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The article gives a lot of credits to various producers and rappers, mentions a lot of specific drum machines and has a sloppy writing style ("...for snatching the eye of hip hop from Dr. Dre's more polished sound in 1993, with his more gritty sound with low rumbling bass..."). I expected an article about music production, but it looks like some fanboy just wanted to write down the names of all his idols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 ( talk) 21:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the worst articles I've seen on wiki in almost every way. But I dont have the energy or compunction to argue about it. All I can do is tell you so.
Glad somebody said it because I completely agree with the guy above. Despite the importance of the topic to modern music, the article is atrocious. It reads as if somebody with a mediocre knowledge of rap typed it up off the top of his head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.160.198 ( talk) 23:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
There are many other kinds of production where the producer makes the instrumentation. I say this needs to be generalized to include all electronic music production, including various forms of techno, new wave, trance, DnB, Pop, etc. 70.122.48.172 ( talk) 07:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The intro seems redundant. Hip hop producers obviously are the guys who do hip-hop production.-- Urthogie 13:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
There are an enormous amount of rap songs that do not feature samples of other artists. It is in no way critical to the song. -- Puppetrevolt 10:44,26 February, 2006 (UTC)
Learn to read, thanks. -- Mod 04:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
in my opinion, the topic does not really go in depth into the history and progression of the history of hip hop production.
Review the following and add to it as you see fit. When you feel it's at its fullest, transfer it to the main page. -- Mod 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The first instruments used in hip-hop production were two turntables, a mixer, and a microphone. DJ Kool Herc used the mixer fade controls to switch between two turntables playing the identical records at different times. The result was that a section of a record could be effectively prolonged, the parallel to today's loop-based DAWs and hardware loop equipment.
Kurtis Blow became the first artist to use a digital sampler, the Fairlight, in a song. The Roland TR-808 was introduced in 1980. The E-mu SP-12 came out in 1985, capable of 2.5 seconds of recording time. The SP-1200 promptly followed with expanded recording time. The Akai MPC-60 came out in 1987, capable of 12 seconds of sampling time. In 1983, Run-DMC recorded "It's Like That" and "Sucker MCs," two songs which relied completely on beats, ignoring samples entirely. In 1986, Afrika Bambaataa released Planet Rock, which gave rise to the fledgling techno genre, along with the genre's own pioneers Derrick May and Juan Atkins by sampling Kraftwerk's "Trans Europa Express."
The MPC3000 was released in 1994, followed by the MPC2000 in 1997, and the MPC2000XL in 2000. With the 1994 release of Notorious BIG's Ready to Die, Sean Combs and his assisting producers ushered in a new style where entire sections of records were sampled, instead of short snippets. Records like "Warning" ( Isaac Hayes's "Walk On By"), and "One More Chance (Remix)" (El Debarge's "Stay With Me") epitomized this aesthetic.
Modulatum, you need to readup. It isn't explained what Planet Rock really accomplished as far as pioneering in hip-hop(and Run-DMC's production accomplishment is kind of inaccurately presented as well). Readup. -- Urthogie 12:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
1. Live bands (see below)
2. Drum machines and other digital equipment like synthesizers. This was introduced by Bambaataa I believe and is highly influential if you listen to production in the late 90s and later, e.g. Timbaland. One of the main reasons for its resurgence in popularity were the legal difficulties and high costs with sampling.
3. Sampling/breaks. This is what interests me the most and it is integral to hip-hop from around 86-96. It also evolved into the more fractured choppy sound begun by Premo on songs like Full Clip, Nas is Like, When I B on the Mic, etc. There is a LOT that needs to be written about sampling. Does anyone want to discuss it a little, so we can make a plan for a better resource on the history of hip-hop production?
I also propose splitting the article into seperate "history of hip-hop production" and "technical aspects of hip-hop production". These articles are potentially very big.
Taramenos 22nd July 2006.
To stop at the early 90's with equipment is to pretty much nullify all the software and great midi controllers that have revolutionized hip-hop production over the last 10 years. Software and midi controllers have brought the possibility of producing hip-hop to the masses thus stimulating diversity. site: http://www.beatsthatblaze.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.90.228 ( talk) 05:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Live instrumentation is rare? Thats false and is an over statement. Back when they were strictly sampling and looping breaks, but live insturmentation is any but rare in hip hip. Live instruments are very active in hip hp music and if anything are added to songs with samples, espsically bass lines. When someone speeds up a sample to make a song they usually remake the bassline using live bass. When someone plays a melody on a keyboard, even those that are synths, thats technically live. Guitars, pianos, bass, brass is used widley in hip hop sense the mid 90s and espaiclly nowdays live music is everywhere.
