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Breaking News: Landmark autism study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield was "an elaborate fraud", CNN.
It will be interesting to hear what JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue, has to say about this. This wasn't simple carelessness, but "elaborate fraud". Not only has Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, he should be imprisoned. This probably won't make any difference to those who are involved in the vaccine controversy movement. Facts never do. -- Brangifer ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Secrets of the MMR scare: how the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school. In an accompanying editorial, Fiona Godlee and colleagues say that Andrew Wakefield's (pictured) article linking MMR vaccine and autism was based not on bad science but on a deliberate fraud. In a linked blog, Brian Deer analyses the similarities between the MMR scare and the case of the "Piltdown Man."
Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent
Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed, Part 1
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school.
As defined by Generation Rescue, its mission is to promote autism recovery. This includes promoting autism recovery through therapy and providing resources to autistic individuals and their families. As the organization defines its own parameters, it is improper for this entry to define the organization solely and immediately by vaccine-related issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CopperBeeches ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I've just visited the Generation Rescue website, and they seem to have substantially backed down from the anti-vaccine claims on that site. See
"Resources » Vaccination". Generation Rescue. 2012-05-20.
which appears to me to be either pro-vaccination, or at least neutral on the issue, and says, among other things,
“ | Educate Before You Vaccinate
Generation Rescue is a community of parents and families who have vaccinated their children and now believe in informed consent. When determining how or when to vaccinate a child, we encourage you to take into account your family’s medical history, the environments with which you and your children live, your children’s risks, and what you need to protect against. |
” |
This is a significant difference in tone from previous versions of the site.
However, the putchildrenfirst.org site (quote: "The longer the CDC denies the true cause of the autism epidemic, the less resources we can dedicate to treating our children today."), and to a lesser extent the 14studies.org site (quote: "Where is the truth? Like everything else in life, the devil is in the details."), seem still to be maintaining an anti-vaccine point of view.
I'm not quite sure whether there's any particular significance to this difference in tone between the sites, but it's interesting to see the two sets of sites apparently taking up different positions on this. Of course, this is WP:OR, but it would be interesting to see if any WP:RS have investigated what's going on here, and to see whether any more changes to these sites will be forthcoming.
-- The Anome ( talk) 13:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
This is true, and bloggers have been saying it for years: Generation Rescue originally stated that autism was a misdiagnosis for mercury poisnoning, [1] but after that was disproven, they changed their position to blaming a more vague combination of "an overload of heavy metals, live viruses, and bacteria." That way they won't be able to be disproven as easily. [2] Jinkinson talk to me 02:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, User:Mdann52, please explain this to me. Are there BLP/outing/suppression concerns? We're dealing with a very fringe organization where lots of quacks making HUGE amounts of money would love to pressure us to whitewash the article, and I'd hate to see Wikipedia editors involved in meatpuppetry for them. Maybe there are some other concerns? The article talk page is the place where those concerns should be dealt with, not OTRS. Openness is needed here. There hasn't been any recent discussion on the talk page, so anything else is shortcircuiting our normal editing processes. There needs to be a very good reason for doing that. I am not aware of any higher legitimate reasons for IAR than BLP/outing/suppression concerns, so it should be possible to discuss this on the article's talk page. -- Brangifer ( talk) 03:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
@ Ravensfire: if you think it is inappropriate, change it! The article is not locked down, you have just been asked not to restore the information I have removed. @ BullRangifer: If you wish to pursue WP:DR, that's your choice; I've got to wait on both sides here to see what's going to happen. However, you should be aware that the WMF is also looking into this at the same time as I am, and have also contacted me about this. I've tried to be as transparent as possible; However, I am governed by the Non-public data policy, so I need to be careful about what I can and can't say. -- Mdann 52 talk to me! 07:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
EC Ravensfire, I agree.
