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Can I suggest that this topic be locked so that all entries can be moderated by editorial parties before being posted? Once the kids see that it's not a source of immediate giggles they will leave to do other pointless things, I am sure...
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.138.8 ( talk) 17:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
1. Which instruments is George Michael able to play?
2. Is he completely composing by himself?
3. Producers, arrangers, musicians ... he played with
These are some great questions, and I'd be more than happy to do some research and relay the information into the article. -- Aelange 00:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
1. He's able to play the keys, as well as bass and drums; he's also contributed guitar parts to a lot of his recordings.
2. He's composing the majority of his songs alone, with the exception of one or two songs per album, where he's working with some of his standard collaborators (i.e. Jon Douglas, David Austin, etc.). It's important to note that almost all of his greatest hits (e.g. Freedom! '90, Faith, Father Figure, Jesus To A Child, Outside etc.) are written solely by him.
3. He produced and arranged Faith and Listen Witout Prejudice by himself. In Older and Patience he did the same, with some exceptions (most notably in Patience, where for the first time made an extensive use of sampling). He has also worked with Babyface in "As", while his " Songs from the Last Century" covers' album was jointly produced by him and Phil Ramone.-- Alexchondros 13:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Police refused to elaborate on the alleged "lewd act", but implicitly said that the officer saw him masturbating and/or saw his erect penis and/or was proposed to carry out sexual activities together on the premises.
I've removed this. How do you "implicitly say" something? As far as I gathered, they were very careful not to say what the act was. Can you provide a reference for anything more definite? A quotation, perhaps? Obviously we all have some idea of what they meant by a "lewd act", but we can't put our own ideas into the article. -- Oliver P. 22:52 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Is he responsible for 80 million albums or 110 millon albums sold?
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Here, it says that George Michael sold 80 million... With respect, Deliogul 20:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Something's wrong with this Chinese link, i've tried many times, but it didnt work. I guess it's the fault of the Unicode system? -- Gboy 17:28 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The article said
IANALB this is so unlikely to be accurate that i am changing it without getting the details straight. Rule of thumb: anybody is entitled to sue anyone for anything; the only question is whether they are entitled to win the remedy they sue for. (The exceptions are fascinating but irrelevant.)
The details may or may not be of interest (e.g. was the mocking called slanderous, or were the mocking and slander presented as separate torts, or was one mentioned only to provide context?), but i'm converting it to a vague but true version. --
Jerzy
(t) 18:58, 2004 Mar 30 (UTC)
It's a matter of semantics really. Such people as those working for Madonna sign contracts that give up various rights, one of which is the right to sue Madonna on various grounds. Now if they do it and the judge or jury rules in their favor, then they are entitled to sue by virtue of winning the suit. If the contract is ruled as valid, then in essence they were not entitled to seek damages (or "sue" as we put it). So it really is not an improper usage, it's just that "sue" is too vague of a word for the intent.-- Tednor 11:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
My goodness, where did that ghastly photo come from? Are there no better photos out there? -- timc | Talk 18:05, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That was old vandalism, incompletely reverted, ( 205.244.100.170 | talk | contributions) -- Curps 02:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What were the minimum contractual obligations he had towards Sony? And I thought his contract was bought out by another record company.
"Bought out" is far too simplistic. As part of the settlement, he was allowed to start recording for the other company provided he pay Sony a sum of money. Chances are he got this sum of money from the new record company, but since we don't have a copy of his contract, who knows?-- Tednor 11:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
"An appeals court reinstated the case on 3 December 2002" Does anyone know what happened what that case? I always thought the policeman lost.
Garion96 14:21, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I am uncertain as to why this information is included in this article. First, it is reported as a vicious rumor-hardly worthy of inclusion on that basis alone. Secondly, even if true and verifiable, how is this relevant. Unless, there is some justification for this, I shall remove this information. Franklin Moore 19:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
There is no mention of the authorized biography which was written by Tony Parsons and released in 1991. Can someone please add that? Bare @Amazon UK
I know this sounds strange, but I remember this song was constantly played on the radio (Y-100 to be specific) in South Florida in the years 1992-1993. Because of this, I always thought this song was from that year, but was surprised to learn it was from much earlier - 1990. Is it possible it wasn't released in the US until 1992? Davez621 15:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Freedom 90 was definitely released to the states in 1990. Billboard is a source.
