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Hello Wiki editors. I just thought you should know that the Herbert Packer that is George Packer's father doesn't seem to have a page at wiki. He should, but the link in the name goes to the wrong Herbert Packer, who does have a page. 76.103.124.111 06:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3880/is_200210/ai_n9140068/pg_2
I've removed the section on campaign contributions. I'm not sure what the agreed upon policy is here, so I'm perfectly willing to have a discussion in Talk. But Packer's not a political correspondent; he's a foreign correspondent. While politics--and specifically foreign policy--play a role in his career, it seems odd to list all the campaign contributions and purported political affiliations of every journalist on Wikipedia, and without any further explanation of relevance, the intent of the anonymous editor who added this is clearly to imply bias, an implication that cannot be backed by reliable sources.
Again, I'm perfectly willing to have a discussion on this, but it seems like an excessively personal, irrelevant, and POV little tidbit to have in there. S. Ugarte 16:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to expand upon what I said a little bit, because it turns out that the anonymous editor who added the campaign contribution information here added it to a bunch of other articles (as well as some even more baffling contributions, like noting so-and-so is Jewish). My feeling on this is that unless there's a clearer evidence of bias or some other relevant point (for instance, Randy Cohen's contributions were more relevant because they became a topic of public discussion, including affecting the distribution of his syndicated column), this information is unencyclopedic. George Packer is not encyclopedic because he's a campaign contributor; he's encyclopedic because he's a significant American journalist. Therefore, his contributions must have some relevance to his journalism or else they're not encyclopedic themselves. Simply having made the contributions, presumably not in violation of rules of The New Yorker (or at least, there was no claim that he did violate those rules), and with no indication that they evince any journalistic bias or anything else, is not relevant to his role as a journalist. Noting his contributions implies relevance unbacked by the source; the implication is one of bias. Without a reliable source to show the relevance (bias or otherwise) of such contributions, they're simply unencyclopedic.
Whew! S. Ugarte 19:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Unable to reach consensus, section has been added and removed several times.
Packer's campaign contributions have recently been removed because the original single source was a list (which I addressed by adding the corresponding article) and because it was called "a pretty insignificant fact" in an edit summary. Actually, campaign contributions by journalists is a major ethical problem, as evidenced by the fact that investigative reporter Bill Dedman devoted a lengthy article to the topic on MSNBC.com. In fact, Dedman devoted an entire section of that article to Packer's contributions. It was so noteworthy that WaPo media reporter Howard Kurtz mentioned at length the study by Dedman, putting Packer at the top of his list of journalist contributors. The study also got mentions in The Hotline and an entire news article in The New York Post. I'm adding it back. Drrll ( talk) 09:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I just fixed the information regarding George's relations to congressmen. The article claimed that his grandfather was George Huddleston Jr. and his great-grandfather was George Huddleston Sr. George Huddleston Jr. was actually his uncle, brother of his mother Nancy, while George Huddleston Sr. was his grandfather. I cannot, at the moment, find any online sources that will confirm this. Is it acceptable to cite his own book, Blood of the Liberals, as a reference? The only other source I can think of that would neatly verify this is birth records... Reckless7 ( talk) 11:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
While I haven't been able to find a clear reference for this fact, I can provide a round about way of verifying that George Huddleston Sr. is Packer's grandfather, instead of great-grandfather. If you look at the birthdate of Nancy Packer, which is in 1925 [1] (in the article, written in 2012, Nancy Packer is listed as 87; doing the math provides a birth year of 1925). George Huddleston Jr. was born in 1920. If George Huddleston Jr. were Packer's grandfather, then he would be Nancy Huddleston's father (indeed he was listed as the maternal grandfather of George Packer in the article). But considering the respective years of birth for Nancy Huddleston and George Huddleston Jr., he would have been five years of age when Nancy Huddleston was born, making it impossible for George Huddleston Jr. to be her father. I only recently joined wikipedia, and as such, have not gotten a sense for the best ways in which to reference and cite this kind of information; in fact, I joined wikipedia because I noticed the error and wanted to correct it. I'm not entirely sure what sorts of sources are acceptable to confirm facts of this nature. George's book, Blood of the Liberals would certainly spell out the nature of his relations with these two men, but I'm not sure if that's an acceptable source. Reckless7 ( talk) 23:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Packer was an early termination (ET) in the Peace Corps, failing to complete his 2-year assignment, a fact which he chose to hide in his first book "Village of Waiting". I think a balanced article on Packer would include this incident, although I cannot find a proper reference for it at this time. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 04:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
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Hello Wiki editors. I just thought you should know that the Herbert Packer that is George Packer's father doesn't seem to have a page at wiki. He should, but the link in the name goes to the wrong Herbert Packer, who does have a page. 76.103.124.111 06:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3880/is_200210/ai_n9140068/pg_2
I've removed the section on campaign contributions. I'm not sure what the agreed upon policy is here, so I'm perfectly willing to have a discussion in Talk. But Packer's not a political correspondent; he's a foreign correspondent. While politics--and specifically foreign policy--play a role in his career, it seems odd to list all the campaign contributions and purported political affiliations of every journalist on Wikipedia, and without any further explanation of relevance, the intent of the anonymous editor who added this is clearly to imply bias, an implication that cannot be backed by reliable sources.
