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As explanation for the large edits I just made - many assertions here relied on weasel words, and also many ghost stories and authors are not notable enough to deserve a spot in the Introduction section, See Also section, etc. If we mention them there, then too many ghost stories and authors will be allowed to slip in. Before a revert, please ask me for an explanation, as this draft is still not so great, but it is a step in the right direction. Or just be bold and go to work. Mojei ( talk) 23:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm putting this snippet here because I think the uncited stuff in the Types section is from that Jack Sullivan source at the bottom. Notice all the references to Fanu. Mojei ( talk) 23:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the merits of Sullivan's book or whether it is being cited here correctly, but to place Le Fanu as a "traditional" writer and not as a "psychological" writer is absurd; the story cited in the article, "Green Tea," exactly fits the "psychological" story's definition. The "ghost" does virtually nothing while the protagonist's mental decay is recorded in detail by a proto-psychologist--typical for Le Fanu's work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 ( talk) 23:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of ghost-stories. It might be useful to look at [2] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 23:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
It is worth adding that one of today's best-known ghost story writers is Jonathan Aycliffe, a British author who has written nine full-length novels in the genre. His books include Naomi's Room, which has been optioned for a film in Hollywood, the Matrix, which has been broadcast twice on BBC Radio, and the forthcoming The Silence of Ghosts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denis MacEoin ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
This article needs more references to the overall history and development of the ghost story. There's a lot of unreferenced material here that needs citations. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:35, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, the M.R. James article quoted seems to refer to James' own model for writing fiction (" some remarks that delineate the Jamesian criteria for ghostly fiction") rather than detailing the British ghost story as a whole, which is how it is quoted here. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 22:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
As it's currently written, the article seems to only talk about written works. Keeping with the same sort of structure as Spy fiction, I'm going to add sections for film and television. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Should specific works be separated by culture/country, or would this be better placed chronologically in the history section? -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Campfire stories often involve ghost stories, using either the colloquial 'any scary story' definition or more specifically involving ghosts. Here's one ref [3] (there's probably more out there but most search results are actual stories), but I'm not sure where to put this info – maybe a new ==In culture== section is needed, or can it fit into one of the existing sections? - Evad37 [ talk 06:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I am wondering if this page should be moved to Ghosts in fiction or something similar, with "ghost story" being one of the bolded alternative titles in the lede. The article currently puts a lot of weight to novels and stories, but ghost stories are certainly not limited to written works. I suspect a broader title might encourage expansion on these other types of ghost stories, at the possible expense of lower quality additions. I would suspect (without certainty) that the vast majority of ghost stories produced today are in film and television. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 19:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
As I read through the list of works featuring ghosts, I wonder what kind of criteria we should use to determine what examples to use or delete. Any ideas? -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Ping NickPenguin, Northamerica1000 since you both were one of the major contributors. I saw someone placed {{ example farm}} in the article. I'm not able to find any guidelines on when examples become "excessive". Any idea?? Jim Carter 10:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Starting a collection of sources:-- Melody Lavender ( talk) 14:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
by Maria Purves in an online journal for the psychological study of the arts
Jill Galvan, From: Victorian Studies, Volume 56, Number 2, Winter 2014, pp. 325-327 | 10.1353/vic.2014.0023
Published: 1927, Author: H. P. Lovecraft
CHILDREN’S LITERATURE By Anastasia Maria Ulanowicz, B.A. in English and History, College of Notre Dame of Maryland, 1997, M.A. in English, University of Pittsburgh, 2000
to Sidereal Spectres: Contexts for Reading Ghosts in Harry Potter
I have created a section on the talk page of {{ Literature}} to discuss the possible inclusion of this article on that template. CSJJ104 ( talk) 20:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
This article is about ghost stories that are works of fiction. Works by spiritualists, parapsycholgists, and other people that argue ghosts are real phenomena shouldn't be included. Also, writers such as Chris Baldick (in the Oxford Book of Gothic Tales) have argued that Gothic fiction is explicitly different from the ghost story, so this should be pointed out in the article. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 11:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
There are other problems with this entry-there are three unrelated mentions of M. R. James which could be placed in a single section, and James' ideas about the ghost story are the only ones discussed in detail (don't get me wrong, James was a superb GS writer, but other GS writers, such as Algernon Blackwood, have had different ideas about GS writing to James).