This is much more than a content issue, so the content issue should be dealt with separately. The issue here is a gross misuse of the OTRS system to bypass normal editing procedures. It's an establishment of a shadow system controlled by outside forces who are misusing it by getting OTRS volunteers to act as meatpuppets for them. It's a serious breach of policies and the spirit of Wikipedia and a serious threat. OTRS needs to be reigned in and it's function needs to be defined better. You may not be aware of this, but OTRS volunteers are not under the control of the Arbitration Committee! They are a law unto themselves.
At Wikipedia:Volunteer_Response_Team#Disagreeing_with_a_team-related_edit, an RfC is recommended, but that relates to the quality of the edit. While I have some concerns about the quality of parts of the edits, the OTRS volunteer has forbidden editing of the matter, so the more serious matter must be dealt with, and that is the user conduct of the OTRS volunteer.
This is clearly a user conduct issue. I recognize that Mdann52 is, compared to either of us, a newbie, and I AGF that there is no malicious intent, but it's still a serious violation, especially of WP:COI and WP:MEAT, as well as the purpose of OTRS. The actions need to be investigated, commented upon, and a procedure/guideline created to prevent it happening again. WP:RFC/A/ WP:RFC/U is one possibility.
At WP:Volunteer Response Team, we find this statement:
This is not about BLP, "defamation", or "privacy issues". It is about "usual editorial matters", so "normal on-wiki processes" should have been used. Instead, an OTRS volunteer violated that and acted as a meatpuppet, making massive deletions and removal of sources, using only OTRS concerns as their justification. There were no previous concerns or discussion on the talk page, and no attempt to do so. There was no form of collaborative editing. Instead, when the volunteer's Bold deletions were Reverted (by several editors), they started an edit war by repeating the Bold deletions (when BRD turns into BRB..., that second B is the start of an edit war).
Their edit summaries were so ominous and intimidating that I didn't continue that edit warring cycle (instead I left a comment on their talk page), so the article is now parked in the "wrong version". Normally, when BRD is violated, it is acceptable and normal practice to use a limited edit war to force a return to the default version, but without going beyond 3RR. The idea of BRD is to force discussion and prevent edit warring, and discussion needs to occur before changing the default version to anything new.
Also on that page is found this statement:
There are no copyright or BLP matters here, so the "Team members must abide by the policies and guidelines of the individual wikis..." That did not happen here. The team member ignored those policies and guidelines and made direct edits without any form of normal collaboration. They treated the matter as if it had the importance of a BLP matter, including making intimidating comments to me and attempting to keep me from normal editing. I have been civil throughout this and still AGF, but I also feel afraid to make any edits here, and that's not right. Even if we tried to work out the details of the edits made, the fundamental user conduct issue needs to be dealt with. This should never have happened. No editor, even Jimbo or admins, has any more rights than any other editor, and they don't have a right to edit war, with the only exception being BLP. -- Brangifer ( talk) 07:59, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
In the interest of maybe getting something done to reverse this travesty, I thought I'd focus on one specific objection I've got. Generation Rescue believes and supports in a fringe idea - that autism can be caused by vaccinations. This point is still made on their website. The best "support" they had for this view was from Andrew Wakefield's study that has been utterly debunked, completely retracted and considered fraud. But this fine article now only says about GR that "its point of view has been disputed by some of the medical community". By "some of the medical community". Not most. Not damn near all. Not utterly rejected. By some. It used to say "point of view is not shared by the mainstream medical community" which is fairly gentle phrasing for fringe articles. But now we've got OTRS blessing GR's white-washing of the article so we're stuck with "some". Because "some" does describe the medical consensus on this, it just doesn't accurately describe it. Unless, of course, you're a fringe group that wants to push their viewpoint. Ravensfire ( talk) 15:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Article_whitewashed.3B_when_reverted.2C_the_whitewashing_happens_again_as_a_supposedly_official_.22OTRS_action.22_that_must_not_be_reverted_.22without_permission.22 - This is clearly an abuse of power situation. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 16:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
This article in Time has some direct commentary on the subject of the article.
