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[Negative material that was here has been removed. Peter O. ( Talk) 17:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)]
someone should please edit into this that haley barbour is leading the nation in education cuts. he won't raise taxes on people who can afford it here, and continues to hurt our children and our public services.
source: "The additional 3.2 percent reduction to the K-12 education budget announced today by Governor Barbour totals $75,413,738, including $66,122,814 to the Mississippi Adequate Education Program (MAEP), a program passed by the legislature to provide adequate and equitable funding for all schools. Not only do these cuts come late in the budget year, they are in addition to the more than $116 million previously cut from K-12 education during this fiscal year." - http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/superintendent_responds_to_education_cuts/
i know biography is important but i think some attention should be paid to the actual policies. he is responsible for this . i would personally edit this page but i am not good at it technically. if anyone would please take the time, many in MS and nation would appreciate the clearer content and context of his reign in MS. thank you 76.123.142.53 ( talk) 20:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC) d
I clicked on the internet link and no article appears. This is a serious charge, and the comment in the wiki entry is unattributed. I know Haley Barbour, and I have a hard time believing he made that comment. The editor should clear this up, or remove the quote entirely.
In the "Other Accomplishments" section, Gov. Barbour's balancing of the $700 million budget deficit without raising taxes is mentioned, followed by a list of areas in which he increased spending. All that's said of where this money came from is "He kept the budget in the black by cutting in other areas." It seems to me that, in order to not be unevenly positive on Mr. Barfour's financial feats, those areas that got cut should be mentioned. I'm pretty sure he cut Medicare or Medicaid (probably both), but someone more knowledgeable should put that information in. ( SenorCrunchy 19:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC))
The original section read as follows:
During this failed bid for Senator a controversy arose at a campaigning stump when Barbour was caught espousing racist views in a joking manner. In the presence of the press he and an aide were complaining that "coons" were going to be at a campaign stop at the state fair. Barbour warned the aide, in front of reporters, that if the aide persisted in racist remarks, he would be "reincarnated as a watermelon and placed at the mercy of blacks." Barbour Campaign Shows GOP's Racist Side
Yet, reading the source, this is not what happened. I have re-inserted information regarding the controversy as sourced in the article. Yet, reading the source, this is not what happened. I have re-inserted information regarding the controversy as sourced in the article.
Huh? The article gives a racist quote which is directly attributable to Barbour. "Barbour warned the aide, in front of reporters, that if the aide persisted in racist remarks, he would be 'reincarnated as a watermelon and placed at the mercy of blacks.'" Restored 1982 campaign controversy
Reasons for recent edits - point by point:
1. Heading changes -
The headings were '1982 campaign controversy' and '2003 campaign controversy' - I changed them to 1982 campaign for senate and 2003 campaign for governor. Wikipedia is not made for collecting left-wing dossiers on Republican politicians - I don't even like Haley Barbour, but this is a biogrpahical article and thus the important thing is that he ran for those two offices in those two years, not the controversies that occurred. If you notice, though, I did not remove the controversies from the article, I merely corrected them to adhere to a better NPOV and factual accuracy.
2. 1982 'Campaign Controversy' - if you read the article that is sourced, it clearly states that Barbour was not the one telling the jokes - so whoever wrote the initial entry must have intentionally falsified the information. I cleaned up the entry to more accurately depict the controversy.
3. 2003 'Campaign Controversy' - most of this is not sourced at all, so I removed the unsourced portions and added some more information regarding the CCC to make up for it. Per your request, I will remove the references to Trent Lott and Dick Gephardt.
4. Barbour's service as RNC Chairman for 4 years was not even mentioned in the article, and this is certainly a very important part of his bio. Likewise for his work as Executive Director of the Mississippi GOP in 1976.
5. I didn't remove anything regarding the tobacco industry influences, I merely created a new heading for his Governorship and then put the tobacco and katrina stuff as subheadings underneath it.