"""Rapper's Delight" ( The Sugarhill Gang) and "The Breaks" ( Kurtis Blow) were recorded with live studio bands.
Are you serious? Rappers delight is probaly one of the biggest examples of sampling we have. The original sample "Good Times" by Chic most likely was but not Rappers delight which samples from it. If anything the bass was redone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.188.96 ( talk) 22:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Live instruments didn't originally play the samples, DJs did, and Rapper's Delight is a sample, they just claimed they used a live band, probably to avoid getting sued. The live band was a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.188.3 ( talk) 15:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Almost all that is stated under 'vocal recording' is true, except the sentence about condenser microphones. The 'dying' of condensers due to the loss of charge after years of service used to happen with electret type condenser mics only, and in recent years this problem has been solved by technology - at least in professional equipment. Mics that need phantom power (i.e. 'real' condensers, not of the electret type) have never shown this problem anyway. BTW the requirement of phantom power is only a minor disadvantage of condenser microphones. Almost every mixer, pre-amp or audio interface used in pro or home setups provides this kind of power supply. It can even be drawn from a computer's usb-connection. The main disadvantage of a condenser is its delicacy, being the only reason dynamics are still in use for live performance.-- JustinTerested 15:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
people are trying to make money with these links. we ought to just link to free sites - we dont need to help these pay sites boost their pagerank like this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.173.126.147 ( talk) 18:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
Why and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 09:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Where and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 09:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Women who serve as producers within the genre of Hip Hop should be mentioned in this article. Although their may be few well known female producers,Sylvia Robinson should be mentioned in this article due to her production contributions to the creation of "Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang which is deemed as one of the first songs to enter into the mainstream Hip Hop scene. Sage Cadence ( talk) 14:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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The article gives a lot of credits to various producers and rappers, mentions a lot of specific drum machines and has a sloppy writing style ("...for snatching the eye of hip hop from Dr. Dre's more polished sound in 1993, with his more gritty sound with low rumbling bass..."). I expected an article about music production, but it looks like some fanboy just wanted to write down the names of all his idols. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.253.186.62 ( talk) 21:30, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
This is one of the worst articles I've seen on wiki in almost every way. But I dont have the energy or compunction to argue about it. All I can do is tell you so.
Glad somebody said it because I completely agree with the guy above. Despite the importance of the topic to modern music, the article is atrocious. It reads as if somebody with a mediocre knowledge of rap typed it up off the top of his head. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.109.160.198 ( talk) 23:53, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
There are many other kinds of production where the producer makes the instrumentation. I say this needs to be generalized to include all electronic music production, including various forms of techno, new wave, trance, DnB, Pop, etc. 70.122.48.172 ( talk) 07:25, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
The intro seems redundant. Hip hop producers obviously are the guys who do hip-hop production.-- Urthogie 13:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
There are an enormous amount of rap songs that do not feature samples of other artists. It is in no way critical to the song. -- Puppetrevolt 10:44,26 February, 2006 (UTC)
Learn to read, thanks. -- Mod 04:18, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
in my opinion, the topic does not really go in depth into the history and progression of the history of hip hop production.
Review the following and add to it as you see fit. When you feel it's at its fullest, transfer it to the main page. -- Mod 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
The first instruments used in hip-hop production were two turntables, a mixer, and a microphone. DJ Kool Herc used the mixer fade controls to switch between two turntables playing the identical records at different times. The result was that a section of a record could be effectively prolonged, the parallel to today's loop-based DAWs and hardware loop equipment.
Kurtis Blow became the first artist to use a digital sampler, the Fairlight, in a song. The Roland TR-808 was introduced in 1980. The E-mu SP-12 came out in 1985, capable of 2.5 seconds of recording time. The SP-1200 promptly followed with expanded recording time. The Akai MPC-60 came out in 1987, capable of 12 seconds of sampling time. In 1983, Run-DMC recorded "It's Like That" and "Sucker MCs," two songs which relied completely on beats, ignoring samples entirely. In 1986, Afrika Bambaataa released Planet Rock, which gave rise to the fledgling techno genre, along with the genre's own pioneers Derrick May and Juan Atkins by sampling Kraftwerk's "Trans Europa Express."
