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What reasons were there to use this tag?-- Svetovid ( talk) 17:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I am copying the comments from Nmate, in case anyone would like to respond:
Because this is an Hungarian - Slovak common topic, but does not imply the Hungarian point of view at all. Nmate
1,The article does not deal with the antecedents of the contract.
2,Slovakia hurt Hungary's territorial integrity because diverted the boundary river to their own area.(Danube river more serious river than Wisła river because I saw the Wisła river in Warszawa.)
3,The article does not deal with the environment protection aspect at all. Nmate
I have also removed the "cleanup" template and replaced it with {{ npov}}. El on ka 15:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Let me disagree with you on points 2 and 3.
- The mere fact of large amount of water divertion had no effect on territorial integrity of Hungary. The border has not changed at all, it is still old stream filled with water, albeit with less water. This was a matter of dispute before court as far as I know. On what do you base your claim?
- Article deals with ecology aspect in sentences "The argument against the dam was danger to the environment and to the water supply of Budapest." and "The threat of ecological catastrophe didn't materialize during the following years; on the contrary, the Danube floodplains surrounding the area have been saved from draining observed in the past." Of course, this is unsourced, but your claim of article not dealing with this is not true. Expansion of this would be surely helpful, I would even say that enviromental aspect would be worthy of own section later, after expansion of article.
- On general, however, I would not say the article is "poorly" written. Incomplete - why not, there are many facts missing there. --Ruziklan (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I feel an NPOV tag isn't justified enough so I removed it. Probably the article could use some expansion, but that's not equal to POV, or? 81.152.74.148 ( talk) 12:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
"The article does not deal with the antecedents of the contract." That's not a POV issue. It needs expansion.
"Slovakia hurt Hungary's territorial integrity because diverted the boundary river to their own area." Personal opinion, AKA
original research.
"The article does not deal with the environment protection aspect at all." Again, that's not a POV issue. Actually, the article touches that with: "The threat of ecological catastrophe didn't materialize during the following years; on the contrary, the Danube floodplains surrounding the area have been saved from draining observed in the past." This statement needs citation, but it's not a POV issue unless someone has a reliable source that doubts this.--
Svetovid (
talk) 18:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
So are there actually any POV issues or can the tag be removed?-- Svetovid ( talk) 22:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The Hungarian side of the story is clearly missing here. While the role of the environmentalist movement and particularly the role of Danube Circle was briefly mentioned, but the article did not realize their significance. I wish I had some time to write about the political background that still ties the hands of every Hungarian governments to seek any sort of compromise. Bmfekete ( talk) 16:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The article should be split into two articles. One would be Gabčíkovo - Nagymaros project dealing with the initial project and the case in the International Court of Justice and the other would be Gabčíkovo Dam about the realized dam with two levels: Gabčíkovo and Čunovo.-- Svetovid ( talk) 22:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to rename the article on Gabčíkovo Dams, because there is no "Nagymaros". Gabčíkovo-Nagymaros project is just a part of it´s history.-- Michalides ( talk) 20:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I am affraid that you do not understand the substance of this topic. Slovakia one-sided diverted the Danube river to their own area. Do you know what it means? Hungary's territorical integrity is hurting. After these it is strange if this text says about the environmental advantages. I know it well. It is more better if a country has both banks of a river-- Nmate ( talk) 08:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone please take care of the "Environmental consequences" part? This is ridiculous from an environmental point of view and sounds more like propaganda from enthusiasts. 10:30, 01 September 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.155.224 ( talk)
I have read differently that there really has been environmental problems in Hungary from this dam. The water table down river from the dam has dropped and the population of fish on that section of the floodplain have decreased with mean annual fish catches are down 87 percent. MontanaWind ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
this article is like it was written by meciar or slota themselves. michalides, svetovid and ruziklan are all slovaks and they keep every non-slovak interpretation of the case swept off the table.
the treaty that defines the border says the border is the middle of the shipping channel of the danube. since they altered the shipping channel the border was 'de jure' moved. this isnt a personal opinion, this is an official Hungarian claim.