While on the topic of references, what about date standardization? All dates is full numeric? Month DD, Year for date of publication, full numeric for access date? All dates as Month DD, Year? Whatever is chosen it should be consistent. - - MrBill3 ( talk) 07:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
In The New York Times is, "'To our community, Andrew Wakefield is Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ rolled up into one,' says J. B. Handley, co-founder of Generation Rescue, a group that disputes vaccine safety. 'He’s a symbol of how all of us feel.'"
This was considered a relevant and current enough quote to be featured in a March 2014 article on Medical News Today
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help)- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
The rebranding to "Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey's Autism Organization", then "Jenny McCarthy's Generation Rescue" or "Jenny McCarthy's Autism Organization" and some discussion of the organization is in:
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Forbes also discusses McCarthy and Generation Rescue noting, "She remains on the board of directors of Generation Rescue, an organization devoted to the debunked notion that vaccines cause autism and that autistic people can be “recovered” from their autism by way of various unproven and sometimes dangerous interventions, including chelation."
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it of due weight that the founder has bought multiple domain names and redirected them to the organizations website?
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 10:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi all,
I've been asked to pass the attatched along. Thanks, -- Mdann 52 talk to me!
Draft startGeneration Rescue is an autism support and advocacy organization in the United States that is focused on the recovery of children with autism spectrum disorders by providing guidance and support to directly improve the children’s quality of life.[1] Generation Rescue was founded in 2005 by parents Lisa and J.B. Handley. In 2009, Jenny McCarthy became President of the non-profit organization.1 Programs & ServicesGeneration Rescue provides programs and services to support children with autism, as well as their families. The Parent Mentor program, called Rescue Angels,[2] consists of 1,387 parent volunteers in 48 countries who offer advice and feedback to other parents of autism spectrum children. The organization also provides grants for medical treatment to children who are from below-average income families, also referred to as Rescue Family Grants.[3] Generation Rescue operates a hotline to answer questions and give information about resources.[4] Generation Rescue hosts the annual Autism Education Summit Conference[5], bringing together researchers, physicians, therapists and parents from around the country. ControversiesView Autism as a DiseaseGeneration Rescue is an organization that promotes the awareness, treatment, and prevention of underlying and co-morbid medical conditions in autism in order to improve the quality of life of those affected [6]. Some perceive this as offensive, particularly members of advocacy groups that refer to themselves as the neuro-diverse. Position on VaccinesGeneration Rescue families tend to consider vaccination a causal factor in the onset of autism in their children. As such, the organization has been falsely labeled anti-vaccine. Jenny McCarthy, the current president of Generation Rescue, has repeatedly publicly stated she is not anti-vaccine [7].
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Marked as rejected. I am confident this comes from the organisation, presumably through OTRS. The draft is plainly unsuitable per WP:NPOV. Anyone who wants to read through it and see if there is any information that can be used is most welcome, but Wikipedia is not the place to fix the fact that the reality-based community finds this organisation abhorrent. Aside: McCarthy apparently feels the need to state that she is not anti-vaccine, for much the same reason that Nigel Farage has to keep saying that UKIP is not racist. A relentless tide of anti-vaccine statements and support for pretty much every anti-vaccine trope on the planet, will tend to make people think you're anti-vaccine. A bit like people who aren't racist but just happen to tell jokes based on prejudiced racial stereotypes and dress up in a sheet and pointy hood at weekends. Guy ( Help!) 20:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
A short note from a former OTRSer: Mdann52 is not your enemy. OTRS is not your enemy either. OTRS exists to ensure that the project is not sued. Even the worst cranks are entitled to contact us and express concerns (and believe me I have encountered some real cranks through email handling at OTRS). Please don't shoot the messenger, engaging constructively with the subject helps keep Wikipedia honest - even when the subject is Generation Rescue.
Generation Rescue aren't your enemy either. Well, at least not Wikipedia's enemy. They might hate us, but we should treat them with complete impartiality. As we do, right now, by my reading.