Mr. Zegel, your constant reversions are unprofessional and reek of an ideological point of view. You apparently seek to whitewash Mr. Barbour's career without regard to truth. The fact that he appeared at a CCC barbecue is beyond dispute and was a well-reported aspect of the 2003 election. Your philosophy of NPOV would appear to be that absolutely anything that could be construed to reflect negatively upon an individual should be declared out of bounds. As such articles are meant to be biographies and not hagiographies, you are clearly in error. I have requested assistance in this matter. KrJnX
Partisan statements, restored by anonymous user 64.12.117.8, have been reverted so that the article presents a Neutral Point of View in accordance with Wikipedia policy.-- StanZegel 13:38, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It is not partisan if it is true. Everything from his comments abot HeadStart to his Medicaid program is public record. Look it up. I'd suggest www.clarionledger.com This is the state-wide paper of Mississippi. But of course, I could see why some would want to hide his record. It is horrible afterall. Or just take a look here:
Barbour and HeadStart: http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=31912&pub=1&div=News
Barbour and Medicaid: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11HERB.html?ex=1402286400&en=9a5f320b9b61705d&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
My motivation? I voted for Barbour, but his actions have hurt a lot of good people. But the fact remains that what I put in the article was indeed true. Seeing your comment about Wikipedia policy, I went and search articles of other politicans...I see your point. I see that you have tried to have me blocked...as you can see I can get around any ISP ban. But I will refrain since my post did go outside the policy.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Fox News is the one and only one in major news coverage to place the blame on both Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco. Fox News failed to mention about the responsiblity of Alabama and Mississippi's governors failure of saving their states. You realize that Louisiana's governor is Democrat and New Orleans mayor is now a Democrat. Fox seems to lack their coverage of how many people are still trapped in the city. Fox News has not ever had the pleasure of interviewing Nagin or Blanco. I guess they knew that Fox News was going to entertain their conservative audience by placing blame on those who carry less power than the people at Washington. So now that Fox knows what going on at the local and state level, they need to go after the neighboring states. Of course, Nagin is in a crisis, Blanco is in a crisis, and Bush is in DC trying to make more a publiciity by giving money to these states. Of course, other countries are trying to help and Bush is refusing most of them! Fox News failed to state that the late response time from FEMA, the Bush Administration's role, and of course, the refugee and looters comments, alongside Alabama and Mississippi's non-stop crisis, too! I'm not too thrilled with Fox News coverage. LILVOKA 2005 September 7 13:35
Well, what do you ecxpect from Faux news channel, but anyway, you can goto FOX new channel page to talk about this, not here. -- C.levin 00:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
One unregistered user just post a polling result, please also indicate the source, relevent part has been moved here, please modify the source when you try to move it back to main article.
According to a SurveyUSA poll, Governor Barbour has fared the best politically in comparision to President Bush, Governor Blanco, Mayor Nagin, Secretary Chertoff, and Undersecretary Brown.
-- C.levin 23:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I edited it out several words which were clearly partisan in origin. "Attempts to smear Barbour" is not appropriate, but "controversy" is an easier word to use. Also branding people with a different point of view as "extremists" is out of line, so I removed that word as well. There seem to be some conservatives lurking around this article attempting to use it for their own purposes.
Some redneck neanderthal insists on vandalizing this article so he can refer to people who were offended by the governor's appearance at a racist event as "extremists", and "attempts to smear him". Use neutral language or go away.
Someone continually reverts edits to enter non-neutral designations into the campaign section of this article, specifically, calling the firestorm in the media "partisan", people who opposed the governor's appearance at the CCC event "extremists" and claiming that "attempts to smear him" were made. Flat out crossing the line with that language. Stop reverting the article or I say we lock it down.
-- TheBurningHelm 19:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a strong resemblence to old-time New Jersey politican William Warren Barbour. Are they related? Dvd Avins 12:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Alsayid, what are your cites in opposition to justify your enduring vandalism to the 2003 Campaign Controversy? This is how it ought to read:
2003 Campaign Controversy
After two decades in Washington D.C., Barbour announced in 2003 his intention to run for governor of Mississippi. On August 5, 2003, he won the Republican gubernatorial primary over Canton attorney Mitch Tyner.
During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools," also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies," were established by the racist White Citizens' Councilmovement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (abbreviated CCC or CofCC). The lynchpin of Citizens' Councils has traditionally been opposition to racial integration in public schools
A photograph of Barbour with CCC members appeared on the CCC webpage, and some commentators and pundits demanded that Barbour ask for his picture to be removed from the site, but Barbour refused. Barbour's race-baiting tactic proved to be successful and his popularity within the establishment of white Mississippi grew shortly after this controversey with CCC. He was soon to be elected governor.
Mongolian: What do you mean "I can't 'say' the [WCC] is racist." Why not? (Emphasis on the word "White") Feel free to argue their history with me here. Otherwise, it is presumed that any racial exclusionary movement is by design "racist." Sorry if this stings you a bit.
What words do you propose in lieu of "lynchpin" or "pundit"? Personally, I like the word lynchpin, but I think lodestar would work, as well. I just don't think many non-lawyers use the word "lodestar."
Also, when dealing with the Deep South words like "lynch" just seem to roll off the tongue.