Why is there no mention in this article about the controversies surrounding Georgie's "I Want Your Sex" video & song? It was banned by many radio stations in North America. Surely this deserves to be covered in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.106.21.230 ( talk • contribs) . 14:46, 2 June 2006
I am certain that "I want your sex" was dubbed so that he was saying only "I want your love", but have no sources. I remember clear as day this version being "auditioned" on radio numerous times before they finally released it the right way (as "I want your sex"). Can anyone clear this up?--
Tednor 11:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I just realised I removed those links a few times and they got reverted back.
Any comments on whether these sites should stay or go? Garion96 (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Michael's lover of two years Anselmo Feleppa died of an AIDS-related brain haemorrhage in 1993. The death plunged Michael into clinical depression, which can reasonably be at least partially attributable to some irresponsible acts. His mother died soon after seeing her father and brother's heads in gas ovens, according to a Guardian interview.
Uh, what? I don't know anything about George Michael, i was just reading out of curiosity, but this sounds pretty weird to me. Either it's vandalism or it's just really poorly written. Someone should, you know, probably explain what her father's and brother's heads were doing in gas ovens.
-- Lav-chan 20:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the following from the article
"Many residents of Hampstead and its park-goers regularly witness full sexual encounters in public view in broad daylight. Most disturbing is the sex litter left behind, including used condoms, discarded lubricant packets and soiled tissues"
as this is not mentioned in the BBC interview and also it just an opinion which is actually false
If it can be sourced to statements made by neighborhood residents it is totally fair, but that's IF a source is provided (as the it is the residents opinion that is being sourced, all that's needed is a quote to make it legitimate. that's my tuppence.
I think the Γιώργος-Κυριάκος Παναγιώτου reference as his "birth name" in the info box is a little pretentious given that he was born in London and lived his entire life in the UK. Surely his birth certificate is in English... and his name is certainly transliterated from birth. This sets a silly precedent: Kirk Douglas was born in Amsterdam, New York... there's no reason to write his birth name in Belarusian just because his parents emigrated from there. I'm removing it.... somebody scream if I'm wrong. Iamvered 20:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess I agree with you there, but the text is so BEAUTIFUL, I'm gonna head over to the Greek Language section.
You're being racist.
Much as a group of us did on the Elton John article, I have removed the rather depressing and confusing section called "Publicity, notoriety, & depression" and created a new section called "Personal life", which I have sectioned as the content would allow. I have also started to change the refrences over to a better format. Rgds, - Trident13 09:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
He is apparently going out with both of them according to the article! Damiancorrigan 13:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I first heard of this song which cannot be described in words on German former TV program 'VIVA II', and I was electrified. A video which is almost completely black, but there IS something going on in the background, but you must absolutely concentrate to perceive anything. And this LYRICS! If there was a Nobel Prize for lyrics, this might be a possible candidate. WHAT A MAGNIFICENT SONG!!! Don't you think it should be mentioned? -andy 80.129.122.124 22:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I know this is an old post, but it seemed a nice tidy spot to say this. The paragraph describing "Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1" contradicts the article "Praying for Time". There definitely was a video for this song.-- Eddylyons ( talk) 20:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
This source [2] has been removed a few times by an anon. I do agree this source is not really reliable. A reporter from Jewtastic, a blog, has said that George Michael has said. "You've got that wrong guy, Andrew is not Jewish, I'm Jewish".
Regarding the external links, see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. In casu, fan sites and forums. Garion96 (talk) 21:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but the statement was repeated in a reputable online newspaper that certainly passes WP:RS, so we can assume that they have checked it.-- Runcorn 22:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree. Why is it an exceptional claim that needs exceptional evidence?-- Runcorn 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added a quotation from an interview with a leading Spanish newspaper where he explicitly describes his mother as Jewish.-- Newport 17:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be any problem if i mention it with a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.232.211 ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Given that, the text in the article ("of Jewish descent") would seem to suggest stronger ties to the faith than actually exist. -- Ckatz chat spy 19:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)"His maternal grandmother was Jewish but married a Gentile and raised her children with no knowledge of their Semitic heritage. This was during World War II, and "she thought if they didn't know that their mother was Jewish, they wouldn't be at risk," Michael said. His mother was sent to convent school, effectively obliterating any traces of his grandmother's faith."