Our job is to ensure that the article is robustly sourced and fair. GR do not have to like it, and in fact if they did we would probably be violating policy, but the aim is to ensure that an impartial observer will see that we have been scrupulously fair. I think we should all agree on this. Guy ( Help!) 20:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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I don't dispute that the view has been scientifically disproven
, as mentioned in passing in the opening sentence of this article. But does it belong in the lead, phrased like that, as if the organization acknowledges the fact? —
151.132.206.26 (
talk) 16:17, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
A number of controversial claims by GR were self-sourced. That's a problem because their statements are unreliable (as the article makes clear) so any discussion needs to be from reliable independent sources that give context. GR cannot be a source for the bullshit that GR promote. Guy ( Help!) 08:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
New sources for all:
"Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?" Human & Experimental Toxicology 2011; 30(9): 1420-28
"A population-based cohort study of undervaccination in 8 managed care organizations across United States." JAMA Pediatrics 2013 Mar 1; 167(3): 274-81 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C2:781:3520:58B7:1261:E327:2C9E ( talk) 15:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
"It recommends lollipops enriched with vitamins sold by a company co-founded by Stan Kurtz and owned by Candace McDonald, who have been respectively a President of Generation Rescue and its executive director for ten years. For a time, the lollipops were sold directly through the group's website. A $2,000 foot bath that was promoted by Generation Rescue is sold by a sponsor of the group who contributes a minimum of $25,000 to its operating budget.[6]"
this is an absolutely wrong statement - Footbaths are not linked not any board member. This information is not accurate and is harmful to the reputation of the board members. I have confirmed this information with one of the board members.
Regarding the Lolipops, "RevitaPOP were not sold by Generation Rescue at any time. This is false information and should be removed."
AnahitHovh (
talk) 17:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
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Breaking News: Landmark autism study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield was "an elaborate fraud", CNN.
It will be interesting to hear what JB Handley, founder of Generation Rescue, has to say about this. This wasn't simple carelessness, but "elaborate fraud". Not only has Wakefield lost his license to practice medicine, he should be imprisoned. This probably won't make any difference to those who are involved in the vaccine controversy movement. Facts never do. -- Brangifer ( talk) 23:58, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
Secrets of the MMR scare: how the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school. In an accompanying editorial, Fiona Godlee and colleagues say that Andrew Wakefield's (pictured) article linking MMR vaccine and autism was based not on bad science but on a deliberate fraud. In a linked blog, Brian Deer analyses the similarities between the MMR scare and the case of the "Piltdown Man."
Wakefield’s article linking MMR vaccine and autism was fraudulent
Clear evidence of falsification of data should now close the door on this damaging vaccine scare
How the case against the MMR vaccine was fixed, Part 1
In the first part of a special BMJ series, Brian Deer exposes the bogus data behind claims that launched a worldwide scare over the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccine, and reveals how the appearance of a link with autism was manufactured at a London medical school.
As defined by Generation Rescue, its mission is to promote autism recovery. This includes promoting autism recovery through therapy and providing resources to autistic individuals and their families. As the organization defines its own parameters, it is improper for this entry to define the organization solely and immediately by vaccine-related issues. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CopperBeeches ( talk • contribs) 22:05, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
I've just visited the Generation Rescue website, and they seem to have substantially backed down from the anti-vaccine claims on that site. See
"Resources » Vaccination". Generation Rescue. 2012-05-20.
which appears to me to be either pro-vaccination, or at least neutral on the issue, and says, among other things,
“ | Educate Before You Vaccinate
Generation Rescue is a community of parents and families who have vaccinated their children and now believe in informed consent. When determining how or when to vaccinate a child, we encourage you to take into account your family’s medical history, the environments with which you and your children live, your children’s risks, and what you need to protect against. |
” |
This is a significant difference in tone from previous versions of the site.
However, the putchildrenfirst.org site (quote: "The longer the CDC denies the true cause of the autism epidemic, the less resources we can dedicate to treating our children today."), and to a lesser extent the 14studies.org site (quote: "Where is the truth? Like everything else in life, the devil is in the details."), seem still to be maintaining an anti-vaccine point of view.
