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@ Factcheckerina: You cannot remove over half of an article without discussing and justifying your changes. Many were grossly inaccurate, almost like you are one of his followers. You are going to get this article locked. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 04:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
To begin, Wilson's article was recommended for retraction, there was a national article written about it by a reliable source. You cannot just delete it because you don't like it. Then you stated Wilson "later won" the website? He did not. I have no idea what that is referring to and you provided no source. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 04:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC) @ Factchekerina continues to delete content they do not like without engaging in talk, including reliable sources. User may need to be blocked for malicious editing. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 14:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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There is a huge history of his Karezza devotee. Is this worth a separate section? For example:
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Karezza is not a cult since it's not "one church, one faith, one leader". It's a loose network of like-minded people. tgeorgescu ( talk) 15:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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Candidate alt image https://www.covenanteyes.com/lemonade/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Gary-Wilson.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
More NeuroSex socking. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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@ Factcheckerina: claims that Wilson taught biology at Southern Oregon University. Of course, Wilson had no college degree whatsoever, so this is not possible. The source is, obviously, not reliable. This should be removed as it fails the Sagan standard that a random citizen should somehow be a college professor. This simply would never happen, and did not with Gary Wilson. The source for the fact he taught at Southern Oregon University is TIME magazine. https://time.com/magazine/us/4277492/april-11th-2016-vol-187-no-13-u-s/ This is a reliable source. Factcheckerina ( talk) 14:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
He was in national news repeatedly for promoting "karezza". Request add. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/karezza-lovemaking-orgasm-strengthens-marriages-advocates/story?id=16743124 http://abcnewsradioonline.com/health-news/can-sex-without-orgasm-bolster-marriages.html https://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/from_kosher_sex_to_love_maps_5_tips_for_keeping_your_sex_life_hot/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (Redacted) 00:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Such claim is WP:Verifiable in multiple WP:RS. So, it is an objective historical fact about Wilson.
This is what biased
means: Wikipedia is biased for real historical facts.
Besides, the couple had the website https://reuniting.info , where they pleaded against orgasm in full detail. So, this isn't something made up by the mainstream press. Still available at https://archive.org .
And they had articles (meanwhile deleted) at https://psychologytoday.com . tgeorgescu ( talk) 11:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
If you wonder what this article has to do with WP:ARBGENDER: Wilson re-baptized "pray the gay away" into "pray the porn away". Conversion therapy got a brand new and improved name. You see, since conversion therapy became widely condemned, it can only be offered under the guise of porn addiction therapy. tgeorgescu ( talk) 17:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
the sentence 'The purported science behind NoFap's activities is said to come from Wilson,according to historian Brian M. Watson, who, "with no scientific training or background ...has made a career peddling pseudoscience." is biased. if you read the ybop page, it's far from pseudoscience, it's a collection with pages and pages of psychological research by reputable sources. i do not think it fair that one historian who seems to be writing with a certain political motive is quoted with such an ad hominem here. Koenvani ( talk) 17:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koenvani ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Saying that "Wikipedia is biased" or that "Wikipedia fails to follow its own neutral point of view rules" is not a set of magic words that will cause Wikipedia to accept your favorite conspiracy theory, urban myth, pseudoscience, alternative medicine or fringe theory.Quoted from WP:GOODBIAS.
In the TGPE video, Wilson states that internet porn use is associated with various clinical disorders including ADHD, depression, social anxiety and OCD. He opposes the prescription of medications to treat these disorders and states, "Guys don’t realize that they can overcome these symptoms simply by changing their behaviour [masturbation to internet porn]." As someone trained in psychology, I find this extremely problematic and entirely unethical.
