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The sexuality section contains a lot of synthesis and OR, making it seem like Hispanic American culture is extremely homophobic. As if there were no openly LGBT people among Hispanics. As if gender relations in Hispanic American society were similar to those in Afghanistan.
But as I'll show you, a lot of the citations completely fail to say anything like what this section says, and some of them have been twisted to fit the very obviously non-NPOV slant in this section. Such as:
"In Hispanic culture it is expected for men to partake only in heterosexual relationships, some men often seek multiple female partners to further prove their sexuality and masculinity.[219]"
No way. There is absolutely nothing in 219 that says this. This is a random study about condom use and partner numbers among heterosexual Hispanics. This is completely bogus.
"Due to the homophobia present in the Hispanic community, gay men feel a high sense of shame and guilt which leads to risky sexual behavior, leaving them at a risk for HIV and other STDs.[221]"
Actually, citation 221 says nothing like that.
"Marianismo dictates the traditional role of a Hispanic women, a woman is expected to remain sexually pure, submissive, and is seen as an object of pleasure for men.[227]"
This is pointless without specifying that this belief is not prevalent in Hispanic citizens of the USA, and study 227 says states specifically in the limitations section that "generalizability may be limited due to the non-probability sampling technique and because the study used a community-based sample that only included Hispanic immigrant women who mostly emigrated from Mexico."
" All are to be straight and women are to be virgins.[225]"
This ridiculous notion is nowhere to be found in 225 to this effect. This article is about women in Chile and says nothing about their culture being anti-heterosexuality. It also doesn't say that all women are expected to be virgins, but that they are expected to not engage in infidelity. But since the study isn't even about Hispanics in the USA, that's a moot point.
"A woman must carry herself like Mary in order to receive respect and keep the family's honor.[226]"
Ok, this made me laugh hysterically. There is nothing in 226 that says this. Not a single hit for "Mary" in the entire article.
One thing this section is critically lacking is a demography of LGBT people among Hispanics. If you look at the sexuality sections of Asian Americans or African Americans, they have content explaining the rate of LGBT identities within those communities. Hispanic Americans should have that too.
"The poll found 11% of U.S. Latino adults said they identified as LGBTQ, nearly twice the rate of 6.2% of non-Hispanic white adults and 6.6% of Black adults who said they were queer. The percentage of queer Latino adults was even higher among Gen Zers — the cohort born between 1997 and 2012 — where more than 1 in 5 said they were LGBTQ, the report found." [1] - 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:F0DE:B39F:CFEA:7A53 ( talk) 21:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm really having a hard time trying to understand why my recovering Eva Longoria's picture, which had been in the section Race for years, is highlighting only her native heritage in order to reach a certain conclusion, while on the other hand the pictures of Alexis Bledel, Zoe Saldaña and Daniella Alonso are apparently quite neutral and justified for the section. All of them female celebrities by the way. I don't understand the cherokee princess part either. Anyway, I must congratulate Koire292 on having such detailed information about Eva Longoria's ancestry, that could be an interesting addition for the section. Jotamar ( talk) 22:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 1 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Alexandra784 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Icecream209 ( talk) 07:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
In the terminology section of this article, it states, "Italian Americans are not cosidered Latino..." Could this bit of misinformation be further from the truth? Latino is the language of Ancient Rome. The ancient Latino people of Rome named their eponyous king "Latinus" (King of the Latino people.). The way to say "Latin" (language) in Italian is "Latino". In English, French and Spanish it's "Latin". In Portuguese, it's "Latim". Rome invented the alfabeto Latino we're using today, our calendar, our year, court system, etc. The continent of America is named after an Italian, Amerigo Vespucci. His given name is derived from the Ancient Latino name "Americus". "Latino" and its Italian plural "Latini" have been Italian given names and surnnames before the American continent got its name. www.houseofnames.com/latino-family-crest. Claudio di Roma ( talk) 01:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
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The sexuality section contains a lot of synthesis and OR, making it seem like Hispanic American culture is extremely homophobic. As if there were no openly LGBT people among Hispanics. As if gender relations in Hispanic American society were similar to those in Afghanistan.