I'm not quite sure whether there's any particular significance to this difference in tone between the sites, but it's interesting to see the two sets of sites apparently taking up different positions on this. Of course, this is WP:OR, but it would be interesting to see if any WP:RS have investigated what's going on here, and to see whether any more changes to these sites will be forthcoming.
-- The Anome ( talk) 13:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
This is true, and bloggers have been saying it for years: Generation Rescue originally stated that autism was a misdiagnosis for mercury poisnoning, [1] but after that was disproven, they changed their position to blaming a more vague combination of "an overload of heavy metals, live viruses, and bacteria." That way they won't be able to be disproven as easily. [2] Jinkinson talk to me 02:25, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, User:Mdann52, please explain this to me. Are there BLP/outing/suppression concerns? We're dealing with a very fringe organization where lots of quacks making HUGE amounts of money would love to pressure us to whitewash the article, and I'd hate to see Wikipedia editors involved in meatpuppetry for them. Maybe there are some other concerns? The article talk page is the place where those concerns should be dealt with, not OTRS. Openness is needed here. There hasn't been any recent discussion on the talk page, so anything else is shortcircuiting our normal editing processes. There needs to be a very good reason for doing that. I am not aware of any higher legitimate reasons for IAR than BLP/outing/suppression concerns, so it should be possible to discuss this on the article's talk page. -- Brangifer ( talk) 03:40, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
@ Ravensfire: if you think it is inappropriate, change it! The article is not locked down, you have just been asked not to restore the information I have removed. @ BullRangifer: If you wish to pursue WP:DR, that's your choice; I've got to wait on both sides here to see what's going to happen. However, you should be aware that the WMF is also looking into this at the same time as I am, and have also contacted me about this. I've tried to be as transparent as possible; However, I am governed by the Non-public data policy, so I need to be careful about what I can and can't say. -- Mdann 52 talk to me! 07:21, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
EC Ravensfire, I agree.
This is much more than a content issue, so the content issue should be dealt with separately. The issue here is a gross misuse of the OTRS system to bypass normal editing procedures. It's an establishment of a shadow system controlled by outside forces who are misusing it by getting OTRS volunteers to act as meatpuppets for them. It's a serious breach of policies and the spirit of Wikipedia and a serious threat. OTRS needs to be reigned in and it's function needs to be defined better. You may not be aware of this, but OTRS volunteers are not under the control of the Arbitration Committee! They are a law unto themselves.
At Wikipedia:Volunteer_Response_Team#Disagreeing_with_a_team-related_edit, an RfC is recommended, but that relates to the quality of the edit. While I have some concerns about the quality of parts of the edits, the OTRS volunteer has forbidden editing of the matter, so the more serious matter must be dealt with, and that is the user conduct of the OTRS volunteer.
This is clearly a user conduct issue. I recognize that Mdann52 is, compared to either of us, a newbie, and I AGF that there is no malicious intent, but it's still a serious violation, especially of WP:COI and WP:MEAT, as well as the purpose of OTRS. The actions need to be investigated, commented upon, and a procedure/guideline created to prevent it happening again. WP:RFC/A/ WP:RFC/U is one possibility.
At WP:Volunteer Response Team, we find this statement:
This is not about BLP, "defamation", or "privacy issues". It is about "usual editorial matters", so "normal on-wiki processes" should have been used. Instead, an OTRS volunteer violated that and acted as a meatpuppet, making massive deletions and removal of sources, using only OTRS concerns as their justification. There were no previous concerns or discussion on the talk page, and no attempt to do so. There was no form of collaborative editing. Instead, when the volunteer's Bold deletions were Reverted (by several editors), they started an edit war by repeating the Bold deletions (when BRD turns into BRB..., that second B is the start of an edit war).
Their edit summaries were so ominous and intimidating that I didn't continue that edit warring cycle (instead I left a comment on their talk page), so the article is now parked in the "wrong version". Normally, when BRD is violated, it is acceptable and normal practice to use a limited edit war to force a return to the default version, but without going beyond 3RR. The idea of BRD is to force discussion and prevent edit warring, and discussion needs to occur before changing the default version to anything new.
