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I have removed the following sentences (and corresponding references) from the "Evolutionary Process" section as it gives the false impression that metaphysics is somehow "over" in analytic philosophy and philosophy in general, arguably glossing over and/or ignoring the work done in the past few decades done by Kripke, Putnam, Lewis, Armstrong and many others. They read:
The issue of "son of God" or "Son of God" is barely relevant to the article, but since Jeffro has raised it again, and the issues do have some circumstantial relationship to the article, I'll make a second brief response here. I trust Jeffro would not argue that "Jesus Christ, son of God" must be correct. In 99% of uses, son is appositional, an atheist describing Christian belief would write, "Jesus Christ, [the] Son of God". It would be possible, though I'd love to see a source attesting it, to say "Jesus Christ, son of God", just as one might say "Adam, son of God" or "David, son of God". Here the intent is "Adam, [a] son of God", the lower case is shorthand for a non-unique representative of a class (I believe Discourse Representation Theory suggests an implicit quantifier is introduced along with a new discourse variable in such constructions). In the same way, the capital is merely shorthand for the definite article in the case of Jesus, who some contend is the unique Son of God (while also being truly a son of God simultaneously). One thing that decieves people in cases like this is English possessive constructions. In Greek and Hebrew (the languages on which theories about Jesus are ultimately dependent), there are different ways of forming the constructions, which make the issue easier to see. Hebrew (typical of Semitic languages generally) uses a construct state in which a chain of modifiers precede a noun in the absolute state. Long chains are possible—"the children of the wives of the advisors of the king" (the last is absolute, the modifiers are construct). Where the absolute noun is definite, the whole chain is definite. B'n Elohim or the Son of God is definite because Elohim God is definite. Circumlocutions make it possible to avoid the implication of definiteness if required. Greek has multiple ways of saying "Son of God" again with different nuances of definiteness—ho tou theou quios (literally, the of-God Son) is a very natural Greek construction, it would use an indefinite particle were it to wish to avoid definiteness in regard to such statements.
I'd be very interested if Jeffro could provide some sources that show usage of Jesus being describe as "son of God" with a lower case "s". Otherwise, whatever he is suggesting regarding English syntax, might be true and I'm just missing his point, but is not particularly relevant, because it is hypothetical. Sources secular or devotional all use the capital, so even if I agreed with Jeffro, we'd be best off dropping it, because no consensus would form in opposition to the strong precedent of sources. What do you say Jeffro? Let sleeping dogs lie? Alastair Haines ( talk) 01:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The Bible states (using theism) that God created man in his image, this man being exactly that: a man, only after the men was asleep and a rib was removed was a woman created. Since god created a woman for the man and man was created first, God must be a man, since he created the first being in his image.-- 72.74.114.109 ( talk) 03:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have any input on the JCI issues. However, I did notice that the "Polytheism" section sort of describes a form of pantheism. In a nutshell, Polytheism is the belief in many distinct gods, of various genders (including neutral or hermaphroditic - the Norse Loki does gender switching IIRC). They may or may not source from (or really be part of) one older god. Pantheism is the belief that many gods are worshiped separately, but are actually all one. (The reason I haven't stuffed this into the article is that I haven't gone and dug up sources yet.)
But the polytheistic stuff seems somewhat out of place here. Polytheists don't have to ask what gender Thor is, or Diana, or Artemis. Do the non-JCI religions even belong here, or is the article really about "The gender of God in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions"?
-- RavanAsteris ( talk) 02:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know I reopened a can of worms, but the way the article reads the non-JCI sections are just after-thoughts or bolt-ons.