But as I'll show you, a lot of the citations completely fail to say anything like what this section says, and some of them have been twisted to fit the very obviously non-NPOV slant in this section. Such as:
"In Hispanic culture it is expected for men to partake only in heterosexual relationships, some men often seek multiple female partners to further prove their sexuality and masculinity.[219]"
No way. There is absolutely nothing in 219 that says this. This is a random study about condom use and partner numbers among heterosexual Hispanics. This is completely bogus.
"Due to the homophobia present in the Hispanic community, gay men feel a high sense of shame and guilt which leads to risky sexual behavior, leaving them at a risk for HIV and other STDs.[221]"
Actually, citation 221 says nothing like that.
"Marianismo dictates the traditional role of a Hispanic women, a woman is expected to remain sexually pure, submissive, and is seen as an object of pleasure for men.[227]"
This is pointless without specifying that this belief is not prevalent in Hispanic citizens of the USA, and study 227 says states specifically in the limitations section that "generalizability may be limited due to the non-probability sampling technique and because the study used a community-based sample that only included Hispanic immigrant women who mostly emigrated from Mexico."
" All are to be straight and women are to be virgins.[225]"
This ridiculous notion is nowhere to be found in 225 to this effect. This article is about women in Chile and says nothing about their culture being anti-heterosexuality. It also doesn't say that all women are expected to be virgins, but that they are expected to not engage in infidelity. But since the study isn't even about Hispanics in the USA, that's a moot point.
"A woman must carry herself like Mary in order to receive respect and keep the family's honor.[226]"
Ok, this made me laugh hysterically. There is nothing in 226 that says this. Not a single hit for "Mary" in the entire article.
One thing this section is critically lacking is a demography of LGBT people among Hispanics. If you look at the sexuality sections of Asian Americans or African Americans, they have content explaining the rate of LGBT identities within those communities. Hispanic Americans should have that too.
"The poll found 11% of U.S. Latino adults said they identified as LGBTQ, nearly twice the rate of 6.2% of non-Hispanic white adults and 6.6% of Black adults who said they were queer. The percentage of queer Latino adults was even higher among Gen Zers — the cohort born between 1997 and 2012 — where more than 1 in 5 said they were LGBTQ, the report found." [1] - 2603:8080:2C00:1E00:F0DE:B39F:CFEA:7A53 ( talk) 21:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
I'm really having a hard time trying to understand why my recovering Eva Longoria's picture, which had been in the section Race for years, is highlighting only her native heritage in order to reach a certain conclusion, while on the other hand the pictures of Alexis Bledel, Zoe Saldaña and Daniella Alonso are apparently quite neutral and justified for the section. All of them female celebrities by the way. I don't understand the cherokee princess part either. Anyway, I must congratulate Koire292 on having such detailed information about Eva Longoria's ancestry, that could be an interesting addition for the section. Jotamar ( talk) 22:28, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 1 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Alexandra784 ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Icecream209 ( talk) 07:07, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
In the terminology section of this article, it states, "Italian Americans are not cosidered Latino..." Could this bit of misinformation be further from the truth? Latino is the language of Ancient Rome. The ancient Latino people of Rome named their eponyous king "Latinus" (King of the Latino people.). The way to say "Latin" (language) in Italian is "Latino". In English, French and Spanish it's "Latin". In Portuguese, it's "Latim". Rome invented the alfabeto Latino we're using today, our calendar, our year, court system, etc. The continent of America is named after an Italian, Amerigo Vespucci. His given name is derived from the Ancient Latino name "Americus". "Latino" and its Italian plural "Latini" have been Italian given names and surnnames before the American continent got its name. www.houseofnames.com/latino-family-crest. Claudio di Roma ( talk) 01:07, 16 March 2024 (UTC)