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I added refimprove tag on the hadith/function section. It seems to be one-sided and doesn't give more information on the cited hadith. For instance see this quote by Mohamed Zakariya, from The Hilye of the Prophet Muhammad:
An interesting but questionable hadith, which was thought to be genuine until recently, may shed some light on the significance of the hilye. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "He who sees my hilye after me, it is as if he had actually seen me, and he who sees it out of love and desire for me, God will forbid the fire of Hell to touch him. He will be safe from the trials of the grave, and he will not be sent forth naked on the day of resurrection.” This hadith, whatever its status, refers, of course, not to the calligraphic composition of the hilye but to the physical, moral, and spiritual description of the Prophet (peace be Upon him).
Apparently, some of these ahadith are of questionable authenticity. Some or all do not refer to the calligraphic hilya. We should probably try to integrate this point in that section, or try to find more sources for the hadith in question. Wiqi( 55) 06:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
The sections of the hilye that are flanking the etek (skirt) section are called "koltuk" in Turkish. Koltuk can mean several things in Turkish: [4] including "armchair", (fig:) "seat (position) of authority", "shoulder joint", "support beam", and (archaic:) "marginal, deserted place". In English articles on the topic of hilye, I have seen it translated in various ways, but I believe the correct one is the last one I gave above (defined as Kenar, tenha yer in Turkish). My reason is that in most Turkish texts on the topic of hilye, koltuk is described as the empty areas on both sides of the text that are illuminated. I have also seen it mentioned that, in addition to hilyes, in most Diwans, blank areas on the page empty of text that are illuminated are also called koltuk [5]. For now I have used "fringe" in the article here, but I am not sure if this is the best word. Perhaps "gap" or "margin"? I am open to better suggestions. -- İnfoCan ( talk) 20:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Should we move the article to hilye, the Turkish term? I think it might make sense, as in Arabic, the literary genre is not called hilya, but shama'il, and the whole tradition is really Turkish rather than Arabic. -- J N 466 19:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The level 3 section Hilye#Popularity contains information about both the literary genre and the graphic art form. Should it be split or moved as a level 2 section at the end of the article (following section Hilye#Graphic art form? -- İnfoCan ( talk) 18:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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I added refimprove tag on the hadith/function section. It seems to be one-sided and doesn't give more information on the cited hadith. For instance see this quote by Mohamed Zakariya, from The Hilye of the Prophet Muhammad:
An interesting but questionable hadith, which was thought to be genuine until recently, may shed some light on the significance of the hilye. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "He who sees my hilye after me, it is as if he had actually seen me, and he who sees it out of love and desire for me, God will forbid the fire of Hell to touch him. He will be safe from the trials of the grave, and he will not be sent forth naked on the day of resurrection.” This hadith, whatever its status, refers, of course, not to the calligraphic composition of the hilye but to the physical, moral, and spiritual description of the Prophet (peace be Upon him).
Apparently, some of these ahadith are of questionable authenticity. Some or all do not refer to the calligraphic hilya. We should probably try to integrate this point in that section, or try to find more sources for the hadith in question. Wiqi( 55) 06:52, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
The sections of the hilye that are flanking the etek (skirt) section are called "koltuk" in Turkish. Koltuk can mean several things in Turkish: [4] including "armchair", (fig:) "seat (position) of authority", "shoulder joint", "support beam", and (archaic:) "marginal, deserted place". In English articles on the topic of hilye, I have seen it translated in various ways, but I believe the correct one is the last one I gave above (defined as Kenar, tenha yer in Turkish). My reason is that in most Turkish texts on the topic of hilye, koltuk is described as the empty areas on both sides of the text that are illuminated. I have also seen it mentioned that, in addition to hilyes, in most Diwans, blank areas on the page empty of text that are illuminated are also called koltuk [5]. For now I have used "fringe" in the article here, but I am not sure if this is the best word. Perhaps "gap" or "margin"? I am open to better suggestions. -- İnfoCan ( talk) 20:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Should we move the article to hilye, the Turkish term? I think it might make sense, as in Arabic, the literary genre is not called hilya, but shama'il, and the whole tradition is really Turkish rather than Arabic. -- J N 466 19:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
The level 3 section Hilye#Popularity contains information about both the literary genre and the graphic art form. Should it be split or moved as a level 2 section at the end of the article (following section Hilye#Graphic art form? -- İnfoCan ( talk) 18:14, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
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