It's got nothing to do with faith, but only ethnicity.And still it's not as though i catagorised him as jewish.( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC).
I agree with Ckatz...his mother's faith is irrelevant. You normally don't see other stars labeled as Christians or Buddhists, unless that faith plays a major role in their life. I recommend you stop adding this in because we will continue to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.56.66 ( talk) 17:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I think you are not aware of the fact that Jewish is an ethnicity and Judaism is a faith(and so do i write "of Jewish descent" and not"of the Jewish faith") so that there is no difference between mentioning that and his fathers Greek-Cypriot background, and no, i didn't even once lable him as Jewish by not writing it down or categorize him as "Jewish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.191.198 ( talk) 18:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
His mother's faith is irrelevant. She is of English descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc Harris ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Read my comment from above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.109.130 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
George Michael is JEWISH! End of discussion! You are being anti-semitic if you don't let us mention it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.165.117 ( talk • contribs) 14:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
He is not Jewish as he is of Jewish descent on his mothers side, and don't see why it should not be mentioned if his fathers Greek-Cypriot backround is mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.160.199 ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice try with the anti-semetic...but it wont work here. GM is not Jewish and his mother is English, his father is Greek. Simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc Harris ( talk • contribs) 16:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
No one actually said he is(jewish) or catagorized him with that, but just left a minor mention of his mother's backround with a reliable third side source, and yes, his mother is English by her nationality, but is of jewish descent so that it seems you are taking things totally out of their context. The mention of his mothers jewish roots, just like the mention of his fathers greek nationality is rellevant to the describe of his foreign backround. What i would like from the people who keep deleting the information is to take more part in this discussion, because on one side you tell us to wait until a consensus is been reached, but on the other side you hardly take part in the discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.243.186 ( talk • contribs) 15:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I do also other things, but forget about it. What we need to do is to try and find a salution to the matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.243.186 ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The claim this his maternal grandmother was Jewish is soundly sourced. Please leave it in or give a good reason for deleting it. Viewfinder ( talk) 19:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Viewfinder, I agree with you that the claim of his maternal grandmother is soundly sourced, but other editors (CKatz) and myself see that it is irrelevant to the article. GM never claimed to be Jewish nor has he ever claimed that the faith or identity has ever played any part of his life. For this reason it is irrelevant. There are a couple of vandal users that continue to put it back in. I appreciate you trying to put this issue to rest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.56.66 ( talk) 01:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following lines from the politics subsection:
“ | In the autumn of 2006, a homemade video set to Freedom 90, which criticized George W. Bush and encouraged Americans to vote against Republican political candidates, became extremely popular on YouTube, reintroducing the song to many young voters who had never heard it before. The song was originally about Michael's departure from Wham!, but this video used the lyrics as a metaphor for the 2006 elections which was not authorised by Mr Michael himself. | ” |
A fan creating a YouTube video has absolutely nothing to do with George Michael or his politics. IrishGuy talk 18:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The article states that Anselmo Feleppa died of an AIDS related brain-haemorrage. Has this been verified? Unless this information comes from a source that can be trusted, I believe the reference to Feleppa having AIDS should be removed. fritte 16:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
That's a Rupert Murdoch conspiracy
George himself states on his "A Different Story" documentary the Anselmo was HIV Positive, and that George himself had to take a test. His song "Spinning the Wheel" is about the possibility of catching HIV/AIDS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.105.167 ( talk) 09:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd propose the "g" form, because this is a gamma and thus "g". -andy 91.32.104.102 17:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
the Greek "g" is a voiced velar fricative. It´s sometimes transcribed as "g", more often as "y", since it is no sound of English. The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) uses the Greek "gamma" to disambiguate its pronunciation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.148.181.85 ( talk) 21:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no photograph of George Michael? He's very famous. Is it some kind of Wikipedia policy not to have photographs of most living people?
I just want to tell you that George Michael' dad is named Iakovos. That is in english Jacob and not Kyriakos. Kyriakos is probably George Michael's second name. Many Greeks have got two names.