-- RavanAsteris ( talk) 03:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, all. Just wanted to point out that in the (bestselling?) book, "The Shack", God appears as a woman for most of the book (despite the name "Papa"). Shall I add that to the "Pop Culture" section? Or is a novel not considered Pop Culture? Bpenguin17 ( talk) 22:32, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
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the AHD's indo european roots appendix states that the root for God is Gheu (ə) -. The root means: To call, invoke. I find it interesting that the other english word from this root is "giddy", as in insane or possessed. So god may be considered more of a verb than a noun, and genderless. hey, its not my research. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have an article about the gender of an imaginary being, where gender is not a relevant concept anyway? 51kwad ( talk) 12:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Even if you're right about God being imaginary, WP has numerous articles about imaginary beings, including Mickey Mouse. Would you like to get rid of all of those articles? As for the relevance of concepts of gender to God, that is a topic of serious discussion among people who write about God, as well as those who worship God. Kalidasa 777 ( talk) 07:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Is this topic still in discussion? God created male and female within material creation for the purpose of reproduction. Because humans are social beings sex and gender have relationship and social aspects for us. But since God is Spirit there is no need for gender. The use of He in referring to God is a condition of human language. "It" would be inappropriate. In Judaism and Christianity (O.T. and N.T.) God is sometimes called Father as an indication of a profoundly intimate and caring concern for us and our lives. God is above gender.-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 20:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
To give a more NPOV this is true only in monotheistic religions--and the article as it stands says this. I think what is frustrating for many women today is that men tend to assume that God is male like them, feel threatened by the idea that God is not male like a human male and shut out any spiritual insights women might have. Jesus listened to women and responded to them (See the Marriage at Cana, Mary and Martha, Mary Magdalene as the first witness to the Resurrection). It's something the early Christian church accepted at first, then soon began to abandon. Why can't men follow Jesus? (I wish I didn't have to express this POV, but men often express a purely masculine POV and eliminate any insights women can contribute.)-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 01:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see some examples and citations to flesh out this potentially interesting point. Sadly, I'm not the person to add this information, but as an interested reader, I'd say it lacks clarity and credibility in it's current state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cspooner ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
This website aims to show that the Catholic Church and the Islam are heresies. Therefore it is not a reliable source anyway one would look at it. It is a highly polemic source instead of being academically descriptive. I have reverted edits based upon carm.org propaganda. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 22:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
In the article, in the section, "In the Hebrew and Christian Bible" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God#In_the_Hebrew_and_Christian_Bible), the claim is made that Elohim was male and female, and they made man in their image.
On the contrary, nowhere in Genesis is a female identity assigned to YHWH the Father, or to Ha Mashiach the son. In addition, if there was any doubt about the gender of the son, (because we can easily confirm the gender of the Father), we can check John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and the Word was Elohim. The same [Word] was in the beginning with YHWH." This shows that this "Word" (the second entity in Elohim, also known as the Messiah) was the same individual who was conversing with the Father in Genesis 1:26-27, since it says clearly that "The same was in the beginning with YHWH".
And what gender was this "Word", that was with the Father during the creation? We can continue reading at John 1:3-4: "All things were made by HIM, and without HIM was not anything made that was made. In HIM was life, and the life was the light of all men."
I have taken the liberty to remove the false statement that Genesis 1:26-27 speak of a female Messiah who was with the Father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.15.18 ( talk) 18:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Your words, images and ideas are not suppressed, simply not being promulgated on the website of a private charity. You are free to post your words, images and ideas on your own website, blog, newspaper, podcast, tshirt, bumper sticker or other form of free speech. There is a handy essay here, WP:Alternative outlets. Perhaps your website will be of such quality that millions will turn to it for information. There are quite a few places to start a blog free of charge....
Quoted by Tgeorgescu ( talk) 21:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I hope to be of some assistance in resolving the issue flagged on the 3O page. I have very limited familiarity with biblical scholarship, so I hope I can bring a relatively unbiased voice to the discussion. As I understand it, the question is whether there is a female component implied/embedded in the word "Elohim". Is that correct? If so, are there any WP:RS's which indicate this to be the case? Cheers, Blippy ( talk) 05:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah - I just saw that Nomnompuffs has had a ban imposed, so that probably explains the lack of response. I'll keep an eye out over the next few days. Cheers, Blippy ( talk) 07:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
There was a sharp break between ancient Israelite religion and the Judaism of the Second Temple. [1] Pre-exilic Israel was polytheistic; [2] Asherah was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, within his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria, and a goddess called the Queen of Heaven, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar, was also worshiped. [3] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period, but were considered irreconcilable after the 9th century. [4] The worship of Yahweh alone, the concern of a small party in the monarchic period, only gained ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period, [2] and it was only then that the very existence of other gods was denied. [5]
Copy/paste from Second Temple Judaism. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Genesis 1:26-27 says that the elohim were male and female,[2] and humans were made in their image.[4]
It seems almost certain that the God of the Jews evolved gradually from the Canaanite El, who was in all likelihood the "God of Abraham"... If El was the high God of Abraham—Elohim, the prototype of Yahveh—Asherah was his wife, and there are archaeological indications that she was perceived as such before she was in effect "divorced" in the context of emerging Judaism of the 7th century BCE. (See 2 Kings 23:15.) [6]
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I made an edit here for the lead to begin:
This was on the basis that the lead continues:
And that a whole section is dedicated to: Gender_of_God#Hinduism within which there are many gods.
