" to add more depth to locations and to simplify longer sections. I hope to improve this currently C-rated class article, and welcome any feedback. Prisci8 ( talk) 22:31, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Infobox ethnicity representatives. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 07:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Asian American#Hmong American in infobox. Thanks. RightCowLeftCoast ( talk) 19:06, 4 May 2015 (UTC)
I suggest that a mental health section be added under the "Community Issues" subheading. Another suggestion would be to create a completely new section on mental health. This is a particularly significant issue for the Hmong American community, which has been postulated to be resultant from PTSD, depression, and/or stress from emigration. The issue of the prevalence of sudden and unexplained deaths during sleep amongst Hmong males should be mentioned. Additional areas that should be covered should include the Hmong's specific needs as well as barriers to accessing mental health care. Mtran99 ( talk) 08:22, 1 September 2016 (UTC)
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According to this article from about 10 years ago, use of the Hmong language had begun to decline in the US:
https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/hmong-language-endangered/
And according to this report from Education Week this year, the number of English-speakers of Hmong has declned 57% since 2006:
https://www.tcdailyplanet.net/hmong-language-endangered/
I'm not sure how to add this to the article, however.-- Beneficii ( talk) 15:02, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
I don't see how it is encyclopedic or due to include two entire paragraphs on specific organaization that are not notable. I had removed it for the listed reasons but that was reverted so I thought I'd take it to the talk page. What justification is there that this content is due or encyclopedic? Spyglass1 ( talk) 02:57, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
The notability guideline does not determine the content of articles, but only whether the topic may have its own article. From my view, this small amount of content is WP:DUE within the context of the section, and I plan to continue research to help develop this part of the article to help support the inclusion. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Beccaynr ( talk) 03:10, 16 February 2023 (UTC)