Also, the chronology of this article is all over the place. M. R. James, who wrote GS after Charles Dickens, yet is discussed before Dickens, and the "Modern era (1920 to present)" section begins with 19th century writers such as F. Marion Crawford and Edith Wharton. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 15:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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As explanation for the large edits I just made - many assertions here relied on weasel words, and also many ghost stories and authors are not notable enough to deserve a spot in the Introduction section, See Also section, etc. If we mention them there, then too many ghost stories and authors will be allowed to slip in. Before a revert, please ask me for an explanation, as this draft is still not so great, but it is a step in the right direction. Or just be bold and go to work. Mojei ( talk) 23:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm putting this snippet here because I think the uncited stuff in the Types section is from that Jack Sullivan source at the bottom. Notice all the references to Fanu. Mojei ( talk) 23:34, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't know the merits of Sullivan's book or whether it is being cited here correctly, but to place Le Fanu as a "traditional" writer and not as a "psychological" writer is absurd; the story cited in the article, "Green Tea," exactly fits the "psychological" story's definition. The "ghost" does virtually nothing while the protagonist's mental decay is recorded in detail by a proto-psychologist--typical for Le Fanu's work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.118.229.114 ( talk) 23:28, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, I'm working with OCLC, and we are algorithmically generating data about different Genres, like notable Authors, Book, Movies, Subjects, Characters and Places. We have determined that this Wikipedia page has a close affintity to our detected Genere of ghost-stories. It might be useful to look at [2] for more information. Thanks. Maximilianklein ( talk) 23:29, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
It is worth adding that one of today's best-known ghost story writers is Jonathan Aycliffe, a British author who has written nine full-length novels in the genre. His books include Naomi's Room, which has been optioned for a film in Hollywood, the Matrix, which has been broadcast twice on BBC Radio, and the forthcoming The Silence of Ghosts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denis MacEoin ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
This article needs more references to the overall history and development of the ghost story. There's a lot of unreferenced material here that needs citations. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 19:35, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
Also, the M.R. James article quoted seems to refer to James' own model for writing fiction (" some remarks that delineate the Jamesian criteria for ghostly fiction") rather than detailing the British ghost story as a whole, which is how it is quoted here. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 22:57, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
As it's currently written, the article seems to only talk about written works. Keeping with the same sort of structure as Spy fiction, I'm going to add sections for film and television. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:46, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Should specific works be separated by culture/country, or would this be better placed chronologically in the history section? -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 05:56, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Campfire stories often involve ghost stories, using either the colloquial 'any scary story' definition or more specifically involving ghosts. Here's one ref [3] (there's probably more out there but most search results are actual stories), but I'm not sure where to put this info – maybe a new ==In culture== section is needed, or can it fit into one of the existing sections? - Evad37 [ talk 06:17, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
I am wondering if this page should be moved to Ghosts in fiction or something similar, with "ghost story" being one of the bolded alternative titles in the lede. The article currently puts a lot of weight to novels and stories, but ghost stories are certainly not limited to written works. I suspect a broader title might encourage expansion on these other types of ghost stories, at the possible expense of lower quality additions. I would suspect (without certainty) that the vast majority of ghost stories produced today are in film and television. -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 19:55, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
As I read through the list of works featuring ghosts, I wonder what kind of criteria we should use to determine what examples to use or delete. Any ideas? -- Nick Penguin( contribs) 03:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Ping NickPenguin, Northamerica1000 since you both were one of the major contributors. I saw someone placed {{ example farm}} in the article. I'm not able to find any guidelines on when examples become "excessive". Any idea?? Jim Carter 10:44, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Starting a collection of sources:-- Melody Lavender ( talk) 14:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
by Maria Purves in an online journal for the psychological study of the arts
Jill Galvan, From: Victorian Studies, Volume 56, Number 2, Winter 2014, pp. 325-327 | 10.1353/vic.2014.0023
Published: 1927, Author: H. P. Lovecraft
CHILDREN’S LITERATURE By Anastasia Maria Ulanowicz, B.A. in English and History, College of Notre Dame of Maryland, 1997, M.A. in English, University of Pittsburgh, 2000
to Sidereal Spectres: Contexts for Reading Ghosts in Harry Potter
I have created a section on the talk page of {{ Literature}} to discuss the possible inclusion of this article on that template. CSJJ104 ( talk) 20:52, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
This article is about ghost stories that are works of fiction. Works by spiritualists, parapsycholgists, and other people that argue ghosts are real phenomena shouldn't be included. Also, writers such as Chris Baldick (in the Oxford Book of Gothic Tales) have argued that Gothic fiction is explicitly different from the ghost story, so this should be pointed out in the article. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 11:23, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
There are other problems with this entry-there are three unrelated mentions of M. R. James which could be placed in a single section, and James' ideas about the ghost story are the only ones discussed in detail (don't get me wrong, James was a superb GS writer, but other GS writers, such as Algernon Blackwood, have had different ideas about GS writing to James).
Also, the chronology of this article is all over the place. M. R. James, who wrote GS after Charles Dickens, yet is discussed before Dickens, and the "Modern era (1920 to present)" section begins with 19th century writers such as F. Marion Crawford and Edith Wharton. 176.61.97.121 ( talk) 15:52, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
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