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Kama Hele is very very important and interesting about Hokule'a. Hokule'a had been towed from Okinawa to Muroto(Kochi prefecture) by Kama Hele. Moreover, Nainoa stressed about the importance of escorting the boat everywhere, everytime(And he speaks fromlong experience). He said again and again that without Kama Hele, Hokule'a can't go anywhere. You can read about how he and PVS thinks about importance of an escort boat at Ben Finney's "Sailing in the wake of Ancestors" (University of Hawaii Press). Don't you know that Kama Hele had designed only for Hokule'a by Alex Jakubenko? Alex is the captain of Ishka, the escort boat of Hokule'a for 1980 Tahiti voyage (see Will Kyselka's "An Ocean in Mind",University of Hawaii Press ). Alex felt it's very important to take a modern escort boat along with Hokule'a. Japanese people also felt that Kama Hele is the integral part of the canoe and volunteered to sail it back to Hawai'i in July-August 2007. Anyway, you should talk with Nainoa and ask him "Is Kama Hele important or interesting in Polynesian Voyaging and Hokule'a?". I can imagine that he replies immediately that "Yes! Kama Hele is very important for Hokule'a". -- Uniontour ( talk) 16:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate and respectful to note in this article's list of crew, the passing on of Hokule'a crew not mentioned as Eddie Aikau? This might be shown as David Lewis (d. 2002). I thought it might be appropriate to ask before doing something like this out of respect for the people and the project. For instance, see the following Honolulu Star Bulletin story. Newportm ( talk) 02:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
In reading through the WikiProject Hawaiʻi - Manual of Style, I noticed User:Agent_X's post (Titled: LSQUO, ‘, works better than {{okina}}, ʻ ). In that post, he demonstrates italicized variations of this diacritic, but I was unable to link to it, so, to recap, the two symbols can be rendered using:
or
In this Hokuleʻa article, I applied User:Agent_X's thesis. In italicized type (as for boats' names), I used:
but for text not italicized, I used the contrary:
I posted this to explain what appears to be inconsistent use of one or the other in this article. Maybe this is too much trouble? I imagine that if someone finds this inconsistency intolerable, he (or she) will change it.
Aloha. Newportm ( talk) 08:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
This note was posted on my talk page:
I have removed t[w]o red links from the see also section. Per WP:SEEALSO, re[d] links should not be included in the see also section, only blue links should be included. For details, see WP:SEEALSO. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 03:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Links removed:
I note this here in case anybody is planning on adding these pages. Newportm ( talk) 04:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Another editor moved this article. The move either automatically added a redirect from "Hokulea" to "Hōkūleʻa" or he added one. But now "Hōkūleʻa" looks messed up in my browser bar (in both Firefox 2.0.0.15 and IE 7.0.5730.11, but okay in Safari 3.1.1). Is that the reason nobody from WikiProject Hawaiʻi did this in the four years this article has been up? Is there a convention with the other WP Hawaiʻi articles? Should this move be undone? (and the talk page's move too?) Newportm ( talk) 22:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
using & lsquo ; as in Hōkūle‘a, not with
{{okina}} which produces Hōkūleʻa, against normal text,
or as Hōkūleʻa against italic text.
Good article checklist. Viriditas ( talk) 00:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Media related to Hokulea at Wikimedia Commons Viriditas ( talk) 15:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need a Wiktionary link to "voyage"? I would rather see it inline. Viriditas ( talk) 14:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Article has been tagged for cleanup. I would be happy to help, but I don't want to step on Newportm's toes, so I'm open to discussion. Viriditas ( talk) 06:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
An IP editor who claims to have sailed on Hokule'a made a recent edit ( diff) to crew list section of USA leg. Since the editor included what appears to be that editor's email address in the edit summary, I assume good faith. I have written that person to advice of confict of interest and verifiability issues. I asked the editor to follow up with a printed citation for the edit since I can't find the info on the web. – Newportm ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently quite long, over 100KB. WP:Article size advises that it be split into smaller articles, to make it easier to read and edit. Are there any possible sub-articles that could be spun out of this one per WP:Summary style? List of Hokulea voyages, perhaps? Robofish ( talk) 22:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose we revisit this. After all, the Māori articles have all been using the tohutō = macron = kahakō for years now without any problem. Kahuroa ( talk) 19:07, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Certainly the snide remark probably does not belong. Diacritics have been creeping into person names, e.g. Kalākaua, Keelikōlani and others. The use in place names seems much more controversial since the 2000 Census database did not use them. Just need to make sure we have consensus before engaging in a move war. For that matter, the ʻ okina has been creeping in too, such as in the article on ʻokina! So the question is to include ʻokina too? Is the question still Internet Explorer 6 support, or is there a further font issue? W Nowicki ( talk) 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Of course one cannot put a template in the title, but the Unicode character to which it expands. Looking again, I think there are three related issues:
W Nowicki ( talk) 22:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
That is an easy one. The reason is because diacritics are generally not used on capital letters (no space for them in the font). W Nowicki ( talk) 01:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Good point, the usual source for Hawaiian language scholarly reference should be added:
Mary Kawena Pukui; Samuel Hoyt Elbert (2003). "lookup of hōkū". in Hawaiian Dictionary. Ulukau, the Hawaiian Electronic Library, University of Hawaii Press.