As to your exception to the term "race-baiting"--What do you propose Barbour's intent was in campaigning at a fundraiser for a whites only school in the Deep South?
Nonetheless, I do appreciate your attempt at dialouge, as opposed to the recurring POV vandalism Alsayid continues to engage in. Let's talk about his proposed passage. He edits:
"During the campaign, a photograph of Barbour attending the Council of Conservative Citizens co-sponsored Blackhawk Rally appeared on the CCC's website. The NAACP, which has called the CCC racist, said Barbour should demand his picture removed from the website. Barbour responded "Once you start down the slippery slope of saying 'That person can't be for me,' then where do you stop?... I don't care who has my picture. My picture's in the public domain." Barbour's Democratic opponent, Governor Musgrove, declined to be critical, stating that he had also attended Blackhawk rallies in the past, and would have done so that year except for a scheduling conflict."
Inserting the "NAACP viewpoint" in the paragraph is only relevant in so much as a description for the National Socialist Party in Germany ought to include the Anti Defamation League's "opinion" that the holocaust was anti-semetic. History proves the holocaust, like the Citizens' Council movement, was racist in design.
To illustrate this, take note of what exactly the "Blackhawk Rally" is. Rather than speak of the controversy in a vacuum, readers to this wiki entry ought to know what type of "controversy" Barbour was embroiled in when he chose to speak at the Citizens' Council's Blackhawk Rally. The following entry does this:
"During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools," also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies," were established by the racist White Citizens' Council movement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (abbreviated CCC or CofCC). The lynchpin of Citizens' Councils has traditionally been opposition to racial integration in public schools."
The primary distinction between the two entries are Barbour's humorous liberty quotations (which need a cite) in response to the controversy, versus a description of why a controversy erupted. I think there is room for Barbour's quotes in response to the controversy. But, we also need to have an entry on what was so controversial in his decision to speak at a "council school" and to educate the reader about what a "council school" aka "Mississippi academy" is. The phenomena of such institutions is extremely local to Mississippi and most readers will have never entertained the concept of such institutions existing in America (even in Mississippi) in the 21st century. The fact that Babour stump speeched there is fascinating.
To paste an earlier post regarding your edits:
Please add to the discussion before you continue your behavior of POV apologist editing on behalf of Haley Barbour. I would like you to talk about your most recent edit to 2003 Campaign Controversy. We have a discussion going here.-- Cortez3100
There seems to be a revert war over the wording of the blackhawk rally section. The first thing to do is to stop the revert war. The seocnd thing to do is to explore the two versions and decide on a compromise. As far as I can tell there is no dissent from the fact of his attending the rally, none from the fact that CCC is widely viewed as a racist organsiation, none from the view that whites-only schools owe their existence to deep-seated racism. It seems that his political opponents are in the same boat, and do not condemn him; it also seems that the NAACP find it problematic that he chooses to give an apparent endorsement to this institution. We can say both things, as long as we do so in neutral terms. So: start with the facts which are beyond dispute, then give a very short summary as to why this is considered problematic, then give a very short summary of why it might not be. Once we've seen whjat that looks like, then hopefully an agreement can be reached. But a revert war is not going to fix anything, and this is about individual interpetations of verifiable fact so we can't fix it by magically waving policy either. Just zis Guy you know? 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
As long as you continue to vandalize this article, Alsayid, there is no compromise to your hotly contested edits. Perhaps editing out this sentence, "Barbour's race-baiting tactic proved to be successful and his popularity within the establishment of white Mississippi grew shortly after this controversey with CCC. He was soon to be elected governor," is a fair compromise. However, cleansing out any criticisms of Barbour, as you have done today throughout this article, will hopefully result in administrative intervention. I've gone ahead and removed that sentence as a compromise to your concerns. -- Cortez3100
I probably hate Haley Barbour more than any other American politician, but even to me this article seems a little too negative to be truly NPOV. Is there anything positive to say about him or his policies other than the little Rudy Giuliani bit? If I knew of any good things he's done I'd add them, but I can't think of any. Shayborg 00:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Tdl1060 keeps deleting this section, claiming that it was "unsourced". This is false, as I stated in the edit summary. The source was the New York Times.
If you want to delete it, Tdl1060, tell me what your real reason is. Nbauman 01:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
He won the re-election. I have no source or citation so I didn't bother posting it but I just wanted to get that out there so someone would. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.150.157 ( talk) 04:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm blogging about T Boon Picken's million dollar Swift Boat challenge and am speculating that Pickens is going to welch on it. That reminds me of when Haley Barbour stood up on national TV with a gigantic check for something like a million dollars to anyone who could prove that the GOP proposals would cut Social Security benefits. Of course, a number of people took him up on the challenge but Barbour didn't pay a dime -- instead he counter-sued them in Mississippi courts with a nuisance law suit.