Also on that page is found this statement:
There are no copyright or BLP matters here, so the "Team members must abide by the policies and guidelines of the individual wikis..." That did not happen here. The team member ignored those policies and guidelines and made direct edits without any form of normal collaboration. They treated the matter as if it had the importance of a BLP matter, including making intimidating comments to me and attempting to keep me from normal editing. I have been civil throughout this and still AGF, but I also feel afraid to make any edits here, and that's not right. Even if we tried to work out the details of the edits made, the fundamental user conduct issue needs to be dealt with. This should never have happened. No editor, even Jimbo or admins, has any more rights than any other editor, and they don't have a right to edit war, with the only exception being BLP. -- Brangifer ( talk) 07:59, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
In the interest of maybe getting something done to reverse this travesty, I thought I'd focus on one specific objection I've got. Generation Rescue believes and supports in a fringe idea - that autism can be caused by vaccinations. This point is still made on their website. The best "support" they had for this view was from Andrew Wakefield's study that has been utterly debunked, completely retracted and considered fraud. But this fine article now only says about GR that "its point of view has been disputed by some of the medical community". By "some of the medical community". Not most. Not damn near all. Not utterly rejected. By some. It used to say "point of view is not shared by the mainstream medical community" which is fairly gentle phrasing for fringe articles. But now we've got OTRS blessing GR's white-washing of the article so we're stuck with "some". Because "some" does describe the medical consensus on this, it just doesn't accurately describe it. Unless, of course, you're a fringe group that wants to push their viewpoint. Ravensfire ( talk) 15:20, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Article_whitewashed.3B_when_reverted.2C_the_whitewashing_happens_again_as_a_supposedly_official_.22OTRS_action.22_that_must_not_be_reverted_.22without_permission.22 - This is clearly an abuse of power situation. Adam Cuerden ( talk) 16:26, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
This article in Time has some direct commentary on the subject of the article.
While on the topic of references, what about date standardization? All dates is full numeric? Month DD, Year for date of publication, full numeric for access date? All dates as Month DD, Year? Whatever is chosen it should be consistent. - - MrBill3 ( talk) 07:32, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
In The New York Times is, "'To our community, Andrew Wakefield is Nelson Mandela and Jesus Christ rolled up into one,' says J. B. Handley, co-founder of Generation Rescue, a group that disputes vaccine safety. 'He’s a symbol of how all of us feel.'"
This was considered a relevant and current enough quote to be featured in a March 2014 article on Medical News Today
{{
cite web}}
: Missing pipe in: |publisher=
(
help)- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
The rebranding to "Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey's Autism Organization", then "Jenny McCarthy's Generation Rescue" or "Jenny McCarthy's Autism Organization" and some discussion of the organization is in:
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:47, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Forbes also discusses McCarthy and Generation Rescue noting, "She remains on the board of directors of Generation Rescue, an organization devoted to the debunked notion that vaccines cause autism and that autistic people can be “recovered” from their autism by way of various unproven and sometimes dangerous interventions, including chelation."
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 08:34, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Is it of due weight that the founder has bought multiple domain names and redirected them to the organizations website?
- - MrBill3 ( talk) 10:56, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Hi all,
I've been asked to pass the attatched along. Thanks, -- Mdann 52 talk to me!