FREEDOM 90 VIDEO
"As if to prove the song's sentiment, George refused to appear in the video, which was directed by David Fincher, and instead recruited a number of supermodels (including Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, Christy Turlington, Tatjana Patitz and Cindy Crawford) to mouth the words."
Well, the video is on YouTube and, besides the models, it shows a man who looks like George Michaels syncing to the lyrics. Is it someone else? If not, the article should be revised. Babby0 01:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that the Song Faith is about the singers rejection of an attractive third party who is trying to encourage Michael to be unfaithful to someone else. I see no mention of a second party, only Michael and one other potential lover.
Like the previous single ("I want your sex") and "Fast Love", the theme is how sex (which Michael portrays as a natural pleasurable activity in "I want your sex") is often taken to imply more than this, often pair bonding (hence the wedding music at the beginning), but the only justification for this leap from sex to pair bonding is a religion ("Faith" in Faith, "bible" in "Fast Love") which Michael does not share. -- Timtak 10:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Why does 172.202.58.167 keep removing referenced and accurate and informative text from this article? How do I block anon vandals? Darkieboy236 11:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
"Darkieboy236" regularly goes through articles adding UK and changing English decriptions to British. The George Michael article had GM described as English with a reference with quotes from GM himself for quite some time! After asking this user to stop reverting back to his version as he was altering statements that were backed up with references he then added several useless references from unofficial websites so that he could use the same arguement. This user has repeatedly changed the article back to his version - this user has also been blocked previously for edit warring on a similar subject. I belive there was also a consensus met a year or so ago not to add UK to every geographical description as it is unncessary and looks stupid. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
172.143.116.15 (
talk) 15:28, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, my fault!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, you're right. Absolutely NO confirmation about new album in 2008. While adding a template I messed the article up a bit - but not on purpose and not as a vandal. I'm a good girl. ;-) -- Fromgermany 10:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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Can I suggest that this topic be locked so that all entries can be moderated by editorial parties before being posted? Once the kids see that it's not a source of immediate giggles they will leave to do other pointless things, I am sure...
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.69.138.8 ( talk) 17:03, 7 December 2006 (UTC).
1. Which instruments is George Michael able to play?
2. Is he completely composing by himself?
3. Producers, arrangers, musicians ... he played with
These are some great questions, and I'd be more than happy to do some research and relay the information into the article. -- Aelange 00:18, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
1. He's able to play the keys, as well as bass and drums; he's also contributed guitar parts to a lot of his recordings.
2. He's composing the majority of his songs alone, with the exception of one or two songs per album, where he's working with some of his standard collaborators (i.e. Jon Douglas, David Austin, etc.). It's important to note that almost all of his greatest hits (e.g. Freedom! '90, Faith, Father Figure, Jesus To A Child, Outside etc.) are written solely by him.
3. He produced and arranged Faith and Listen Witout Prejudice by himself. In Older and Patience he did the same, with some exceptions (most notably in Patience, where for the first time made an extensive use of sampling). He has also worked with Babyface in "As", while his " Songs from the Last Century" covers' album was jointly produced by him and Phil Ramone.-- Alexchondros 13:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Police refused to elaborate on the alleged "lewd act", but implicitly said that the officer saw him masturbating and/or saw his erect penis and/or was proposed to carry out sexual activities together on the premises.
I've removed this. How do you "implicitly say" something? As far as I gathered, they were very careful not to say what the act was. Can you provide a reference for anything more definite? A quotation, perhaps? Obviously we all have some idea of what they meant by a "lewd act", but we can't put our own ideas into the article. -- Oliver P. 22:52 1 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Is he responsible for 80 million albums or 110 millon albums sold?
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Here, it says that George Michael sold 80 million... With respect, Deliogul 20:18, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
Something's wrong with this Chinese link, i've tried many times, but it didnt work. I guess it's the fault of the Unicode system? -- Gboy 17:28 24 Jul 2003 (UTC)
The article said
IANALB this is so unlikely to be accurate that i am changing it without getting the details straight. Rule of thumb: anybody is entitled to sue anyone for anything; the only question is whether they are entitled to win the remedy they sue for. (The exceptions are fascinating but irrelevant.)