The case accurately cited below did not involve a nuisance suit but was a decision on the merits that the claimants failed to make their case that Barbour was wrong -- the fairly obvious implication being that Barbour's assertion that "the claims about cuts were false" was in fact accurate. (MTP)
I've Googled and Googles about that story but with no luck. Do any of you have a memory of it or -- better yet -- a link to a news article? I'm thinking this is circa 1994 but am not sure. -- Calan ( talk) 20:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's Republican National Committee v. Taylor, 299 F.3d 887 (D.C. Cir. 2002). The decision was that there was intent to form a binding contract which anyone could have accepted by sending a coupon proving Barbour wrong. Acceptance of a contract is valid on dispatch with the appropriate transmitting agency.-- 76.210.248.221 ( talk) 03:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I have seen several people report something like the following:
The article in question that this comes from appears to be a 1982 New York Times article that can be found here [1]. Its behind a paywall so I can't verify its accuracy, but I was hoping someone else could so that we could clear up exactly what happened and then decide whether it should be included in the article. Remember ( talk) 13:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
CREW is described by the Washington Post has "A prominent Washington advocacy group" [2] and (in connection with their critical remarks on Democrat Maxine Waters) as " a nonpartisan watchdog group." [3] Their 2010 list of the most corrupt members of congress includes just about equal numbers of D and R. [4] If somebody wants to present Barbour's defense when called one of America's most corrupt governors by them, find some better way than by attempting to discredit CREW by labeling them as "liberal," which is offtopic and POV. Questionic ( talk) 16:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
The group does self describe themselves as a "progressive" group to be fair. They have former Democratic party employees in key areas and have rarely hit Democrats with their "worst of list" unless they are already nationally considered in that group. They see themselves as a left leaning Judiacial Watch. This is all from their site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.43.163 ( talk) 14:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
There are a lot of uncited quotations relating to Barbour's recent statements about MLK, the Klan, etc. It's good that this issue has been included in the article, but it needs to be tightened up and cited properly. I know I'm supposed to Be Bold, but I am just a current-events rubbernecker who knows nothing about Barbour, and I'd rather leave the job to someone with a little more knowledge of the situation. TremorMilo ( talk) 15:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the separate Criticisms section of the article – but not the material itself – as having separate "controversies" or "criticisms" or "scandals" sections or subarticles is considered a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:Content forking, and WP:Criticism. In particular, a special effort was undertaken to rid all 2008 presidential candidates' biographical articles of such treatment — see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States presidential elections/Archive 1#Status of "controversies" pages — and the same should be done for any of the likely 2012 contenders.
I've also reordered the sections for chronological flow, so that the article makes more sense to follow. I haven't added or removed any actual content, just restructured. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I think this should be mentioned in light of Mr. Barbour's latest comments refusing to denounce a controversial proposal to honor Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the founders of the KKK, an American terrorist organization. There are hundreds of articles written within the last 24 hours highlighting his comments. [5] 70.88.141.161 ( talk) 23:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
This should be annotated in the "controversy" section. Ryoung122 22:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Unless there is more to this I think the race part should be left out, for now. The "controversy" is what they did, not their race. Also it seems this is par for the course for Gov's in his state when they leave office. So he is not the first to do this. I may update it later but need more Refs to keep it non-biased. -- Sallynice ( talk) 20:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I edited the 2012 pardon part. I made sure to point out the pardons are not uncommon but why this is an issue. I also added a REF for further support. I could not find anything else talking about race so I left that out. And I also edited the court blockage as it was not written correctly. Once this is final in court, weather the pardons are good or not, one more final edit can be made. But don't want to expand to much compared to the rest of hist actions. -- Sallynice ( talk) 12:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I reverted the contributions made in this edit for the following reasons:
The IP user's additions fail to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability, especially for BLPs. RJaguar3 | u | t 20:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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Perhaps there should be a section about Barbour’s work as a lobbyist for the coal industry? I’m not expert enough to write one, but someone else here might be willing to do the research? Sources: 2013 AP story, Sierra Club report, NY Times story. –70.36.196.50 03:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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[Negative material that was here has been removed. Peter O. ( Talk) 17:55, 16 September 2006 (UTC)]
someone should please edit into this that haley barbour is leading the nation in education cuts. he won't raise taxes on people who can afford it here, and continues to hurt our children and our public services.
