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" killed 39 during trials??? ==
I have surfed several sites including http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/i2/intellig.htm and found no mention at all of any deaths during testing. Is there some corroborating information somewhere? If not, this part should be changed. Steve Hyland ( talk) 10:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
update: nor was it built by A. Halstead, according to the site above and others. He wound up with the rights to it after several years of litigation. Steve Hyland ( talk) 10:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if the Sub Marine Explorer should be mentioned here. -- 345Kai 23:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
It's occasionally claimed, mainly by Russian sources, that the first military submarine was, at least in prototype form, by Yefim Nikonov in 1720. I'll see if I can dig up a good English-language reference. -- Delirium ( talk) 06:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw this at grid reference SJ328892 close to the Woodside terminal of the Mersey Ferry in Birkenhead, Wirral and a stone's throw from the Shore Road Pumping Station. My first reaction was to tag it {{ db-context}} because there was absolutely no word of explanation. Then I realised I was in the real world.
It is about 10 metres long and the hull is about 3 metres diameter. The use of wood suggests it is very old (as subs go). Can anyone supply details? — RHaworth ( Talk | contribs) 15:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's a replica of one of the two Resurgam submarines built during Victorian times and was put on display at the Woodside Ferry Terminal in 1997. Hope that helps. Coldmachine Talk 16:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. — RHaworth ( Talk | contribs) 17:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed information from this article drawn from or sourced from the paper "The First Attempts of Flight, Automatic Machines, Submarines and Rocket Technology in Turkish History" by Arslan Terzioglu. This source is unreliable, as discussed on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 27#Rocket_Technology_in_Turkish_history. Dialectric ( talk) 15:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"There were 70 operational submarines in 1939. Two classes were selected for mass production, the sea going "S class" and the ocean going "T class" as well as the coastal "U class". All were built in large numbers during the war."
This quote is in the 'Britain' section; surely 'S class', 'T class' and 'U class' adds up to three classes?
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I've taken a punt at expanding the lead. 2A02:C7F:2C68:D500:6D84:A993:6A33:A9DA ( talk) 13:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
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" killed 39 during trials??? ==
I have surfed several sites including http://www.history.navy.mil/danfs/i2/intellig.htm and found no mention at all of any deaths during testing. Is there some corroborating information somewhere? If not, this part should be changed. Steve Hyland ( talk) 10:41, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
update: nor was it built by A. Halstead, according to the site above and others. He wound up with the rights to it after several years of litigation. Steve Hyland ( talk) 10:50, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
I wonder if the Sub Marine Explorer should be mentioned here. -- 345Kai 23:35, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
It's occasionally claimed, mainly by Russian sources, that the first military submarine was, at least in prototype form, by Yefim Nikonov in 1720. I'll see if I can dig up a good English-language reference. -- Delirium ( talk) 06:53, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
I saw this at grid reference SJ328892 close to the Woodside terminal of the Mersey Ferry in Birkenhead, Wirral and a stone's throw from the Shore Road Pumping Station. My first reaction was to tag it {{ db-context}} because there was absolutely no word of explanation. Then I realised I was in the real world.
It is about 10 metres long and the hull is about 3 metres diameter. The use of wood suggests it is very old (as subs go). Can anyone supply details? — RHaworth ( Talk | contribs) 15:30, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
- It's a replica of one of the two Resurgam submarines built during Victorian times and was put on display at the Woodside Ferry Terminal in 1997. Hope that helps. Coldmachine Talk 16:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Many thanks. — RHaworth ( Talk | contribs) 17:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
I have removed information from this article drawn from or sourced from the paper "The First Attempts of Flight, Automatic Machines, Submarines and Rocket Technology in Turkish History" by Arslan Terzioglu. This source is unreliable, as discussed on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 27#Rocket_Technology_in_Turkish_history. Dialectric ( talk) 15:56, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
"There were 70 operational submarines in 1939. Two classes were selected for mass production, the sea going "S class" and the ocean going "T class" as well as the coastal "U class". All were built in large numbers during the war."
This quote is in the 'Britain' section; surely 'S class', 'T class' and 'U class' adds up to three classes?
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Submarines are designed to move over and under the sea explain briefly ??? 39.51.86.217 ( talk) 08:55, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- See displacement and buoyancy 2A02:C7F:2C68:D500:6D84:A993:6A33:A9DA ( talk) 13:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
I've taken a punt at expanding the lead. 2A02:C7F:2C68:D500:6D84:A993:6A33:A9DA ( talk) 13:27, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think it is factual that the history of submarines spans all of human history. That's a bit like saying modern medicine has existed since the Middle Kingdom because people very much wanted to heal sickness. 2601:249:9384:9C90:48F3:4C6:A84C:59AB ( talk) 02:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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