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Reviewer: Tayi Arajakate ( talk · contribs) 11:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Krisgabwoosh, I'll be taking up the review for this good article nomination. Since this is a long and detailed article, it may take some time so please bear with me. I may come up with questions at times for which I'll ping you. I hope my feedback will be helpful and that I get to learn something new in the process.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 11:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I'll be sure to provide you with any information you need at any time.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 17:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Krisgabwoosh, sorry for the delay. I'll be reviewing the article properly tomorrow, but I have eyeballed through the article and have one things to point out. There are sentences here and there which lack inline citations. Also, shouldn't his political party/organisation be the Legion of Veterans?
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 16:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose it depends on the traditional definition of a party. The Legion of Veterans was a veterans' organization rather than a proper political party. However, for the 1938 National Convention, Busch adopted his predecessors idea of organized labor representation in the legislature. For this reason, trade unions and veterans' groups were allowed to put forth legislative candidates despite not being political parties. I suppose if this qualifies as a political party then, yeah, it should go there. I am fairly certain, though, that Military Socialism as an ideology should be removed from the political party section in the infobox.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 19:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Krisgabwoosh, I've completed the review and the article seems to be a bit of a premature nomination. It has a good foundation and can certainly be improved to meet the GA criteria but it is not there yet. There are multiple problematic references and the prose needs some improvement as well. I've pointed out the issues in details in the comments below. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to express them.
- I'm not failing it right away and if you want, I can put this article on hold for a period of time for the issues to be fixed although I do think this will need some time and effort. On a sidenote, regarding political party in the infobox, I would suggest removing the field.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. In truth, my main goal in nominating this article was to get an in-depth review of any issues it may have. I'd be happy if you put the review on hold and I will get to work on rectifying the issues cited.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 18:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, I've put the article on hold.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 23:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. I've gone through the list of changes and fixed, polished, and/or changes that needed to be changed. Some notes:
- I kept Sol de Pando as a citation. It is not a blog but rather one of the main newspapers of the Pando Department and the article cites various Bolivian historians, including Carlos Mesa. The reference shouldn't have, however, linked to a PDF. This has been fixed and now links to the actual newspaper's website.
- From what I found, Tomás Molina Céspedes is an author and chronicler of testimonials. [1] [2] Gráfica "J. V." is an editorial based in Cochabamba which publishes various historical works.
- I kept Cole Blasier's 1973 publication because, despite its age, it is still the best source for Nazi activities in Bolivia during the time.
- Primary sources and historical new articles have not been removed as citations but are now paired with scholarly sources so that they can be more verifiable.
- In making these changes, I've found about three scholarly sources which will take quite a bit of time to properly go through and cite. For the time being, I've used them to fix or expand on sections pertaining to this GA Review but I'll be continually adding to the article afterward. The sections "Political rise" and "Death and controversy" as well as certain sections under "President (1937–1939)" will be added to.
- I did have a question regarding this: I purchased the biography of Busch by Robert Brockmann. As the only form of the book I could acquire was a Kindle edition, there were no page numbers so all citations to that work show the chapter and paragraph numbers. This was the best solution I could come up with but if there's a better way of citing Kindle books without page numbers, please let me know.
- Anyway, that should about cover it. Feel free to ask me for any clarifications I may have forgotten to mention. Cheers!
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 21:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Krisgabwoosh, I've spot checked the points and the new expansions; I don't think there's anything which would disqualify it from meeting the good article criteria so I'm going to promote it. Good work on it and congratulations on your successful good article nomination! Tayi Arajakate Talk 08:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wow, thank you very much for your time and patience in reviewing the article. Much appreciated!