source: "The additional 3.2 percent reduction to the K-12 education budget announced today by Governor Barbour totals $75,413,738, including $66,122,814 to the Mississippi Adequate Education Program (MAEP), a program passed by the legislature to provide adequate and equitable funding for all schools. Not only do these cuts come late in the budget year, they are in addition to the more than $116 million previously cut from K-12 education during this fiscal year." - http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/superintendent_responds_to_education_cuts/
i know biography is important but i think some attention should be paid to the actual policies. he is responsible for this . i would personally edit this page but i am not good at it technically. if anyone would please take the time, many in MS and nation would appreciate the clearer content and context of his reign in MS. thank you 76.123.142.53 ( talk) 20:03, 25 July 2010 (UTC) d
I clicked on the internet link and no article appears. This is a serious charge, and the comment in the wiki entry is unattributed. I know Haley Barbour, and I have a hard time believing he made that comment. The editor should clear this up, or remove the quote entirely.
In the "Other Accomplishments" section, Gov. Barbour's balancing of the $700 million budget deficit without raising taxes is mentioned, followed by a list of areas in which he increased spending. All that's said of where this money came from is "He kept the budget in the black by cutting in other areas." It seems to me that, in order to not be unevenly positive on Mr. Barfour's financial feats, those areas that got cut should be mentioned. I'm pretty sure he cut Medicare or Medicaid (probably both), but someone more knowledgeable should put that information in. ( SenorCrunchy 19:55, 21 April 2007 (UTC))
The original section read as follows:
During this failed bid for Senator a controversy arose at a campaigning stump when Barbour was caught espousing racist views in a joking manner. In the presence of the press he and an aide were complaining that "coons" were going to be at a campaign stop at the state fair. Barbour warned the aide, in front of reporters, that if the aide persisted in racist remarks, he would be "reincarnated as a watermelon and placed at the mercy of blacks." Barbour Campaign Shows GOP's Racist Side
Yet, reading the source, this is not what happened. I have re-inserted information regarding the controversy as sourced in the article. Yet, reading the source, this is not what happened. I have re-inserted information regarding the controversy as sourced in the article.
Huh? The article gives a racist quote which is directly attributable to Barbour. "Barbour warned the aide, in front of reporters, that if the aide persisted in racist remarks, he would be 'reincarnated as a watermelon and placed at the mercy of blacks.'" Restored 1982 campaign controversy
Reasons for recent edits - point by point:
1. Heading changes -
The headings were '1982 campaign controversy' and '2003 campaign controversy' - I changed them to 1982 campaign for senate and 2003 campaign for governor. Wikipedia is not made for collecting left-wing dossiers on Republican politicians - I don't even like Haley Barbour, but this is a biogrpahical article and thus the important thing is that he ran for those two offices in those two years, not the controversies that occurred. If you notice, though, I did not remove the controversies from the article, I merely corrected them to adhere to a better NPOV and factual accuracy.
2. 1982 'Campaign Controversy' - if you read the article that is sourced, it clearly states that Barbour was not the one telling the jokes - so whoever wrote the initial entry must have intentionally falsified the information. I cleaned up the entry to more accurately depict the controversy.
3. 2003 'Campaign Controversy' - most of this is not sourced at all, so I removed the unsourced portions and added some more information regarding the CCC to make up for it. Per your request, I will remove the references to Trent Lott and Dick Gephardt.
4. Barbour's service as RNC Chairman for 4 years was not even mentioned in the article, and this is certainly a very important part of his bio. Likewise for his work as Executive Director of the Mississippi GOP in 1976.
5. I didn't remove anything regarding the tobacco industry influences, I merely created a new heading for his Governorship and then put the tobacco and katrina stuff as subheadings underneath it.