Mary Kawena Pukui; Samuel Hoyt Elbert (2003). "lookup of leʻa". in Hawaiian Dictionary. Ulukau, the Hawaiian Electronic Library, University of Hawaii Press.
W Nowicki ( talk) 15:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps that a link can be included to Bonno Louis' catamaran, another replica of a traditional polynesian catamaran (allot smaller though). It was mentioned in "Lost Continent of the Pacific" (NGC docu) 91.182.148.62 ( talk) 06:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
The formatting of the voyages section is unusual for WP, takes up lots of space and uses divs instead of wikitext. Here is an alternative that is more compact and less framework-y (I didn't change the article without consensus):
Nainoa Thompson recreated the 1976 voyage to Tahiti to become the first Native Hawaiian in modern times to navigate a canoe thousands of miles without instruments. His mentor, Mau Piailug, sailed as observer. After 29 days at sea, before sighting Mataiva on the way to Tahiti, Mau offered Nainoa only one correction; this was of Nainoa's interpretation of sighting a land-based seabird in mid-morning flight. Such birds generally fly seaward for food at morning and return to land in the evening. While it can usually be assumed that land lies opposite the birds' morning flight direction, this bird spotted mid-morning (during nesting season), carried a fish in its beak. [1] This detail suggested to Mau that the bird's morning flight was not away from land but toward it. The bird was not flying seaward to find more fish, but rather, was returning to land, to feed its young. [2] Leading up to the voyage, an extensive, formal crew training program helped to ensure that the voyage would be as safe as possible. [3] Escort boat Ishka followed for safety. [4] [5] [6]
Crew: Navigator: Nainoa Thompson; Captain: Gordon Piʻianaiʻa; Chad Kalepa Baybayan, "Shorty" Bertelmann, Harry Ho, Sam Kaʻai, Michael "Buddy" McGuire, Marion Lyman-Mersereau, Mau Piailug, Steve Somsen, Joanne Kahanamoku Sterling*, Leon Paoa Sterling, "Tava" Taupu; Patrick Koon Hung Piʻimauna Charles "Pat" Aiu, MD* [7]
Crew: Navigator: Nainoa Thompson; Captain: Gordon Piʻianaiʻa; Wedemeyer Au, Chad Baybayan, Bruce Blankenfeld, "Snake" Ah Hee, John Kruse, Kainoa Lee, James "Kimo" Lyman, Mau Piailug, Steven Somsen, Leon Paoa Sterling, Michael Tongg, Nathan Wong
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I was in Hawaii during the first sailing attempt and the second “successful” attempt. Reality has morphed into romance. The first attempt was poorly times and the ocean double hull sailing canoe floundered between Oahu and Maui. All trained marine safety officials tell people to stay with the boat if it is still floating. That is not what happened. Unfortunately a well known surfer believed he could paddle against the strong ocean currents and find land and then alert people of the urgent need for rescue. The other reality vs romance is the first time the double hull sailing canoe successfully made the journey, the crew mutinied. Upon arrival the captain (chief navigator?) said this was the worst crew he ever sailed with. Reality is so much harder to embrace than romance. 2601:582:8500:1060:0:0:0:B9DC ( talk) 14:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
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Kama Hele is very very important and interesting about Hokule'a. Hokule'a had been towed from Okinawa to Muroto(Kochi prefecture) by Kama Hele. Moreover, Nainoa stressed about the importance of escorting the boat everywhere, everytime(And he speaks fromlong experience). He said again and again that without Kama Hele, Hokule'a can't go anywhere. You can read about how he and PVS thinks about importance of an escort boat at Ben Finney's "Sailing in the wake of Ancestors" (University of Hawaii Press). Don't you know that Kama Hele had designed only for Hokule'a by Alex Jakubenko? Alex is the captain of Ishka, the escort boat of Hokule'a for 1980 Tahiti voyage (see Will Kyselka's "An Ocean in Mind",University of Hawaii Press ). Alex felt it's very important to take a modern escort boat along with Hokule'a. Japanese people also felt that Kama Hele is the integral part of the canoe and volunteered to sail it back to Hawai'i in July-August 2007. Anyway, you should talk with Nainoa and ask him "Is Kama Hele important or interesting in Polynesian Voyaging and Hokule'a?". I can imagine that he replies immediately that "Yes! Kama Hele is very important for Hokule'a". -- Uniontour ( talk) 16:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
Would it be appropriate and respectful to note in this article's list of crew, the passing on of Hokule'a crew not mentioned as Eddie Aikau? This might be shown as David Lewis (d. 2002). I thought it might be appropriate to ask before doing something like this out of respect for the people and the project. For instance, see the following Honolulu Star Bulletin story. Newportm ( talk) 02:35, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