The edit was reverted by Jheald on the claim that "this article is specifically about monotheistic conceptions of God" which is not the case in regard to Hinduism. Is there a route to clarification?
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Dear Editors this part is totally incorrect , God (Allah) is genderless and the reference to Him as He, is just the nature of Arabic, we refer to the moon as He and the sun as She, etc. the pronoun "Hiya" is not mentioned in Sura Ikhlas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abu aamir ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
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About the gender of God. I was looking at something else on the internet and I came across this topic that whoever is in charge of Wikipedia is wrong! God is not a female he was never a mother! Deuteronomy 32:18 says of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful and have forgotten the God who fathered you. That's what Deuteronomy 32:18 says! It does not say he is as a mother in that verse according to the words of Wikipedia! I have studied the Bible since 2006 and I continue to study it twice daily, every day and I have been a Christian for 18 years and I attend my church on a regular basis, but God was never a mother he is always a father, a male not a female! Just thought I clear that up for everybody! So do not mistaken God as a female or as a mother he is all three Trinities of the person within him; in other words he is God the Father, he is Jesus Christ as Son, and is the Holy Spirit all in one person! But he was never a mother or even acted as a mother! He is all male through and through! 73.177.183.196 ( talk) 14:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
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I have removed the following sentences (and corresponding references) from the "Evolutionary Process" section as it gives the false impression that metaphysics is somehow "over" in analytic philosophy and philosophy in general, arguably glossing over and/or ignoring the work done in the past few decades done by Kripke, Putnam, Lewis, Armstrong and many others. They read:
The issue of "son of God" or "Son of God" is barely relevant to the article, but since Jeffro has raised it again, and the issues do have some circumstantial relationship to the article, I'll make a second brief response here. I trust Jeffro would not argue that "Jesus Christ, son of God" must be correct. In 99% of uses, son is appositional, an atheist describing Christian belief would write, "Jesus Christ, [the] Son of God". It would be possible, though I'd love to see a source attesting it, to say "Jesus Christ, son of God", just as one might say "Adam, son of God" or "David, son of God". Here the intent is "Adam, [a] son of God", the lower case is shorthand for a non-unique representative of a class (I believe Discourse Representation Theory suggests an implicit quantifier is introduced along with a new discourse variable in such constructions). In the same way, the capital is merely shorthand for the definite article in the case of Jesus, who some contend is the unique Son of God (while also being truly a son of God simultaneously). One thing that decieves people in cases like this is English possessive constructions. In Greek and Hebrew (the languages on which theories about Jesus are ultimately dependent), there are different ways of forming the constructions, which make the issue easier to see. Hebrew (typical of Semitic languages generally) uses a construct state in which a chain of modifiers precede a noun in the absolute state. Long chains are possible—"the children of the wives of the advisors of the king" (the last is absolute, the modifiers are construct). Where the absolute noun is definite, the whole chain is definite. B'n Elohim or the Son of God is definite because Elohim God is definite. Circumlocutions make it possible to avoid the implication of definiteness if required. Greek has multiple ways of saying "Son of God" again with different nuances of definiteness—ho tou theou quios (literally, the of-God Son) is a very natural Greek construction, it would use an indefinite particle were it to wish to avoid definiteness in regard to such statements.
I'd be very interested if Jeffro could provide some sources that show usage of Jesus being describe as "son of God" with a lower case "s". Otherwise, whatever he is suggesting regarding English syntax, might be true and I'm just missing his point, but is not particularly relevant, because it is hypothetical. Sources secular or devotional all use the capital, so even if I agreed with Jeffro, we'd be best off dropping it, because no consensus would form in opposition to the strong precedent of sources. What do you say Jeffro? Let sleeping dogs lie? Alastair Haines ( talk) 01:46, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
The Bible states (using theism) that God created man in his image, this man being exactly that: a man, only after the men was asleep and a rib was removed was a woman created. Since god created a woman for the man and man was created first, God must be a man, since he created the first being in his image.-- 72.74.114.109 ( talk) 03:12, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
I don't really have any input on the JCI issues. However, I did notice that the "Polytheism" section sort of describes a form of pantheism. In a nutshell, Polytheism is the belief in many distinct gods, of various genders (including neutral or hermaphroditic - the Norse Loki does gender switching IIRC). They may or may not source from (or really be part of) one older god. Pantheism is the belief that many gods are worshiped separately, but are actually all one. (The reason I haven't stuffed this into the article is that I haven't gone and dug up sources yet.)