The details may or may not be of interest (e.g. was the mocking called slanderous, or were the mocking and slander presented as separate torts, or was one mentioned only to provide context?), but i'm converting it to a vague but true version. --
Jerzy
(t) 18:58, 2004 Mar 30 (UTC)
It's a matter of semantics really. Such people as those working for Madonna sign contracts that give up various rights, one of which is the right to sue Madonna on various grounds. Now if they do it and the judge or jury rules in their favor, then they are entitled to sue by virtue of winning the suit. If the contract is ruled as valid, then in essence they were not entitled to seek damages (or "sue" as we put it). So it really is not an improper usage, it's just that "sue" is too vague of a word for the intent.-- Tednor 11:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
My goodness, where did that ghastly photo come from? Are there no better photos out there? -- timc | Talk 18:05, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
That was old vandalism, incompletely reverted, ( 205.244.100.170 | talk | contributions) -- Curps 02:49, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
What were the minimum contractual obligations he had towards Sony? And I thought his contract was bought out by another record company.
"Bought out" is far too simplistic. As part of the settlement, he was allowed to start recording for the other company provided he pay Sony a sum of money. Chances are he got this sum of money from the new record company, but since we don't have a copy of his contract, who knows?-- Tednor 11:24, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
"An appeals court reinstated the case on 3 December 2002" Does anyone know what happened what that case? I always thought the policeman lost.
Garion96 14:21, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
I am uncertain as to why this information is included in this article. First, it is reported as a vicious rumor-hardly worthy of inclusion on that basis alone. Secondly, even if true and verifiable, how is this relevant. Unless, there is some justification for this, I shall remove this information. Franklin Moore 19:59, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
There is no mention of the authorized biography which was written by Tony Parsons and released in 1991. Can someone please add that? Bare @Amazon UK
I know this sounds strange, but I remember this song was constantly played on the radio (Y-100 to be specific) in South Florida in the years 1992-1993. Because of this, I always thought this song was from that year, but was surprised to learn it was from much earlier - 1990. Is it possible it wasn't released in the US until 1992? Davez621 15:11, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
Freedom 90 was definitely released to the states in 1990. Billboard is a source.
Why is there no mention in this article about the controversies surrounding Georgie's "I Want Your Sex" video & song? It was banned by many radio stations in North America. Surely this deserves to be covered in this article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 142.106.21.230 ( talk • contribs) . 14:46, 2 June 2006
I am certain that "I want your sex" was dubbed so that he was saying only "I want your love", but have no sources. I remember clear as day this version being "auditioned" on radio numerous times before they finally released it the right way (as "I want your sex"). Can anyone clear this up?--
Tednor 11:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I just realised I removed those links a few times and they got reverted back.
Any comments on whether these sites should stay or go? Garion96 (talk) 10:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Michael's lover of two years Anselmo Feleppa died of an AIDS-related brain haemorrhage in 1993. The death plunged Michael into clinical depression, which can reasonably be at least partially attributable to some irresponsible acts. His mother died soon after seeing her father and brother's heads in gas ovens, according to a Guardian interview.
Uh, what? I don't know anything about George Michael, i was just reading out of curiosity, but this sounds pretty weird to me. Either it's vandalism or it's just really poorly written. Someone should, you know, probably explain what her father's and brother's heads were doing in gas ovens.
-- Lav-chan 20:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the following from the article
"Many residents of Hampstead and its park-goers regularly witness full sexual encounters in public view in broad daylight. Most disturbing is the sex litter left behind, including used condoms, discarded lubricant packets and soiled tissues"
as this is not mentioned in the BBC interview and also it just an opinion which is actually false
If it can be sourced to statements made by neighborhood residents it is totally fair, but that's IF a source is provided (as the it is the residents opinion that is being sourced, all that's needed is a quote to make it legitimate. that's my tuppence.
I think the Γιώργος-Κυριάκος Παναγιώτου reference as his "birth name" in the info box is a little pretentious given that he was born in London and lived his entire life in the UK. Surely his birth certificate is in English... and his name is certainly transliterated from birth. This sets a silly precedent: Kirk Douglas was born in Amsterdam, New York... there's no reason to write his birth name in Belarusian just because his parents emigrated from there. I'm removing it.... somebody scream if I'm wrong. Iamvered 20:14, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
I guess I agree with you there, but the text is so BEAUTIFUL, I'm gonna head over to the Greek Language section.