In reading through the WikiProject Hawaiʻi - Manual of Style, I noticed User:Agent_X's post (Titled: LSQUO, ‘, works better than {{okina}}, ʻ ). In that post, he demonstrates italicized variations of this diacritic, but I was unable to link to it, so, to recap, the two symbols can be rendered using:
or
In this Hokuleʻa article, I applied User:Agent_X's thesis. In italicized type (as for boats' names), I used:
but for text not italicized, I used the contrary:
I posted this to explain what appears to be inconsistent use of one or the other in this article. Maybe this is too much trouble? I imagine that if someone finds this inconsistency intolerable, he (or she) will change it.
Aloha. Newportm ( talk) 08:17, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
This note was posted on my talk page:
I have removed t[w]o red links from the see also section. Per WP:SEEALSO, re[d] links should not be included in the see also section, only blue links should be included. For details, see WP:SEEALSO. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 03:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Links removed:
I note this here in case anybody is planning on adding these pages. Newportm ( talk) 04:00, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
Another editor moved this article. The move either automatically added a redirect from "Hokulea" to "Hōkūleʻa" or he added one. But now "Hōkūleʻa" looks messed up in my browser bar (in both Firefox 2.0.0.15 and IE 7.0.5730.11, but okay in Safari 3.1.1). Is that the reason nobody from WikiProject Hawaiʻi did this in the four years this article has been up? Is there a convention with the other WP Hawaiʻi articles? Should this move be undone? (and the talk page's move too?) Newportm ( talk) 22:09, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
using & lsquo ; as in Hōkūle‘a, not with
{{okina}} which produces Hōkūleʻa, against normal text,
or as Hōkūleʻa against italic text.
Good article checklist. Viriditas ( talk) 00:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Media related to Hokulea at Wikimedia Commons Viriditas ( talk) 15:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Do we really need a Wiktionary link to "voyage"? I would rather see it inline. Viriditas ( talk) 14:16, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Article has been tagged for cleanup. I would be happy to help, but I don't want to step on Newportm's toes, so I'm open to discussion. Viriditas ( talk) 06:46, 13 March 2009 (UTC)
An IP editor who claims to have sailed on Hokule'a made a recent edit ( diff) to crew list section of USA leg. Since the editor included what appears to be that editor's email address in the edit summary, I assume good faith. I have written that person to advice of confict of interest and verifiability issues. I asked the editor to follow up with a printed citation for the edit since I can't find the info on the web. – Newportm ( talk • contribs) 18:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
This article is currently quite long, over 100KB. WP:Article size advises that it be split into smaller articles, to make it easier to read and edit. Are there any possible sub-articles that could be spun out of this one per WP:Summary style? List of Hokulea voyages, perhaps? Robofish ( talk) 22:37, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
I propose we revisit this. After all, the Māori articles have all been using the tohutō = macron = kahakō for years now without any problem. Kahuroa ( talk) 19:07, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Certainly the snide remark probably does not belong. Diacritics have been creeping into person names, e.g. Kalākaua, Keelikōlani and others. The use in place names seems much more controversial since the 2000 Census database did not use them. Just need to make sure we have consensus before engaging in a move war. For that matter, the ʻ okina has been creeping in too, such as in the article on ʻokina! So the question is to include ʻokina too? Is the question still Internet Explorer 6 support, or is there a further font issue? W Nowicki ( talk) 20:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
Of course one cannot put a template in the title, but the Unicode character to which it expands. Looking again, I think there are three related issues:
W Nowicki ( talk) 22:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
That is an easy one. The reason is because diacritics are generally not used on capital letters (no space for them in the font). W Nowicki ( talk) 01:01, 25 September 2010 (UTC)
Good point, the usual source for Hawaiian language scholarly reference should be added:
Mary Kawena Pukui; Samuel Hoyt Elbert (2003). "lookup of hōkū". in Hawaiian Dictionary. Ulukau, the Hawaiian Electronic Library, University of Hawaii Press.
