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Assassination or murder?
The lead says that Rockwell was murdered, but he was a public figure and the likely motive was political in nature. Public figures who are murdered for political reasons are commonly called victims of assassination (see MLK and Malcolm X). Is Rockwell's ideology being used against him as a reason to not accurately categorize his death?
47.137.183.192 (
talk) 04:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Nowhere does the article explain how this was politically motivated, nor does it give any motive at all. The
John Patler article doesn't either. This information would require reliable sources. Assassination is a subset of murder, so just saying "murder" is sufficient and more neutral until such sources are provided.
Grayfell (
talk) 02:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Agreed. I've eliminated references to assassination from the article for these reasons.
João Do Rio (
talk) 21:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)reply
On the entry for "American Nazi Party" Rockwell's killing is called an assassination and the murder an assassin throughout the entry. There isn't a reference given, but the media reported Rockwell's killing as an assassination. I'm not sure which is the right term to use, but there should probably be consistency between this entry and the one on the American Nazi Party?
TheBlueTortoise (
talk) 07:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Belatedly, I have changed that article, as explained at
Talk:American Nazi Party. I agree that this term is not strictly incorrect, but still do not think it adds clarity. The information is better presented in direct, simple language.
Grayfell (
talk) 01:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Publications
I ran a Google search for "How Malcolm X Helped Aryans". Doesn't exist. The only results were three identical Wiki entries with basically the same contents of this article. There isn't even a source for this. Which one of you put that there?
2600:1700:E710:5D20:30E0:A3AE:F616:6819 (
talk) 23:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)reply
It was added by an anonymous vandal. I've removed it.
Grayfell (
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I had reverted the addition of
Category:Assassinated Nazis, but was
reverted yesterday with the rationale "Ignore all precedents". I don't believe an essay is a valid reason to edit war over a category that doesn't even seem applicable here, as it seems to be used for people who actually worked for and/or collaborated with the actual Nazi party before or during WWII. Pinging @
MagicatthemovieS to discuss. The WordsmithTalk to me 16:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The category is for Nazis, not simply Nazis from the 1940s. I think the category fits here, as Rockwell was a Nazi and he was assassinated.
MagicatthemovieS (
talk) 17:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Rockwell was a neo-Nazi, not an actual Nazi. There's an important difference. If there was a category/subcategory for that it would be appropriate, but it doesn't seem to fit here. The WordsmithTalk to me 13:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)reply
A neo-Nazi is a Nazi, and Wikipedia says so.
MagicatthemovieS (
talk) 14:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)MagicatthemovieSreply
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Assassination or murder?
The lead says that Rockwell was murdered, but he was a public figure and the likely motive was political in nature. Public figures who are murdered for political reasons are commonly called victims of assassination (see MLK and Malcolm X). Is Rockwell's ideology being used against him as a reason to not accurately categorize his death?
47.137.183.192 (
talk) 04:03, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Nowhere does the article explain how this was politically motivated, nor does it give any motive at all. The
John Patler article doesn't either. This information would require reliable sources. Assassination is a subset of murder, so just saying "murder" is sufficient and more neutral until such sources are provided.
Grayfell (
talk) 02:04, 10 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Agreed. I've eliminated references to assassination from the article for these reasons.
João Do Rio (
talk) 21:23, 6 December 2018 (UTC)reply
On the entry for "American Nazi Party" Rockwell's killing is called an assassination and the murder an assassin throughout the entry. There isn't a reference given, but the media reported Rockwell's killing as an assassination. I'm not sure which is the right term to use, but there should probably be consistency between this entry and the one on the American Nazi Party?
TheBlueTortoise (
talk) 07:39, 28 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Belatedly, I have changed that article, as explained at
Talk:American Nazi Party. I agree that this term is not strictly incorrect, but still do not think it adds clarity. The information is better presented in direct, simple language.
Grayfell (
talk) 01:47, 1 May 2020 (UTC)reply
Publications
I ran a Google search for "How Malcolm X Helped Aryans". Doesn't exist. The only results were three identical Wiki entries with basically the same contents of this article. There isn't even a source for this. Which one of you put that there?
2600:1700:E710:5D20:30E0:A3AE:F616:6819 (
talk) 23:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC)reply
It was added by an anonymous vandal. I've removed it.
Grayfell (
talk) 23:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)reply
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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I had reverted the addition of
Category:Assassinated Nazis, but was
reverted yesterday with the rationale "Ignore all precedents". I don't believe an essay is a valid reason to edit war over a category that doesn't even seem applicable here, as it seems to be used for people who actually worked for and/or collaborated with the actual Nazi party before or during WWII. Pinging @
MagicatthemovieS to discuss. The WordsmithTalk to me 16:39, 10 October 2023 (UTC)reply
The category is for Nazis, not simply Nazis from the 1940s. I think the category fits here, as Rockwell was a Nazi and he was assassinated.
MagicatthemovieS (
talk) 17:27, 10 October 2023 (UTC)reply
Rockwell was a neo-Nazi, not an actual Nazi. There's an important difference. If there was a category/subcategory for that it would be appropriate, but it doesn't seem to fit here. The WordsmithTalk to me 13:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)reply
A neo-Nazi is a Nazi, and Wikipedia says so.
MagicatthemovieS (
talk) 14:30, 11 October 2023 (UTC)MagicatthemovieSreply
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