But the polytheistic stuff seems somewhat out of place here. Polytheists don't have to ask what gender Thor is, or Diana, or Artemis. Do the non-JCI religions even belong here, or is the article really about "The gender of God in the Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions"?
-- RavanAsteris ( talk) 02:55, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I know I reopened a can of worms, but the way the article reads the non-JCI sections are just after-thoughts or bolt-ons.
-- RavanAsteris ( talk) 03:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
Hello, all. Just wanted to point out that in the (bestselling?) book, "The Shack", God appears as a woman for most of the book (despite the name "Papa"). Shall I add that to the "Pop Culture" section? Or is a novel not considered Pop Culture? Bpenguin17 ( talk) 22:32, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Gender of God's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "britannica":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 23:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)
the AHD's indo european roots appendix states that the root for God is Gheu (ə) -. The root means: To call, invoke. I find it interesting that the other english word from this root is "giddy", as in insane or possessed. So god may be considered more of a verb than a noun, and genderless. hey, its not my research. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:57, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have an article about the gender of an imaginary being, where gender is not a relevant concept anyway? 51kwad ( talk) 12:09, 24 January 2011 (UTC)
Even if you're right about God being imaginary, WP has numerous articles about imaginary beings, including Mickey Mouse. Would you like to get rid of all of those articles? As for the relevance of concepts of gender to God, that is a topic of serious discussion among people who write about God, as well as those who worship God. Kalidasa 777 ( talk) 07:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Is this topic still in discussion? God created male and female within material creation for the purpose of reproduction. Because humans are social beings sex and gender have relationship and social aspects for us. But since God is Spirit there is no need for gender. The use of He in referring to God is a condition of human language. "It" would be inappropriate. In Judaism and Christianity (O.T. and N.T.) God is sometimes called Father as an indication of a profoundly intimate and caring concern for us and our lives. God is above gender.-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 20:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
To give a more NPOV this is true only in monotheistic religions--and the article as it stands says this. I think what is frustrating for many women today is that men tend to assume that God is male like them, feel threatened by the idea that God is not male like a human male and shut out any spiritual insights women might have. Jesus listened to women and responded to them (See the Marriage at Cana, Mary and Martha, Mary Magdalene as the first witness to the Resurrection). It's something the early Christian church accepted at first, then soon began to abandon. Why can't men follow Jesus? (I wish I didn't have to express this POV, but men often express a purely masculine POV and eliminate any insights women can contribute.)-- Margaret9mary ( talk) 01:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I would like to see some examples and citations to flesh out this potentially interesting point. Sadly, I'm not the person to add this information, but as an interested reader, I'd say it lacks clarity and credibility in it's current state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cspooner ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
This website aims to show that the Catholic Church and the Islam are heresies. Therefore it is not a reliable source anyway one would look at it. It is a highly polemic source instead of being academically descriptive. I have reverted edits based upon carm.org propaganda. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 22:39, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
In the article, in the section, "In the Hebrew and Christian Bible" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_God#In_the_Hebrew_and_Christian_Bible), the claim is made that Elohim was male and female, and they made man in their image.
On the contrary, nowhere in Genesis is a female identity assigned to YHWH the Father, or to Ha Mashiach the son. In addition, if there was any doubt about the gender of the son, (because we can easily confirm the gender of the Father), we can check John 1:1-4:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with YHWH, and the Word was Elohim. The same [Word] was in the beginning with YHWH." This shows that this "Word" (the second entity in Elohim, also known as the Messiah) was the same individual who was conversing with the Father in Genesis 1:26-27, since it says clearly that "The same was in the beginning with YHWH".
And what gender was this "Word", that was with the Father during the creation? We can continue reading at John 1:3-4: "All things were made by HIM, and without HIM was not anything made that was made. In HIM was life, and the life was the light of all men."