Mary Kawena Pukui; Samuel Hoyt Elbert (2003). "lookup of leʻa". in Hawaiian Dictionary. Ulukau, the Hawaiian Electronic Library, University of Hawaii Press.
W Nowicki ( talk) 15:33, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps that a link can be included to Bonno Louis' catamaran, another replica of a traditional polynesian catamaran (allot smaller though). It was mentioned in "Lost Continent of the Pacific" (NGC docu) 91.182.148.62 ( talk) 06:52, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
The formatting of the voyages section is unusual for WP, takes up lots of space and uses divs instead of wikitext. Here is an alternative that is more compact and less framework-y (I didn't change the article without consensus):
Nainoa Thompson recreated the 1976 voyage to Tahiti to become the first Native Hawaiian in modern times to navigate a canoe thousands of miles without instruments. His mentor, Mau Piailug, sailed as observer. After 29 days at sea, before sighting Mataiva on the way to Tahiti, Mau offered Nainoa only one correction; this was of Nainoa's interpretation of sighting a land-based seabird in mid-morning flight. Such birds generally fly seaward for food at morning and return to land in the evening. While it can usually be assumed that land lies opposite the birds' morning flight direction, this bird spotted mid-morning (during nesting season), carried a fish in its beak. [1] This detail suggested to Mau that the bird's morning flight was not away from land but toward it. The bird was not flying seaward to find more fish, but rather, was returning to land, to feed its young. [2] Leading up to the voyage, an extensive, formal crew training program helped to ensure that the voyage would be as safe as possible. [3] Escort boat Ishka followed for safety. [4] [5] [6]
Crew: Navigator: Nainoa Thompson; Captain: Gordon Piʻianaiʻa; Chad Kalepa Baybayan, "Shorty" Bertelmann, Harry Ho, Sam Kaʻai, Michael "Buddy" McGuire, Marion Lyman-Mersereau, Mau Piailug, Steve Somsen, Joanne Kahanamoku Sterling*, Leon Paoa Sterling, "Tava" Taupu; Patrick Koon Hung Piʻimauna Charles "Pat" Aiu, MD* [7]
Crew: Navigator: Nainoa Thompson; Captain: Gordon Piʻianaiʻa; Wedemeyer Au, Chad Baybayan, Bruce Blankenfeld, "Snake" Ah Hee, John Kruse, Kainoa Lee, James "Kimo" Lyman, Mau Piailug, Steven Somsen, Leon Paoa Sterling, Michael Tongg, Nathan Wong
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I was in Hawaii during the first sailing attempt and the second “successful” attempt. Reality has morphed into romance. The first attempt was poorly times and the ocean double hull sailing canoe floundered between Oahu and Maui. All trained marine safety officials tell people to stay with the boat if it is still floating. That is not what happened. Unfortunately a well known surfer believed he could paddle against the strong ocean currents and find land and then alert people of the urgent need for rescue. The other reality vs romance is the first time the double hull sailing canoe successfully made the journey, the crew mutinied. Upon arrival the captain (chief navigator?) said this was the worst crew he ever sailed with. Reality is so much harder to embrace than romance. 2601:582:8500:1060:0:0:0:B9DC ( talk) 14:54, 23 January 2023 (UTC)