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 16:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. I've gone through the list of changes and fixed, polished, and/or changes that needed to be changed. Some notes:
- Alright, I've put the article on hold.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 23:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. In truth, my main goal in nominating this article was to get an in-depth review of any issues it may have. I'd be happy if you put the review on hold and I will get to work on rectifying the issues cited.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 18:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose it depends on the traditional definition of a party. The Legion of Veterans was a veterans' organization rather than a proper political party. However, for the 1938 National Convention, Busch adopted his predecessors idea of organized labor representation in the legislature. For this reason, trade unions and veterans' groups were allowed to put forth legislative candidates despite not being political parties. I suppose if this qualifies as a political party then, yeah, it should go there. I am fairly certain, though, that Military Socialism as an ideology should be removed from the political party section in the infobox.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 19:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Krisgabwoosh, sorry for the delay. I'll be reviewing the article properly tomorrow, but I have eyeballed through the article and have one things to point out. There are sentences here and there which lack inline citations. Also, shouldn't his political party/organisation be the Legion of Veterans?
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 16:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I'll be sure to provide you with any information you need at any time.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 17:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- ^ "Un libro que viene ardiendo". La Razón | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo. Retrieved 2021-07-08.
- ^ "Tomás Molina Céspedes". Oxígeno Digital (in Spanish). Retrieved 2021-07-08.
Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 21:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Comments
- "His exact place of birth has been a source of historical dispute; some historians point to San Javier, in central Bolivia's tropical coffee-growing Santa Cruz Department, while others to El Carmen de Iténez, in the northern cattle-growing Beni Department." This needs an inline citation.
- Ref 4 shoud name Robert Brockmann as its author.
- Ref 5 is a dead link.
- Ref 6 is a historical news article, there a primary source which should ideally be replaced. Alternatively since the material cited to it appears to be largely uncontroversial, it could be attributed in text. In addition, the reference states its archival date but not its publishing date, which is in 1939, this needs to be fixed.
- Not sure if "Bolivia Virtual Museum" is reliable source. Could you clarify if this has any relation to an actual museum?
- "for his expedition to the missions of San Ignacio de Zamucos", what do this mean?
- Ref 13 and 14 are primary sources and need to be replaced. They do not explicitly and directly verify the lines they are cited for.
- Ref 17 needs an ISBN or a DOI or some sort of link, if possible.
- "But for all his military tact and leadership ability, Busch lacked a political mind and was incapable of forming a coherent ideology. As such, he and the young officers around him eventually settled on the more politically minded, if less revolutionary committed, Colonel David Toro to lead their movement." This sounds a bit awkward, I would suggest rephrasing.
- Ref 19 and 21 are news article and should ideally be replaced by a scholarly sources.
- "As a result of the coup, Germán Busch succeeded to lead the military junta on 13 July 1937." This sounds awkward as well and can be rephrased.
- Ref 33, 34, 36 and 38 are primary sources and do no appear to directly verify the lines they are cited for.
- Ref
- Ref 39 does not appear to be a reliable source, appears pretty blog-ish. Could you clarify on this one?
- Ref 41 is a primary source and should be replaced.
- Ref 44, the author of this book appears to be not a historian. Could you clarify on this? I can figure out the publisher either.
- The first paragraph of "Immigration affair" needs inline citation(s).
- Ref 49 needs to be replaced in the historical portion and at the least needs to be attributed in the portion on legacy.
- Ref 51 is a historical news article, therefore a primary sources and should be replaced or at least attributed.
- Ref 52 is a primary source and needs to be replaced. The citation does not directly and explicitly verify the lines it is cited for, the entirety of the section on "Labour code" is cited to it could also bring up questions of due weight.
- The second paragraph of "Dictatorship declared" needs an inline citation.
- Ref 54 is a news article and should ideally be replaced with scholarly sources.
- Ref 55 is a blog which needs to be replaced with a reliable source.
- Ref 58 is passable although could still be replaced with scholarly sources.
- The section on the controversy following death is over-reliant on Toro and Ref 2. There should be scholarly sources on the controversy as well, no?
- The first paragraph under legacy
- Ref 62 and 63 is a direct link to social media. The first one is usable but it may be undue if no news outlet has reported on his tweet, the second one needs to be replaced with a reliable source.
- Ref 64 is a historical news article, therefore a primary source and should be replaced or at least attribute. I would highly recommend replacing with a scholarly source on this one.
- Ref 65 likely needs to be replaced with a more contemporary scholarly source.