Mr. Zegel, your constant reversions are unprofessional and reek of an ideological point of view. You apparently seek to whitewash Mr. Barbour's career without regard to truth. The fact that he appeared at a CCC barbecue is beyond dispute and was a well-reported aspect of the 2003 election. Your philosophy of NPOV would appear to be that absolutely anything that could be construed to reflect negatively upon an individual should be declared out of bounds. As such articles are meant to be biographies and not hagiographies, you are clearly in error. I have requested assistance in this matter. KrJnX
Partisan statements, restored by anonymous user 64.12.117.8, have been reverted so that the article presents a Neutral Point of View in accordance with Wikipedia policy.-- StanZegel 13:38, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
It is not partisan if it is true. Everything from his comments abot HeadStart to his Medicaid program is public record. Look it up. I'd suggest www.clarionledger.com This is the state-wide paper of Mississippi. But of course, I could see why some would want to hide his record. It is horrible afterall. Or just take a look here:
Barbour and HeadStart: http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=31912&pub=1&div=News
Barbour and Medicaid: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/11/opinion/11HERB.html?ex=1402286400&en=9a5f320b9b61705d&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND
My motivation? I voted for Barbour, but his actions have hurt a lot of good people. But the fact remains that what I put in the article was indeed true. Seeing your comment about Wikipedia policy, I went and search articles of other politicans...I see your point. I see that you have tried to have me blocked...as you can see I can get around any ISP ban. But I will refrain since my post did go outside the policy.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Fox News is the one and only one in major news coverage to place the blame on both Ray Nagin and Kathleen Blanco. Fox News failed to mention about the responsiblity of Alabama and Mississippi's governors failure of saving their states. You realize that Louisiana's governor is Democrat and New Orleans mayor is now a Democrat. Fox seems to lack their coverage of how many people are still trapped in the city. Fox News has not ever had the pleasure of interviewing Nagin or Blanco. I guess they knew that Fox News was going to entertain their conservative audience by placing blame on those who carry less power than the people at Washington. So now that Fox knows what going on at the local and state level, they need to go after the neighboring states. Of course, Nagin is in a crisis, Blanco is in a crisis, and Bush is in DC trying to make more a publiciity by giving money to these states. Of course, other countries are trying to help and Bush is refusing most of them! Fox News failed to state that the late response time from FEMA, the Bush Administration's role, and of course, the refugee and looters comments, alongside Alabama and Mississippi's non-stop crisis, too! I'm not too thrilled with Fox News coverage. LILVOKA 2005 September 7 13:35
Well, what do you ecxpect from Faux news channel, but anyway, you can goto FOX new channel page to talk about this, not here. -- C.levin 00:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
One unregistered user just post a polling result, please also indicate the source, relevent part has been moved here, please modify the source when you try to move it back to main article.
According to a SurveyUSA poll, Governor Barbour has fared the best politically in comparision to President Bush, Governor Blanco, Mayor Nagin, Secretary Chertoff, and Undersecretary Brown.
-- C.levin 23:39, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
I edited it out several words which were clearly partisan in origin. "Attempts to smear Barbour" is not appropriate, but "controversy" is an easier word to use. Also branding people with a different point of view as "extremists" is out of line, so I removed that word as well. There seem to be some conservatives lurking around this article attempting to use it for their own purposes.
Some redneck neanderthal insists on vandalizing this article so he can refer to people who were offended by the governor's appearance at a racist event as "extremists", and "attempts to smear him". Use neutral language or go away.
Someone continually reverts edits to enter non-neutral designations into the campaign section of this article, specifically, calling the firestorm in the media "partisan", people who opposed the governor's appearance at the CCC event "extremists" and claiming that "attempts to smear him" were made. Flat out crossing the line with that language. Stop reverting the article or I say we lock it down.
-- TheBurningHelm 19:23, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be a strong resemblence to old-time New Jersey politican William Warren Barbour. Are they related? Dvd Avins 12:11, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
Alsayid, what are your cites in opposition to justify your enduring vandalism to the 2003 Campaign Controversy? This is how it ought to read:
2003 Campaign Controversy
After two decades in Washington D.C., Barbour announced in 2003 his intention to run for governor of Mississippi. On August 5, 2003, he won the Republican gubernatorial primary over Canton attorney Mitch Tyner.
During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools," also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies," were established by the racist White Citizens' Councilmovement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (abbreviated CCC or CofCC). The lynchpin of Citizens' Councils has traditionally been opposition to racial integration in public schools
A photograph of Barbour with CCC members appeared on the CCC webpage, and some commentators and pundits demanded that Barbour ask for his picture to be removed from the site, but Barbour refused. Barbour's race-baiting tactic proved to be successful and his popularity within the establishment of white Mississippi grew shortly after this controversey with CCC. He was soon to be elected governor.
Mongolian: What do you mean "I can't 'say' the [WCC] is racist." Why not? (Emphasis on the word "White") Feel free to argue their history with me here. Otherwise, it is presumed that any racial exclusionary movement is by design "racist." Sorry if this stings you a bit.
What words do you propose in lieu of "lynchpin" or "pundit"? Personally, I like the word lynchpin, but I think lodestar would work, as well. I just don't think many non-lawyers use the word "lodestar."
Also, when dealing with the Deep South words like "lynch" just seem to roll off the tongue.
As to your exception to the term "race-baiting"--What do you propose Barbour's intent was in campaigning at a fundraiser for a whites only school in the Deep South?