The MPC3000 was released in 1994, followed by the MPC2000 in 1997, and the MPC2000XL in 2000. With the 1994 release of Notorious BIG's Ready to Die, Sean Combs and his assisting producers ushered in a new style where entire sections of records were sampled, instead of short snippets. Records like "Warning" ( Isaac Hayes's "Walk On By"), and "One More Chance (Remix)" (El Debarge's "Stay With Me") epitomized this aesthetic.
Modulatum, you need to readup. It isn't explained what Planet Rock really accomplished as far as pioneering in hip-hop(and Run-DMC's production accomplishment is kind of inaccurately presented as well). Readup. -- Urthogie 12:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
1. Live bands (see below)
2. Drum machines and other digital equipment like synthesizers. This was introduced by Bambaataa I believe and is highly influential if you listen to production in the late 90s and later, e.g. Timbaland. One of the main reasons for its resurgence in popularity were the legal difficulties and high costs with sampling.
3. Sampling/breaks. This is what interests me the most and it is integral to hip-hop from around 86-96. It also evolved into the more fractured choppy sound begun by Premo on songs like Full Clip, Nas is Like, When I B on the Mic, etc. There is a LOT that needs to be written about sampling. Does anyone want to discuss it a little, so we can make a plan for a better resource on the history of hip-hop production?
I also propose splitting the article into seperate "history of hip-hop production" and "technical aspects of hip-hop production". These articles are potentially very big.
Taramenos 22nd July 2006.
To stop at the early 90's with equipment is to pretty much nullify all the software and great midi controllers that have revolutionized hip-hop production over the last 10 years. Software and midi controllers have brought the possibility of producing hip-hop to the masses thus stimulating diversity. site: http://www.beatsthatblaze.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.134.90.228 ( talk) 05:15, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
Live instrumentation is rare? Thats false and is an over statement. Back when they were strictly sampling and looping breaks, but live insturmentation is any but rare in hip hip. Live instruments are very active in hip hp music and if anything are added to songs with samples, espsically bass lines. When someone speeds up a sample to make a song they usually remake the bassline using live bass. When someone plays a melody on a keyboard, even those that are synths, thats technically live. Guitars, pianos, bass, brass is used widley in hip hop sense the mid 90s and espaiclly nowdays live music is everywhere.
"""Rapper's Delight" ( The Sugarhill Gang) and "The Breaks" ( Kurtis Blow) were recorded with live studio bands.
Are you serious? Rappers delight is probaly one of the biggest examples of sampling we have. The original sample "Good Times" by Chic most likely was but not Rappers delight which samples from it. If anything the bass was redone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.34.188.96 ( talk) 22:05, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
Live instruments didn't originally play the samples, DJs did, and Rapper's Delight is a sample, they just claimed they used a live band, probably to avoid getting sued. The live band was a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.160.188.3 ( talk) 15:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Almost all that is stated under 'vocal recording' is true, except the sentence about condenser microphones. The 'dying' of condensers due to the loss of charge after years of service used to happen with electret type condenser mics only, and in recent years this problem has been solved by technology - at least in professional equipment. Mics that need phantom power (i.e. 'real' condensers, not of the electret type) have never shown this problem anyway. BTW the requirement of phantom power is only a minor disadvantage of condenser microphones. Almost every mixer, pre-amp or audio interface used in pro or home setups provides this kind of power supply. It can even be drawn from a computer's usb-connection. The main disadvantage of a condenser is its delicacy, being the only reason dynamics are still in use for live performance.-- JustinTerested 15:10, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
people are trying to make money with these links. we ought to just link to free sites - we dont need to help these pay sites boost their pagerank like this —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.173.126.147 ( talk) 18:12, 14 May 2007 (UTC).
Why and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 09:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Where and how so? Hyacinth ( talk) 09:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Women who serve as producers within the genre of Hip Hop should be mentioned in this article. Although their may be few well known female producers,Sylvia Robinson should be mentioned in this article due to her production contributions to the creation of "Rapper's Delight" by The Sugarhill Gang which is deemed as one of the first songs to enter into the mainstream Hip Hop scene. Sage Cadence ( talk) 14:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)
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