- There is a portion of "Links to fascism" which has a citation needed tag. It needs an inline citation.
- In general, a lot of the references need to be formatted properly, they appear autogenerated, have wrong details in the wrong field and does not clearly state where it is sourced from.
- The body of the article is missing a mention of his marriage.
- The prose of the article uses informal emphasis at times which isn't encyclopedic, e.g: "unfortunate timing", "in no way", etc.
Assessment
- Comprehension: The comprehension can be improved. (Resolved)
- Verifiability: The references in the article need to be improved. (Resolved)
- Comprehensiveness: The article is comprehensive enough.
- Neutrality: No observable neutrality issues are present.
- Stability: The article is stable.
- Illustration: The article is well illustrated.
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (prose) | The prose needs some improvement. (Resolved) |
Pass
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| (b) (MoS) | Some manual of style issues exist with respect to the language used. (Resolved) |
Pass
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Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (references) | Not all lines have inline citations. (Resolved) |
Pass
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| (b) (citations to reliable sources) | Not all references are adequately reliable in the context they are used in. (Resolved) |
Pass
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| (c) (original research) | There are issues with original research due to the use of primary sources in certain parts. (Resolved) |
Pass
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| (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) | No copyright violation or plagiarism exist. |
Pass
|
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (major aspects) | The article appears to broadly major aspects. |
Pass
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| (b) (focused) | The article is focused without unnecessary deviations. |
Pass
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Pass
| Notes | Result |
|---|---|
| There may be neutrality issues due to the sources used but none are apparent. (Resolved) |
Pass
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Pass
| Notes | Result |
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| No edit warring, content disputes or major changes. |
Pass
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| Criteria | Notes | Result |
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| (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) | Images are all in the public domain. |
Pass
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| (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) | The use and captions are appropiate. |
Pass
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User:Krisgabwoosh thanks for your work on this, great article. ITBF ( talk) 08:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Tayi Arajakate ( talk · contribs) 11:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hello Krisgabwoosh, I'll be taking up the review for this good article nomination. Since this is a long and detailed article, it may take some time so please bear with me. I may come up with questions at times for which I'll ping you. I hope my feedback will be helpful and that I get to learn something new in the process.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 11:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I'll be sure to provide you with any information you need at any time.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 17:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Krisgabwoosh, sorry for the delay. I'll be reviewing the article properly tomorrow, but I have eyeballed through the article and have one things to point out. There are sentences here and there which lack inline citations. Also, shouldn't his political party/organisation be the Legion of Veterans?
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 16:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose it depends on the traditional definition of a party. The Legion of Veterans was a veterans' organization rather than a proper political party. However, for the 1938 National Convention, Busch adopted his predecessors idea of organized labor representation in the legislature. For this reason, trade unions and veterans' groups were allowed to put forth legislative candidates despite not being political parties. I suppose if this qualifies as a political party then, yeah, it should go there. I am fairly certain, though, that Military Socialism as an ideology should be removed from the political party section in the infobox.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 19:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Krisgabwoosh, I've completed the review and the article seems to be a bit of a premature nomination. It has a good foundation and can certainly be improved to meet the GA criteria but it is not there yet. There are multiple problematic references and the prose needs some improvement as well. I've pointed out the issues in details in the comments below. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to express them.
- I'm not failing it right away and if you want, I can put this article on hold for a period of time for the issues to be fixed although I do think this will need some time and effort. On a sidenote, regarding political party in the infobox, I would suggest removing the field.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 15:28, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. In truth, my main goal in nominating this article was to get an in-depth review of any issues it may have. I'd be happy if you put the review on hold and I will get to work on rectifying the issues cited.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 18:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, I've put the article on hold.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 23:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. I've gone through the list of changes and fixed, polished, and/or changes that needed to be changed. Some notes:
- I kept Sol de Pando as a citation. It is not a blog but rather one of the main newspapers of the Pando Department and the article cites various Bolivian historians, including Carlos Mesa. The reference shouldn't have, however, linked to a PDF. This has been fixed and now links to the actual newspaper's website.