— Dr. Jason Winters
Just for reference: a recent academic book chapter by Lucas Gottzén analyzes Wilson's writing [1] Some of Wilson's claims are discussed here: [2] A sympathetic (gasp!) commentary is found here: [3] --Animalparty! ( talk) 03:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
As Albert Einstein said, “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”That frames Wilson as the great mind and the American Psychiatric Association as the violent opposition of mediocre minds. Yup, in March 2022 DSM-5-TR gave the lie to Wilson's "preponderance of evidence" claim. Saying this because Wikipedia is biased for WP:PSCI, while the Mormon church is biased against WP:PSCI, at least upon the issue of porn addiction. tgeorgescu ( talk) 06:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
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How do we know it was Wilson who committed suicide Jm33746 ( talk) 12:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Jm33746: He was not a scientific researcher, he published only one paper, in a low-reputation journal, and the paper got lambasted on several issues by those in the know. tgeorgescu ( talk) 14:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
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@ Factcheckerina: You cannot remove over half of an article without discussing and justifying your changes. Many were grossly inaccurate, almost like you are one of his followers. You are going to get this article locked. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 04:46, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
To begin, Wilson's article was recommended for retraction, there was a national article written about it by a reliable source. You cannot just delete it because you don't like it. Then you stated Wilson "later won" the website? He did not. I have no idea what that is referring to and you provided no source. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 04:49, 14 June 2022 (UTC) @ Factchekerina continues to delete content they do not like without engaging in talk, including reliable sources. User may need to be blocked for malicious editing. Potatochipsegs-zs8-1judo ( talk) 14:45, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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More socking. -- Tamzin cetacean needed (she/they) 20:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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There is a huge history of his Karezza devotee. Is this worth a separate section? For example:
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Karezza is not a cult since it's not "one church, one faith, one leader". It's a loose network of like-minded people. tgeorgescu ( talk) 15:44, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
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Candidate alt image https://www.covenanteyes.com/lemonade/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Gary-Wilson.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by GAVERushaMiciNGSlANG ( talk • contribs) 16:20, 14 June 2022 (UTC)
More NeuroSex socking. — Jéské Couriano v^_^v a little blue Bori 22:34, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
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@ Factcheckerina: claims that Wilson taught biology at Southern Oregon University. Of course, Wilson had no college degree whatsoever, so this is not possible. The source is, obviously, not reliable. This should be removed as it fails the Sagan standard that a random citizen should somehow be a college professor. This simply would never happen, and did not with Gary Wilson. The source for the fact he taught at Southern Oregon University is TIME magazine. https://time.com/magazine/us/4277492/april-11th-2016-vol-187-no-13-u-s/ This is a reliable source. Factcheckerina ( talk) 14:06, 15 June 2022 (UTC) |
He was in national news repeatedly for promoting "karezza". Request add. https://abcnews.go.com/Health/karezza-lovemaking-orgasm-strengthens-marriages-advocates/story?id=16743124 http://abcnewsradioonline.com/health-news/can-sex-without-orgasm-bolster-marriages.html https://www.salon.com/2015/09/30/from_kosher_sex_to_love_maps_5_tips_for_keeping_your_sex_life_hot/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (Redacted) 00:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
Such claim is WP:Verifiable in multiple WP:RS. So, it is an objective historical fact about Wilson.
This is what biased
means: Wikipedia is biased for real historical facts.
Besides, the couple had the website https://reuniting.info , where they pleaded against orgasm in full detail. So, this isn't something made up by the mainstream press. Still available at https://archive.org .
And they had articles (meanwhile deleted) at https://psychologytoday.com . tgeorgescu ( talk) 11:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
If you wonder what this article has to do with WP:ARBGENDER: Wilson re-baptized "pray the gay away" into "pray the porn away". Conversion therapy got a brand new and improved name. You see, since conversion therapy became widely condemned, it can only be offered under the guise of porn addiction therapy. tgeorgescu ( talk) 17:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
the sentence 'The purported science behind NoFap's activities is said to come from Wilson,according to historian Brian M. Watson, who, "with no scientific training or background ...has made a career peddling pseudoscience." is biased. if you read the ybop page, it's far from pseudoscience, it's a collection with pages and pages of psychological research by reputable sources. i do not think it fair that one historian who seems to be writing with a certain political motive is quoted with such an ad hominem here. Koenvani ( talk) 17:41, 12 January 2023 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koenvani ( talk • contribs) 17:37, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
Saying that "Wikipedia is biased" or that "Wikipedia fails to follow its own neutral point of view rules" is not a set of magic words that will cause Wikipedia to accept your favorite conspiracy theory, urban myth, pseudoscience, alternative medicine or fringe theory.Quoted from WP:GOODBIAS.
In the TGPE video, Wilson states that internet porn use is associated with various clinical disorders including ADHD, depression, social anxiety and OCD. He opposes the prescription of medications to treat these disorders and states, "Guys don’t realize that they can overcome these symptoms simply by changing their behaviour [masturbation to internet porn]." As someone trained in psychology, I find this extremely problematic and entirely unethical.
— Dr. Jason Winters
Just for reference: a recent academic book chapter by Lucas Gottzén analyzes Wilson's writing [1] Some of Wilson's claims are discussed here: [2] A sympathetic (gasp!) commentary is found here: [3] --Animalparty! ( talk) 03:40, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
As Albert Einstein said, “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”That frames Wilson as the great mind and the American Psychiatric Association as the violent opposition of mediocre minds. Yup, in March 2022 DSM-5-TR gave the lie to Wilson's "preponderance of evidence" claim. Saying this because Wikipedia is biased for WP:PSCI, while the Mormon church is biased against WP:PSCI, at least upon the issue of porn addiction. tgeorgescu ( talk) 06:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
References
How do we know it was Wilson who committed suicide Jm33746 ( talk) 12:01, 14 December 2023 (UTC)
@ Jm33746: He was not a scientific researcher, he published only one paper, in a low-reputation journal, and the paper got lambasted on several issues by those in the know. tgeorgescu ( talk) 14:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)