You're being racist.
Much as a group of us did on the Elton John article, I have removed the rather depressing and confusing section called "Publicity, notoriety, & depression" and created a new section called "Personal life", which I have sectioned as the content would allow. I have also started to change the refrences over to a better format. Rgds, - Trident13 09:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
He is apparently going out with both of them according to the article! Damiancorrigan 13:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I first heard of this song which cannot be described in words on German former TV program 'VIVA II', and I was electrified. A video which is almost completely black, but there IS something going on in the background, but you must absolutely concentrate to perceive anything. And this LYRICS! If there was a Nobel Prize for lyrics, this might be a possible candidate. WHAT A MAGNIFICENT SONG!!! Don't you think it should be mentioned? -andy 80.129.122.124 22:39, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I know this is an old post, but it seemed a nice tidy spot to say this. The paragraph describing "Listen Without Prejudice Vol. 1" contradicts the article "Praying for Time". There definitely was a video for this song.-- Eddylyons ( talk) 20:44, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
This source [2] has been removed a few times by an anon. I do agree this source is not really reliable. A reporter from Jewtastic, a blog, has said that George Michael has said. "You've got that wrong guy, Andrew is not Jewish, I'm Jewish".
Regarding the external links, see Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided. In casu, fan sites and forums. Garion96 (talk) 21:11, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but the statement was repeated in a reputable online newspaper that certainly passes WP:RS, so we can assume that they have checked it.-- Runcorn 22:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I strongly disagree. Why is it an exceptional claim that needs exceptional evidence?-- Runcorn 19:00, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
I've added a quotation from an interview with a leading Spanish newspaper where he explicitly describes his mother as Jewish.-- Newport 17:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Should there be any problem if i mention it with a reliable source? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.232.211 ( talk) 18:51, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
Given that, the text in the article ("of Jewish descent") would seem to suggest stronger ties to the faith than actually exist. -- Ckatz chat spy 19:02, 25 November 2008 (UTC)"His maternal grandmother was Jewish but married a Gentile and raised her children with no knowledge of their Semitic heritage. This was during World War II, and "she thought if they didn't know that their mother was Jewish, they wouldn't be at risk," Michael said. His mother was sent to convent school, effectively obliterating any traces of his grandmother's faith."
It's got nothing to do with faith, but only ethnicity.And still it's not as though i catagorised him as jewish.( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC).
I agree with Ckatz...his mother's faith is irrelevant. You normally don't see other stars labeled as Christians or Buddhists, unless that faith plays a major role in their life. I recommend you stop adding this in because we will continue to remove it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.56.66 ( talk) 17:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
I think you are not aware of the fact that Jewish is an ethnicity and Judaism is a faith(and so do i write "of Jewish descent" and not"of the Jewish faith") so that there is no difference between mentioning that and his fathers Greek-Cypriot background, and no, i didn't even once lable him as Jewish by not writing it down or categorize him as "Jewish". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.68.191.198 ( talk) 18:46, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
His mother's faith is irrelevant. She is of English descent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc Harris ( talk • contribs) 19:25, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
Read my comment from above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.139.109.130 ( talk • contribs) 21:12, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
George Michael is JEWISH! End of discussion! You are being anti-semitic if you don't let us mention it... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.101.165.117 ( talk • contribs) 14:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
He is not Jewish as he is of Jewish descent on his mothers side, and don't see why it should not be mentioned if his fathers Greek-Cypriot backround is mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.0.160.199 ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Nice try with the anti-semetic...but it wont work here. GM is not Jewish and his mother is English, his father is Greek. Simple. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc Harris ( talk • contribs) 16:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
No one actually said he is(jewish) or catagorized him with that, but just left a minor mention of his mother's backround with a reliable third side source, and yes, his mother is English by her nationality, but is of jewish descent so that it seems you are taking things totally out of their context. The mention of his mothers jewish roots, just like the mention of his fathers greek nationality is rellevant to the describe of his foreign backround. What i would like from the people who keep deleting the information is to take more part in this discussion, because on one side you tell us to wait until a consensus is been reached, but on the other side you hardly take part in the discussion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.243.186 ( talk • contribs) 15:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I do also other things, but forget about it. What we need to do is to try and find a salution to the matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.250.243.186 ( talk • contribs) 18:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