- From what I found, Tomás Molina Céspedes is an author and chronicler of testimonials. [1] [2] Gráfica "J. V." is an editorial based in Cochabamba which publishes various historical works.
- I kept Cole Blasier's 1973 publication because, despite its age, it is still the best source for Nazi activities in Bolivia during the time.
- Primary sources and historical new articles have not been removed as citations but are now paired with scholarly sources so that they can be more verifiable.
- In making these changes, I've found about three scholarly sources which will take quite a bit of time to properly go through and cite. For the time being, I've used them to fix or expand on sections pertaining to this GA Review but I'll be continually adding to the article afterward. The sections "Political rise" and "Death and controversy" as well as certain sections under "President (1937–1939)" will be added to.
- I did have a question regarding this: I purchased the biography of Busch by Robert Brockmann. As the only form of the book I could acquire was a Kindle edition, there were no page numbers so all citations to that work show the chapter and paragraph numbers. This was the best solution I could come up with but if there's a better way of citing Kindle books without page numbers, please let me know.
- Anyway, that should about cover it. Feel free to ask me for any clarifications I may have forgotten to mention. Cheers!
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 21:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Krisgabwoosh, I've spot checked the points and the new expansions; I don't think there's anything which would disqualify it from meeting the good article criteria so I'm going to promote it. Good work on it and congratulations on your successful good article nomination! Tayi Arajakate Talk 08:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Wow, thank you very much for your time and patience in reviewing the article. Much appreciated!
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 16:51, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
- Ok. I've gone through the list of changes and fixed, polished, and/or changes that needed to be changed. Some notes:
- Alright, I've put the article on hold.
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 23:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much. In truth, my main goal in nominating this article was to get an in-depth review of any issues it may have. I'd be happy if you put the review on hold and I will get to work on rectifying the issues cited.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 18:41, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
- I suppose it depends on the traditional definition of a party. The Legion of Veterans was a veterans' organization rather than a proper political party. However, for the 1938 National Convention, Busch adopted his predecessors idea of organized labor representation in the legislature. For this reason, trade unions and veterans' groups were allowed to put forth legislative candidates despite not being political parties. I suppose if this qualifies as a political party then, yeah, it should go there. I am fairly certain, though, that Military Socialism as an ideology should be removed from the political party section in the infobox.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 19:19, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Krisgabwoosh, sorry for the delay. I'll be reviewing the article properly tomorrow, but I have eyeballed through the article and have one things to point out. There are sentences here and there which lack inline citations. Also, shouldn't his political party/organisation be the Legion of Veterans?
Tayi Arajakate
Talk 16:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! I'll be sure to provide you with any information you need at any time.
Krisgabwoosh (
talk) 17:38, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- ^ "Un libro que viene ardiendo". La Razón | Noticias de Bolivia y el Mundo. Retrieved 2021-07-08.
- ^ "Tomás Molina Céspedes". Oxígeno Digital (in Spanish). Retrieved 2021-07-08.
Krisgabwoosh ( talk) 21:03, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Comments
- "His exact place of birth has been a source of historical dispute; some historians point to San Javier, in central Bolivia's tropical coffee-growing Santa Cruz Department, while others to El Carmen de Iténez, in the northern cattle-growing Beni Department." This needs an inline citation.
- Ref 4 shoud name Robert Brockmann as its author.
- Ref 5 is a dead link.
- Ref 6 is a historical news article, there a primary source which should ideally be replaced. Alternatively since the material cited to it appears to be largely uncontroversial, it could be attributed in text. In addition, the reference states its archival date but not its publishing date, which is in 1939, this needs to be fixed.
- Not sure if "Bolivia Virtual Museum" is reliable source. Could you clarify if this has any relation to an actual museum?
- "for his expedition to the missions of San Ignacio de Zamucos", what do this mean?
- Ref 13 and 14 are primary sources and need to be replaced. They do not explicitly and directly verify the lines they are cited for.
- Ref 17 needs an ISBN or a DOI or some sort of link, if possible.