Draft startGeneration Rescue is an autism support and advocacy organization in the United States that is focused on the recovery of children with autism spectrum disorders by providing guidance and support to directly improve the children’s quality of life.[1] Generation Rescue was founded in 2005 by parents Lisa and J.B. Handley. In 2009, Jenny McCarthy became President of the non-profit organization.1 Programs & ServicesGeneration Rescue provides programs and services to support children with autism, as well as their families. The Parent Mentor program, called Rescue Angels,[2] consists of 1,387 parent volunteers in 48 countries who offer advice and feedback to other parents of autism spectrum children. The organization also provides grants for medical treatment to children who are from below-average income families, also referred to as Rescue Family Grants.[3] Generation Rescue operates a hotline to answer questions and give information about resources.[4] Generation Rescue hosts the annual Autism Education Summit Conference[5], bringing together researchers, physicians, therapists and parents from around the country. ControversiesView Autism as a DiseaseGeneration Rescue is an organization that promotes the awareness, treatment, and prevention of underlying and co-morbid medical conditions in autism in order to improve the quality of life of those affected [6]. Some perceive this as offensive, particularly members of advocacy groups that refer to themselves as the neuro-diverse. Position on VaccinesGeneration Rescue families tend to consider vaccination a causal factor in the onset of autism in their children. As such, the organization has been falsely labeled anti-vaccine. Jenny McCarthy, the current president of Generation Rescue, has repeatedly publicly stated she is not anti-vaccine [7].
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Marked as rejected. I am confident this comes from the organisation, presumably through OTRS. The draft is plainly unsuitable per WP:NPOV. Anyone who wants to read through it and see if there is any information that can be used is most welcome, but Wikipedia is not the place to fix the fact that the reality-based community finds this organisation abhorrent. Aside: McCarthy apparently feels the need to state that she is not anti-vaccine, for much the same reason that Nigel Farage has to keep saying that UKIP is not racist. A relentless tide of anti-vaccine statements and support for pretty much every anti-vaccine trope on the planet, will tend to make people think you're anti-vaccine. A bit like people who aren't racist but just happen to tell jokes based on prejudiced racial stereotypes and dress up in a sheet and pointy hood at weekends. Guy ( Help!) 20:28, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
A short note from a former OTRSer: Mdann52 is not your enemy. OTRS is not your enemy either. OTRS exists to ensure that the project is not sued. Even the worst cranks are entitled to contact us and express concerns (and believe me I have encountered some real cranks through email handling at OTRS). Please don't shoot the messenger, engaging constructively with the subject helps keep Wikipedia honest - even when the subject is Generation Rescue.
Generation Rescue aren't your enemy either. Well, at least not Wikipedia's enemy. They might hate us, but we should treat them with complete impartiality. As we do, right now, by my reading.
Our job is to ensure that the article is robustly sourced and fair. GR do not have to like it, and in fact if they did we would probably be violating policy, but the aim is to ensure that an impartial observer will see that we have been scrupulously fair. I think we should all agree on this. Guy ( Help!) 20:56, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
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I don't dispute that the view has been scientifically disproven
, as mentioned in passing in the opening sentence of this article. But does it belong in the lead, phrased like that, as if the organization acknowledges the fact? —
151.132.206.26 (
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A number of controversial claims by GR were self-sourced. That's a problem because their statements are unreliable (as the article makes clear) so any discussion needs to be from reliable independent sources that give context. GR cannot be a source for the bullshit that GR promote. Guy ( Help!) 08:48, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
New sources for all:
"Infant mortality rates regressed against number of vaccine doses routinely given: is there a biochemical or synergistic toxicity?" Human & Experimental Toxicology 2011; 30(9): 1420-28
"A population-based cohort study of undervaccination in 8 managed care organizations across United States." JAMA Pediatrics 2013 Mar 1; 167(3): 274-81 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C2:781:3520:58B7:1261:E327:2C9E ( talk) 15:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
"It recommends lollipops enriched with vitamins sold by a company co-founded by Stan Kurtz and owned by Candace McDonald, who have been respectively a President of Generation Rescue and its executive director for ten years. For a time, the lollipops were sold directly through the group's website. A $2,000 foot bath that was promoted by Generation Rescue is sold by a sponsor of the group who contributes a minimum of $25,000 to its operating budget.[6]"
this is an absolutely wrong statement - Footbaths are not linked not any board member. This information is not accurate and is harmful to the reputation of the board members. I have confirmed this information with one of the board members.
Regarding the Lolipops, "RevitaPOP were not sold by Generation Rescue at any time. This is false information and should be removed."
AnahitHovh (
talk) 17:22, 3 October 2023 (UTC)