The claim this his maternal grandmother was Jewish is soundly sourced. Please leave it in or give a good reason for deleting it. Viewfinder ( talk) 19:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
Viewfinder, I agree with you that the claim of his maternal grandmother is soundly sourced, but other editors (CKatz) and myself see that it is irrelevant to the article. GM never claimed to be Jewish nor has he ever claimed that the faith or identity has ever played any part of his life. For this reason it is irrelevant. There are a couple of vandal users that continue to put it back in. I appreciate you trying to put this issue to rest. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.19.56.66 ( talk) 01:54, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
I removed the following lines from the politics subsection:
“ | In the autumn of 2006, a homemade video set to Freedom 90, which criticized George W. Bush and encouraged Americans to vote against Republican political candidates, became extremely popular on YouTube, reintroducing the song to many young voters who had never heard it before. The song was originally about Michael's departure from Wham!, but this video used the lyrics as a metaphor for the 2006 elections which was not authorised by Mr Michael himself. | ” |
A fan creating a YouTube video has absolutely nothing to do with George Michael or his politics. IrishGuy talk 18:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
The article states that Anselmo Feleppa died of an AIDS related brain-haemorrage. Has this been verified? Unless this information comes from a source that can be trusted, I believe the reference to Feleppa having AIDS should be removed. fritte 16:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
That's a Rupert Murdoch conspiracy
George himself states on his "A Different Story" documentary the Anselmo was HIV Positive, and that George himself had to take a test. His song "Spinning the Wheel" is about the possibility of catching HIV/AIDS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.105.167 ( talk) 09:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'd propose the "g" form, because this is a gamma and thus "g". -andy 91.32.104.102 17:38, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
the Greek "g" is a voiced velar fricative. It´s sometimes transcribed as "g", more often as "y", since it is no sound of English. The International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) uses the Greek "gamma" to disambiguate its pronunciation —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.148.181.85 ( talk) 21:25, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Why is there no photograph of George Michael? He's very famous. Is it some kind of Wikipedia policy not to have photographs of most living people?
I just want to tell you that George Michael' dad is named Iakovos. That is in english Jacob and not Kyriakos. Kyriakos is probably George Michael's second name. Many Greeks have got two names.
FREEDOM 90 VIDEO
"As if to prove the song's sentiment, George refused to appear in the video, which was directed by David Fincher, and instead recruited a number of supermodels (including Naomi Campbell, Linda Evangelista, Christy Turlington, Tatjana Patitz and Cindy Crawford) to mouth the words."
Well, the video is on YouTube and, besides the models, it shows a man who looks like George Michaels syncing to the lyrics. Is it someone else? If not, the article should be revised. Babby0 01:02, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
It says in the article that the Song Faith is about the singers rejection of an attractive third party who is trying to encourage Michael to be unfaithful to someone else. I see no mention of a second party, only Michael and one other potential lover.
Like the previous single ("I want your sex") and "Fast Love", the theme is how sex (which Michael portrays as a natural pleasurable activity in "I want your sex") is often taken to imply more than this, often pair bonding (hence the wedding music at the beginning), but the only justification for this leap from sex to pair bonding is a religion ("Faith" in Faith, "bible" in "Fast Love") which Michael does not share. -- Timtak 10:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Why does 172.202.58.167 keep removing referenced and accurate and informative text from this article? How do I block anon vandals? Darkieboy236 11:49, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
"Darkieboy236" regularly goes through articles adding UK and changing English decriptions to British. The George Michael article had GM described as English with a reference with quotes from GM himself for quite some time! After asking this user to stop reverting back to his version as he was altering statements that were backed up with references he then added several useless references from unofficial websites so that he could use the same arguement. This user has repeatedly changed the article back to his version - this user has also been blocked previously for edit warring on a similar subject. I belive there was also a consensus met a year or so ago not to add UK to every geographical description as it is unncessary and looks stupid. —Preceding
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Sorry, my fault!!!!!!!!!!!!! Of course, you're right. Absolutely NO confirmation about new album in 2008. While adding a template I messed the article up a bit - but not on purpose and not as a vandal. I'm a good girl. ;-) -- Fromgermany 10:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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