- "But for all his military tact and leadership ability, Busch lacked a political mind and was incapable of forming a coherent ideology. As such, he and the young officers around him eventually settled on the more politically minded, if less revolutionary committed, Colonel David Toro to lead their movement." This sounds a bit awkward, I would suggest rephrasing.
- Ref 19 and 21 are news article and should ideally be replaced by a scholarly sources.
- "As a result of the coup, Germán Busch succeeded to lead the military junta on 13 July 1937." This sounds awkward as well and can be rephrased.
- Ref 33, 34, 36 and 38 are primary sources and do no appear to directly verify the lines they are cited for.
- Ref
- Ref 39 does not appear to be a reliable source, appears pretty blog-ish. Could you clarify on this one?
- Ref 41 is a primary source and should be replaced.
- Ref 44, the author of this book appears to be not a historian. Could you clarify on this? I can figure out the publisher either.
- The first paragraph of "Immigration affair" needs inline citation(s).
- Ref 49 needs to be replaced in the historical portion and at the least needs to be attributed in the portion on legacy.
- Ref 51 is a historical news article, therefore a primary sources and should be replaced or at least attributed.
- Ref 52 is a primary source and needs to be replaced. The citation does not directly and explicitly verify the lines it is cited for, the entirety of the section on "Labour code" is cited to it could also bring up questions of due weight.
- The second paragraph of "Dictatorship declared" needs an inline citation.
- Ref 54 is a news article and should ideally be replaced with scholarly sources.
- Ref 55 is a blog which needs to be replaced with a reliable source.
- Ref 58 is passable although could still be replaced with scholarly sources.
- The section on the controversy following death is over-reliant on Toro and Ref 2. There should be scholarly sources on the controversy as well, no?
- The first paragraph under legacy
- Ref 62 and 63 is a direct link to social media. The first one is usable but it may be undue if no news outlet has reported on his tweet, the second one needs to be replaced with a reliable source.
- Ref 64 is a historical news article, therefore a primary source and should be replaced or at least attribute. I would highly recommend replacing with a scholarly source on this one.
- Ref 65 likely needs to be replaced with a more contemporary scholarly source.
- There is a portion of "Links to fascism" which has a citation needed tag. It needs an inline citation.
- In general, a lot of the references need to be formatted properly, they appear autogenerated, have wrong details in the wrong field and does not clearly state where it is sourced from.
- The body of the article is missing a mention of his marriage.
- The prose of the article uses informal emphasis at times which isn't encyclopedic, e.g: "unfortunate timing", "in no way", etc.
Assessment
- Comprehension: The comprehension can be improved. (Resolved)
- Verifiability: The references in the article need to be improved. (Resolved)
- Comprehensiveness: The article is comprehensive enough.
- Neutrality: No observable neutrality issues are present.
- Stability: The article is stable.
- Illustration: The article is well illustrated.
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (prose) | The prose needs some improvement. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
| (b) (MoS) | Some manual of style issues exist with respect to the language used. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (references) | Not all lines have inline citations. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
| (b) (citations to reliable sources) | Not all references are adequately reliable in the context they are used in. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
| (c) (original research) | There are issues with original research due to the use of primary sources in certain parts. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
| (d) (copyvio and plagiarism) | No copyright violation or plagiarism exist. |
Pass
|
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (major aspects) | The article appears to broadly major aspects. |
Pass
|
| (b) (focused) | The article is focused without unnecessary deviations. |
Pass
|
Pass
| Notes | Result |
|---|---|
| There may be neutrality issues due to the sources used but none are apparent. (Resolved) |
Pass
|
Pass
| Notes | Result |
|---|---|
| No edit warring, content disputes or major changes. |
Pass
|
Pass
| Criteria | Notes | Result |
|---|---|---|
| (a) (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales) | Images are all in the public domain. |
Pass
|
| (b) (appropriate use with suitable captions) | The use and captions are appropiate. |
Pass
|
User:Krisgabwoosh thanks for your work on this, great article. ITBF ( talk) 08:54, 10 April 2023 (UTC)