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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dictatorship in Greece. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 02:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
I cited a source I believe to be reliable ("Clinton Says U.S. Regrets Aid to Junta in Cold War", https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-nov-21-mn-35991-story.html) which estimated hundreds of thousands were jailed by the Greek military junta for political reasons, and this was removed. After some research, I agree this is higher than some estimates, but still believe this is plausible. For example, another article ("George Papadopoulos; Led Military Junta in Greece ", https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-jun-28-mn-50904-story.html) estimated that 10,000 were arrested in just the first few days after the coup suggesting a total in the tens of thousands at least since it was in power for 7 years. Maybe hundreds of thousands refers to number arrested. I would like to add to the article but thought I should check here first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UQal ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: MOVED. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Greek military junta of 1967–1974 →
Greek junta – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here.
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@ Buidhe: I'm having a hard time figuring out why this term for the dictatorship needs a specific citation... It's a common, well-known name for the event in Greek (evidenced by a cursory google search for "Επταετία") and as far as I know, there's no controversy around its use. — Skoulikomirmigotripa ( talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Some users put the greek junta as an example of a fascist state, in the category of fascist states here at Wikipedia but I haven't seen enough of reliable sources and wide recognition to whole regime and state is described as fascist. Far right, authoritarian, military dictatorship yes, but fascist no, at least not in a neutral academic researches and publications. Not every authoritarianism and totalitarianism is fascism. That types of labels need to be wide recognised and accepted by academic community, historians, political scientists, and to whole country and whole regime and policies in that period be labeled as fascist need serious number of sources stating exactly that. 178.220.244.242 ( talk) 02:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Besides the 1973 Athens Polytechnic Uprising with over 20 victims, what was the total number of those who were murdered by the dictatorship? 99.248.73.113 ( talk) 19:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
You can’t have a right wing dictatorship. The right believes solely in personal governance. A dictatorship by default is leftist zx 85.132.252.36 ( talk) 02:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Compassionate727: Why does the article have this cleanup tag? Jarble ( talk) 04:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
As it turned out, the constitutional crisis did not originate either from the political parties, or from the Palace, but from middle-rank army putschists.and
Still, up until 1973, the junta appeared in firm control of Greece, and not likely to be ousted by violent means.and
The rapid dismantling of Greek democracy had begun.that convey little or no concrete information but do summarize or interpret information already presented. These are common and useful when making an argument, but Wikipedia articles are not supposed to make arguments, merely describe the topic as objectively as possible. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 15:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
The article had this comment at the end of the lead:
This claim was added in October 2023, with no discussion. I am having trouble even understanding what it's supposed to mean. Apparently it doesn't mean that the CIA caused the coup, because later in the article we say:
So what exactly does it mean? And why is it so indirect ("it has been said")? -- who said it? The lead is supposed to reflect the body of the article -- what is this claim reflecting? -- Macrakis ( talk) 01:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Dictatorship in Greece. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 02:34, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
I cited a source I believe to be reliable ("Clinton Says U.S. Regrets Aid to Junta in Cold War", https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-nov-21-mn-35991-story.html) which estimated hundreds of thousands were jailed by the Greek military junta for political reasons, and this was removed. After some research, I agree this is higher than some estimates, but still believe this is plausible. For example, another article ("George Papadopoulos; Led Military Junta in Greece ", https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1999-jun-28-mn-50904-story.html) estimated that 10,000 were arrested in just the first few days after the coup suggesting a total in the tens of thousands at least since it was in power for 7 years. Maybe hundreds of thousands refers to number arrested. I would like to add to the article but thought I should check here first. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UQal ( talk • contribs) 19:43, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
The following Wikimedia Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for speedy deletion:
You can see the reason for deletion at the file description page linked above. — Community Tech bot ( talk) 12:24, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: MOVED. User:Ceyockey ( talk to me) 01:42, 19 April 2020 (UTC)
Greek military junta of 1967–1974 →
Greek junta – Please place your rationale for the proposed move here.
b
uidh
e 06:13, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
@ Buidhe: I'm having a hard time figuring out why this term for the dictatorship needs a specific citation... It's a common, well-known name for the event in Greek (evidenced by a cursory google search for "Επταετία") and as far as I know, there's no controversy around its use. — Skoulikomirmigotripa ( talk) 20:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Some users put the greek junta as an example of a fascist state, in the category of fascist states here at Wikipedia but I haven't seen enough of reliable sources and wide recognition to whole regime and state is described as fascist. Far right, authoritarian, military dictatorship yes, but fascist no, at least not in a neutral academic researches and publications. Not every authoritarianism and totalitarianism is fascism. That types of labels need to be wide recognised and accepted by academic community, historians, political scientists, and to whole country and whole regime and policies in that period be labeled as fascist need serious number of sources stating exactly that. 178.220.244.242 ( talk) 02:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Besides the 1973 Athens Polytechnic Uprising with over 20 victims, what was the total number of those who were murdered by the dictatorship? 99.248.73.113 ( talk) 19:34, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
You can’t have a right wing dictatorship. The right believes solely in personal governance. A dictatorship by default is leftist zx 85.132.252.36 ( talk) 02:14, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Compassionate727: Why does the article have this cleanup tag? Jarble ( talk) 04:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
As it turned out, the constitutional crisis did not originate either from the political parties, or from the Palace, but from middle-rank army putschists.and
Still, up until 1973, the junta appeared in firm control of Greece, and not likely to be ousted by violent means.and
The rapid dismantling of Greek democracy had begun.that convey little or no concrete information but do summarize or interpret information already presented. These are common and useful when making an argument, but Wikipedia articles are not supposed to make arguments, merely describe the topic as objectively as possible. — Compassionate727 ( T· C) 15:48, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
The article had this comment at the end of the lead:
This claim was added in October 2023, with no discussion. I am having trouble even understanding what it's supposed to mean. Apparently it doesn't mean that the CIA caused the coup, because later in the article we say:
So what exactly does it mean? And why is it so indirect ("it has been said")? -- who said it? The lead is supposed to reflect the body of the article -- what is this claim reflecting? -- Macrakis ( talk) 01:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)
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link) by Stelios Kouloglu via Internet Archive
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