Nonetheless, I do appreciate your attempt at dialouge, as opposed to the recurring POV vandalism Alsayid continues to engage in. Let's talk about his proposed passage. He edits:
"During the campaign, a photograph of Barbour attending the Council of Conservative Citizens co-sponsored Blackhawk Rally appeared on the CCC's website. The NAACP, which has called the CCC racist, said Barbour should demand his picture removed from the website. Barbour responded "Once you start down the slippery slope of saying 'That person can't be for me,' then where do you stop?... I don't care who has my picture. My picture's in the public domain." Barbour's Democratic opponent, Governor Musgrove, declined to be critical, stating that he had also attended Blackhawk rallies in the past, and would have done so that year except for a scheduling conflict."
Inserting the "NAACP viewpoint" in the paragraph is only relevant in so much as a description for the National Socialist Party in Germany ought to include the Anti Defamation League's "opinion" that the holocaust was anti-semetic. History proves the holocaust, like the Citizens' Council movement, was racist in design.
To illustrate this, take note of what exactly the "Blackhawk Rally" is. Rather than speak of the controversy in a vacuum, readers to this wiki entry ought to know what type of "controversy" Barbour was embroiled in when he chose to speak at the Citizens' Council's Blackhawk Rally. The following entry does this:
"During the campaign a controversy arose when Barbour chose to speak at the Blackhawk Rally, a fundraiser for the Blackhawk "council school" in Blackhawk, Mississippi. Such "council schools," also referred to in Mississippi lexicon as "academies," were established by the racist White Citizens' Council movement in reaction to the demands for racial integration by the American Civil Rights movement. The Blackhawk rally was hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens (abbreviated CCC or CofCC). The lynchpin of Citizens' Councils has traditionally been opposition to racial integration in public schools."
The primary distinction between the two entries are Barbour's humorous liberty quotations (which need a cite) in response to the controversy, versus a description of why a controversy erupted. I think there is room for Barbour's quotes in response to the controversy. But, we also need to have an entry on what was so controversial in his decision to speak at a "council school" and to educate the reader about what a "council school" aka "Mississippi academy" is. The phenomena of such institutions is extremely local to Mississippi and most readers will have never entertained the concept of such institutions existing in America (even in Mississippi) in the 21st century. The fact that Babour stump speeched there is fascinating.
To paste an earlier post regarding your edits:
Please add to the discussion before you continue your behavior of POV apologist editing on behalf of Haley Barbour. I would like you to talk about your most recent edit to 2003 Campaign Controversy. We have a discussion going here.-- Cortez3100
There seems to be a revert war over the wording of the blackhawk rally section. The first thing to do is to stop the revert war. The seocnd thing to do is to explore the two versions and decide on a compromise. As far as I can tell there is no dissent from the fact of his attending the rally, none from the fact that CCC is widely viewed as a racist organsiation, none from the view that whites-only schools owe their existence to deep-seated racism. It seems that his political opponents are in the same boat, and do not condemn him; it also seems that the NAACP find it problematic that he chooses to give an apparent endorsement to this institution. We can say both things, as long as we do so in neutral terms. So: start with the facts which are beyond dispute, then give a very short summary as to why this is considered problematic, then give a very short summary of why it might not be. Once we've seen whjat that looks like, then hopefully an agreement can be reached. But a revert war is not going to fix anything, and this is about individual interpetations of verifiable fact so we can't fix it by magically waving policy either. Just zis Guy you know? 16:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
As long as you continue to vandalize this article, Alsayid, there is no compromise to your hotly contested edits. Perhaps editing out this sentence, "Barbour's race-baiting tactic proved to be successful and his popularity within the establishment of white Mississippi grew shortly after this controversey with CCC. He was soon to be elected governor," is a fair compromise. However, cleansing out any criticisms of Barbour, as you have done today throughout this article, will hopefully result in administrative intervention. I've gone ahead and removed that sentence as a compromise to your concerns. -- Cortez3100
I probably hate Haley Barbour more than any other American politician, but even to me this article seems a little too negative to be truly NPOV. Is there anything positive to say about him or his policies other than the little Rudy Giuliani bit? If I knew of any good things he's done I'd add them, but I can't think of any. Shayborg 00:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Tdl1060 keeps deleting this section, claiming that it was "unsourced". This is false, as I stated in the edit summary. The source was the New York Times.
