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... that Hal Malchow briefly worked as a securities lawyer, but left because writing contracts defending against fraud was more boring than scheming them? Source: Issenberg, Sasha (2013). The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns. ISBN 9780307954800. p. 2: "except for a brief detour into securities law that ended when he realized that writing the contracts to guard against complex financial schemes was less fun than trying to hatch them."
ALT1: ... that Hal Malchow was detained in a Lima, Peru, airport because he was accused of smuggling cocaine in his arm cast? Source: "Three Americans held in Peru pending drug investigation outcome". The Greenville News. Vol. 113, no. 25. AP News. January 25, 1987. p. 3A.
I did some more searching for some minor biographical facts and came back with a news clipping saying that was too good to pass up. Added as an alt.
SWinxy (
talk) 05:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: The article presents a comprehensive overview of Malchow's life, career, and contributions to political consulting, and meets the newness, length, sourcing, neutrality, and copyvio-free criteria. Offline sources were accepted in good faith. he article and hook meet all the required criteria for inclusion in the DYK section of Wikipedia, with no subjective issues identified.
el.ziade (
talkallam) 09:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Striking ALT1 due to
WP:BLP issues; original hook struck because "scheming them" is confusing given the context: what does scheming a contract even mean? Please propose a new hook. Thank you.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 14:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I strongly disagree with you that ALT1 is "negative" and a BLP issue. The wording is clear that he was accused, not convicted, of smuggling cocaine. It plainly does not violate BLP because it's sourced to the Associated Press, considered generally reliable at
WP:RSP. Being accused of smuggling narcotics in an arm cast is unusual, quirky, absurd. ALT1 can be modified slightly to say that Malchow "was once detained" to lessen a perception that crime is Malchow's MO. But I find it odd to read it this way.
SWinxy (
talk) 18:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
SWinxy, it isn't just me: the consensus I'm seeing in the
WT:DYK thread is that ALT1 is both negative and a BLP issue. "Accused" and "detained" both sound bad, and to add "once" would simply be read by most people that it happened in the past, not that it happened to him only once in his life: either way, he's painted as a drug smuggler on Wikipedia's front page. I strongly advise you to come up with an ALT2 that features a different set of facts, since ALT1—though you clearly like it—isn't going to be accepted at DYK.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The two concurring with you made their replies before I addressed your claim of it being a BLP issue. It's unfair to mark "consensus!" at the time right before I made my rebuttal to allow my point to be considered, and without responding directly to the rebuttal of the argument you made. I liked it and think it's interesting, yeah.
el.ziade seemed to think so too in approving it,
PrimalMustelid promoted it, and
RoySmith said that I don't see anything in particular that's a problem here in opening it up for discussion. Pinging
Schwede66 for completion. Sorry for dragging this out, but I just think it's a fine premise for a hook. Could it be reworded in a way that retains it?
SWinxy (
talk) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Since I got pinged here, I'll just note that when I raised my original query at
WT:DYK, I only had a vague feeling that this might be a problem, but
BlueMoonset's response clarified the issue in my mind and I agree with him that ALT1 is unsuitable.
RoySmith(talk) 16:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
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... that Hal Malchow briefly worked as a securities lawyer, but left because writing contracts defending against fraud was more boring than scheming them? Source: Issenberg, Sasha (2013). The Victory Lab: The Secret Science of Winning Campaigns. ISBN 9780307954800. p. 2: "except for a brief detour into securities law that ended when he realized that writing the contracts to guard against complex financial schemes was less fun than trying to hatch them."
ALT1: ... that Hal Malchow was detained in a Lima, Peru, airport because he was accused of smuggling cocaine in his arm cast? Source: "Three Americans held in Peru pending drug investigation outcome". The Greenville News. Vol. 113, no. 25. AP News. January 25, 1987. p. 3A.
I did some more searching for some minor biographical facts and came back with a news clipping saying that was too good to pass up. Added as an alt.
SWinxy (
talk) 05:35, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: The article presents a comprehensive overview of Malchow's life, career, and contributions to political consulting, and meets the newness, length, sourcing, neutrality, and copyvio-free criteria. Offline sources were accepted in good faith. he article and hook meet all the required criteria for inclusion in the DYK section of Wikipedia, with no subjective issues identified.
el.ziade (
talkallam) 09:41, 27 March 2024 (UTC)reply
Striking ALT1 due to
WP:BLP issues; original hook struck because "scheming them" is confusing given the context: what does scheming a contract even mean? Please propose a new hook. Thank you.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 14:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I strongly disagree with you that ALT1 is "negative" and a BLP issue. The wording is clear that he was accused, not convicted, of smuggling cocaine. It plainly does not violate BLP because it's sourced to the Associated Press, considered generally reliable at
WP:RSP. Being accused of smuggling narcotics in an arm cast is unusual, quirky, absurd. ALT1 can be modified slightly to say that Malchow "was once detained" to lessen a perception that crime is Malchow's MO. But I find it odd to read it this way.
SWinxy (
talk) 18:06, 21 April 2024 (UTC)reply
SWinxy, it isn't just me: the consensus I'm seeing in the
WT:DYK thread is that ALT1 is both negative and a BLP issue. "Accused" and "detained" both sound bad, and to add "once" would simply be read by most people that it happened in the past, not that it happened to him only once in his life: either way, he's painted as a drug smuggler on Wikipedia's front page. I strongly advise you to come up with an ALT2 that features a different set of facts, since ALT1—though you clearly like it—isn't going to be accepted at DYK.
BlueMoonset (
talk) 04:49, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The two concurring with you made their replies before I addressed your claim of it being a BLP issue. It's unfair to mark "consensus!" at the time right before I made my rebuttal to allow my point to be considered, and without responding directly to the rebuttal of the argument you made. I liked it and think it's interesting, yeah.
el.ziade seemed to think so too in approving it,
PrimalMustelid promoted it, and
RoySmith said that I don't see anything in particular that's a problem here in opening it up for discussion. Pinging
Schwede66 for completion. Sorry for dragging this out, but I just think it's a fine premise for a hook. Could it be reworded in a way that retains it?
SWinxy (
talk) 15:57, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Since I got pinged here, I'll just note that when I raised my original query at
WT:DYK, I only had a vague feeling that this might be a problem, but
BlueMoonset's response clarified the issue in my mind and I agree with him that ALT1 is unsuitable.
RoySmith(talk) 16:06, 23 April 2024 (UTC)reply