I have taken the liberty to remove the false statement that Genesis 1:26-27 speak of a female Messiah who was with the Father. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.59.15.18 ( talk) 18:27, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Your words, images and ideas are not suppressed, simply not being promulgated on the website of a private charity. You are free to post your words, images and ideas on your own website, blog, newspaper, podcast, tshirt, bumper sticker or other form of free speech. There is a handy essay here, WP:Alternative outlets. Perhaps your website will be of such quality that millions will turn to it for information. There are quite a few places to start a blog free of charge....
Quoted by Tgeorgescu ( talk) 21:32, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi, I hope to be of some assistance in resolving the issue flagged on the 3O page. I have very limited familiarity with biblical scholarship, so I hope I can bring a relatively unbiased voice to the discussion. As I understand it, the question is whether there is a female component implied/embedded in the word "Elohim". Is that correct? If so, are there any WP:RS's which indicate this to be the case? Cheers, Blippy ( talk) 05:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Ah - I just saw that Nomnompuffs has had a ban imposed, so that probably explains the lack of response. I'll keep an eye out over the next few days. Cheers, Blippy ( talk) 07:37, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
There was a sharp break between ancient Israelite religion and the Judaism of the Second Temple. [1] Pre-exilic Israel was polytheistic; [2] Asherah was probably worshiped as Yahweh's consort, within his temples in Jerusalem, Bethel, and Samaria, and a goddess called the Queen of Heaven, probably a fusion of Astarte and the Mesopotamian goddess Ishtar, was also worshiped. [3] Baal and Yahweh coexisted in the early period, but were considered irreconcilable after the 9th century. [4] The worship of Yahweh alone, the concern of a small party in the monarchic period, only gained ascendancy in the exilic and early post-exilic period, [2] and it was only then that the very existence of other gods was denied. [5]
Copy/paste from Second Temple Judaism. Tgeorgescu ( talk) 00:08, 19 July 2019 (UTC)
Genesis 1:26-27 says that the elohim were male and female,[2] and humans were made in their image.[4]
It seems almost certain that the God of the Jews evolved gradually from the Canaanite El, who was in all likelihood the "God of Abraham"... If El was the high God of Abraham—Elohim, the prototype of Yahveh—Asherah was his wife, and there are archaeological indications that she was perceived as such before she was in effect "divorced" in the context of emerging Judaism of the 7th century BCE. (See 2 Kings 23:15.) [6]
References
I made an edit here for the lead to begin:
This was on the basis that the lead continues:
And that a whole section is dedicated to: Gender_of_God#Hinduism within which there are many gods.
The edit was reverted by Jheald on the claim that "this article is specifically about monotheistic conceptions of God" which is not the case in regard to Hinduism. Is there a route to clarification?
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Dear Editors this part is totally incorrect , God (Allah) is genderless and the reference to Him as He, is just the nature of Arabic, we refer to the moon as He and the sun as She, etc. the pronoun "Hiya" is not mentioned in Sura Ikhlas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abu aamir ( talk • contribs) 10:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)
Women 2600:8803:C203:400:2D55:40C5:97C2:7E34 ( talk) 00:01, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Gender of God is 2401:4900:3B20:C612:EA08:3DA2:8157:1657 ( talk) 15:39, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2024 and 28 April 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Marsbell ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Zisha68 ( talk) 02:33, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
About the gender of God. I was looking at something else on the internet and I came across this topic that whoever is in charge of Wikipedia is wrong! God is not a female he was never a mother! Deuteronomy 32:18 says of the Rock who begot you, you are unmindful and have forgotten the God who fathered you. That's what Deuteronomy 32:18 says! It does not say he is as a mother in that verse according to the words of Wikipedia! I have studied the Bible since 2006 and I continue to study it twice daily, every day and I have been a Christian for 18 years and I attend my church on a regular basis, but God was never a mother he is always a father, a male not a female! Just thought I clear that up for everybody! So do not mistaken God as a female or as a mother he is all three Trinities of the person within him; in other words he is God the Father, he is Jesus Christ as Son, and is the Holy Spirit all in one person! But he was never a mother or even acted as a mother! He is all male through and through! 73.177.183.196 ( talk) 14:56, 27 April 2024 (UTC)