If you want to delete it, Tdl1060, tell me what your real reason is. Nbauman 01:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
He won the re-election. I have no source or citation so I didn't bother posting it but I just wanted to get that out there so someone would. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.150.157 ( talk) 04:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm blogging about T Boon Picken's million dollar Swift Boat challenge and am speculating that Pickens is going to welch on it. That reminds me of when Haley Barbour stood up on national TV with a gigantic check for something like a million dollars to anyone who could prove that the GOP proposals would cut Social Security benefits. Of course, a number of people took him up on the challenge but Barbour didn't pay a dime -- instead he counter-sued them in Mississippi courts with a nuisance law suit.
The case accurately cited below did not involve a nuisance suit but was a decision on the merits that the claimants failed to make their case that Barbour was wrong -- the fairly obvious implication being that Barbour's assertion that "the claims about cuts were false" was in fact accurate. (MTP)
I've Googled and Googles about that story but with no luck. Do any of you have a memory of it or -- better yet -- a link to a news article? I'm thinking this is circa 1994 but am not sure. -- Calan ( talk) 20:48, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
It's Republican National Committee v. Taylor, 299 F.3d 887 (D.C. Cir. 2002). The decision was that there was intent to form a binding contract which anyone could have accepted by sending a coupon proving Barbour wrong. Acceptance of a contract is valid on dispatch with the appropriate transmitting agency.-- 76.210.248.221 ( talk) 03:30, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I have seen several people report something like the following:
The article in question that this comes from appears to be a 1982 New York Times article that can be found here [1]. Its behind a paywall so I can't verify its accuracy, but I was hoping someone else could so that we could clear up exactly what happened and then decide whether it should be included in the article. Remember ( talk) 13:36, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
CREW is described by the Washington Post has "A prominent Washington advocacy group" [2] and (in connection with their critical remarks on Democrat Maxine Waters) as " a nonpartisan watchdog group." [3] Their 2010 list of the most corrupt members of congress includes just about equal numbers of D and R. [4] If somebody wants to present Barbour's defense when called one of America's most corrupt governors by them, find some better way than by attempting to discredit CREW by labeling them as "liberal," which is offtopic and POV. Questionic ( talk) 16:59, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
The group does self describe themselves as a "progressive" group to be fair. They have former Democratic party employees in key areas and have rarely hit Democrats with their "worst of list" unless they are already nationally considered in that group. They see themselves as a left leaning Judiacial Watch. This is all from their site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.235.43.163 ( talk) 14:06, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
There are a lot of uncited quotations relating to Barbour's recent statements about MLK, the Klan, etc. It's good that this issue has been included in the article, but it needs to be tightened up and cited properly. I know I'm supposed to Be Bold, but I am just a current-events rubbernecker who knows nothing about Barbour, and I'd rather leave the job to someone with a little more knowledge of the situation. TremorMilo ( talk) 15:28, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the separate Criticisms section of the article – but not the material itself – as having separate "controversies" or "criticisms" or "scandals" sections or subarticles is considered a violation of WP:NPOV, WP:Content forking, and WP:Criticism. In particular, a special effort was undertaken to rid all 2008 presidential candidates' biographical articles of such treatment — see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject United States presidential elections/Archive 1#Status of "controversies" pages — and the same should be done for any of the likely 2012 contenders.
I've also reordered the sections for chronological flow, so that the article makes more sense to follow. I haven't added or removed any actual content, just restructured. Wasted Time R ( talk) 04:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
I think this should be mentioned in light of Mr. Barbour's latest comments refusing to denounce a controversial proposal to honor Nathan Bedford Forrest, one of the founders of the KKK, an American terrorist organization. There are hundreds of articles written within the last 24 hours highlighting his comments. [5] 70.88.141.161 ( talk) 23:55, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
This should be annotated in the "controversy" section. Ryoung122 22:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Unless there is more to this I think the race part should be left out, for now. The "controversy" is what they did, not their race. Also it seems this is par for the course for Gov's in his state when they leave office. So he is not the first to do this. I may update it later but need more Refs to keep it non-biased. -- Sallynice ( talk) 20:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I edited the 2012 pardon part. I made sure to point out the pardons are not uncommon but why this is an issue. I also added a REF for further support. I could not find anything else talking about race so I left that out. And I also edited the court blockage as it was not written correctly. Once this is final in court, weather the pardons are good or not, one more final edit can be made. But don't want to expand to much compared to the rest of hist actions. -- Sallynice ( talk) 12:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
I reverted the contributions made in this edit for the following reasons:
The IP user's additions fail to meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability, especially for BLPs. RJaguar3 | u | t 20:23, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
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Perhaps there should be a section about Barbour’s work as a lobbyist for the coal industry? I’m not expert enough to write one, but someone else here might be willing to do the research? Sources: 2013 AP story, Sierra Club report, NY Times story. –70.36.196.50 03:11, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
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