Again, I'm perfectly willing to have a discussion on this, but it seems like an excessively personal, irrelevant, and POV little tidbit to have in there. S. Ugarte 16:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to expand upon what I said a little bit, because it turns out that the anonymous editor who added the campaign contribution information here added it to a bunch of other articles (as well as some even more baffling contributions, like noting so-and-so is Jewish). My feeling on this is that unless there's a clearer evidence of bias or some other relevant point (for instance, Randy Cohen's contributions were more relevant because they became a topic of public discussion, including affecting the distribution of his syndicated column), this information is unencyclopedic. George Packer is not encyclopedic because he's a campaign contributor; he's encyclopedic because he's a significant American journalist. Therefore, his contributions must have some relevance to his journalism or else they're not encyclopedic themselves. Simply having made the contributions, presumably not in violation of rules of The New Yorker (or at least, there was no claim that he did violate those rules), and with no indication that they evince any journalistic bias or anything else, is not relevant to his role as a journalist. Noting his contributions implies relevance unbacked by the source; the implication is one of bias. Without a reliable source to show the relevance (bias or otherwise) of such contributions, they're simply unencyclopedic.
Whew! S. Ugarte 19:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Unable to reach consensus, section has been added and removed several times.
Packer's campaign contributions have recently been removed because the original single source was a list (which I addressed by adding the corresponding article) and because it was called "a pretty insignificant fact" in an edit summary. Actually, campaign contributions by journalists is a major ethical problem, as evidenced by the fact that investigative reporter Bill Dedman devoted a lengthy article to the topic on MSNBC.com. In fact, Dedman devoted an entire section of that article to Packer's contributions. It was so noteworthy that WaPo media reporter Howard Kurtz mentioned at length the study by Dedman, putting Packer at the top of his list of journalist contributors. The study also got mentions in The Hotline and an entire news article in The New York Post. I'm adding it back. Drrll ( talk) 09:41, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I just fixed the information regarding George's relations to congressmen. The article claimed that his grandfather was George Huddleston Jr. and his great-grandfather was George Huddleston Sr. George Huddleston Jr. was actually his uncle, brother of his mother Nancy, while George Huddleston Sr. was his grandfather. I cannot, at the moment, find any online sources that will confirm this. Is it acceptable to cite his own book, Blood of the Liberals, as a reference? The only other source I can think of that would neatly verify this is birth records... Reckless7 ( talk) 11:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
While I haven't been able to find a clear reference for this fact, I can provide a round about way of verifying that George Huddleston Sr. is Packer's grandfather, instead of great-grandfather. If you look at the birthdate of Nancy Packer, which is in 1925 [1] (in the article, written in 2012, Nancy Packer is listed as 87; doing the math provides a birth year of 1925). George Huddleston Jr. was born in 1920. If George Huddleston Jr. were Packer's grandfather, then he would be Nancy Huddleston's father (indeed he was listed as the maternal grandfather of George Packer in the article). But considering the respective years of birth for Nancy Huddleston and George Huddleston Jr., he would have been five years of age when Nancy Huddleston was born, making it impossible for George Huddleston Jr. to be her father. I only recently joined wikipedia, and as such, have not gotten a sense for the best ways in which to reference and cite this kind of information; in fact, I joined wikipedia because I noticed the error and wanted to correct it. I'm not entirely sure what sorts of sources are acceptable to confirm facts of this nature. George's book, Blood of the Liberals would certainly spell out the nature of his relations with these two men, but I'm not sure if that's an acceptable source. Reckless7 ( talk) 23:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
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Packer was an early termination (ET) in the Peace Corps, failing to complete his 2-year assignment, a fact which he chose to hide in his first book "Village of Waiting". I think a balanced article on Packer would include this incident, although I cannot find a proper reference for it at this time. -- Westwind273 ( talk) 04:15, 24 August 2021 (UTC)