to editor ruziklan - your surname is Hungarian yet u dont speak Hungarian and are one big-time slovak nationalist. funny but in a shameful way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.82.97 ( talk) 11:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I think this source in English [1] is a good summary about environmental issues. Fakirbakir ( talk) 14:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
""Stabilization of the bottom and stream of the Danube."" ---Sorry, but this is so stupid. There is practically no water in the old Danube bed. (see, for example, [3] p. 190 "....(in) the Old Danube bed, where the the total losses (fish biomass) in all parameters exceed to 95%"). Fakirbakir ( talk) 09:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The switchyard of the power station is disguised on Google Maps
This is probably not true anymore. See this photo taken in 2009: http://www.google.sk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.rajce.idnes.cz%2Fd0303%2F3%2F3925%2F3925496_9163d58c5dd49cbad08bc1ef94fc7d98%2Fimages%2F067_Gabcikovo.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkucajirka.rajce.idnes.cz%2FGabcikovo_letecky_2009%2F&h=901&w=1200&tbnid=cTKgwAbGdFSiYM%3A&zoom=1&docid=EMjisSa7g5ZWVM&ei=L4hdU63WBoSfO-CRgQg&tbm=isch&ved=0CJoBEDMoPDA8&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=357&page=2&start=35&ndsp=35
And the corresponding google maps section: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=dobrohost&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.883524,17.541191&spn=0.003274,0.007907&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=62.186014,129.550781&t=h&hnear=Dobroho%C5%A1%C5%A5,+Slovakia&z=18
The image is not sharp, but everything is visible. It is also not a problem to walk around the complex pretty close to the buildings, so i see no reason why it should be hidden on google images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.167.1.50 ( talk) 23:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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What reasons were there to use this tag?-- Svetovid ( talk) 17:53, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
I am copying the comments from Nmate, in case anyone would like to respond:
Because this is an Hungarian - Slovak common topic, but does not imply the Hungarian point of view at all. Nmate
1,The article does not deal with the antecedents of the contract.
2,Slovakia hurt Hungary's territorial integrity because diverted the boundary river to their own area.(Danube river more serious river than Wisła river because I saw the Wisła river in Warszawa.)
3,The article does not deal with the environment protection aspect at all. Nmate
I have also removed the "cleanup" template and replaced it with {{ npov}}. El on ka 15:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
- Let me disagree with you on points 2 and 3.
- The mere fact of large amount of water divertion had no effect on territorial integrity of Hungary. The border has not changed at all, it is still old stream filled with water, albeit with less water. This was a matter of dispute before court as far as I know. On what do you base your claim?
- Article deals with ecology aspect in sentences "The argument against the dam was danger to the environment and to the water supply of Budapest." and "The threat of ecological catastrophe didn't materialize during the following years; on the contrary, the Danube floodplains surrounding the area have been saved from draining observed in the past." Of course, this is unsourced, but your claim of article not dealing with this is not true. Expansion of this would be surely helpful, I would even say that enviromental aspect would be worthy of own section later, after expansion of article.
- On general, however, I would not say the article is "poorly" written. Incomplete - why not, there are many facts missing there. --Ruziklan (talk) 15:27, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
I feel an NPOV tag isn't justified enough so I removed it. Probably the article could use some expansion, but that's not equal to POV, or? 81.152.74.148 ( talk) 12:17, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
"The article does not deal with the antecedents of the contract." That's not a POV issue. It needs expansion.
"Slovakia hurt Hungary's territorial integrity because diverted the boundary river to their own area." Personal opinion, AKA
original research.
"The article does not deal with the environment protection aspect at all." Again, that's not a POV issue. Actually, the article touches that with: "The threat of ecological catastrophe didn't materialize during the following years; on the contrary, the Danube floodplains surrounding the area have been saved from draining observed in the past." This statement needs citation, but it's not a POV issue unless someone has a reliable source that doubts this.--
Svetovid (
talk) 18:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
So are there actually any POV issues or can the tag be removed?-- Svetovid ( talk) 22:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The Hungarian side of the story is clearly missing here. While the role of the environmentalist movement and particularly the role of Danube Circle was briefly mentioned, but the article did not realize their significance. I wish I had some time to write about the political background that still ties the hands of every Hungarian governments to seek any sort of compromise. Bmfekete ( talk) 16:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
The article should be split into two articles. One would be Gabčíkovo - Nagymaros project dealing with the initial project and the case in the International Court of Justice and the other would be Gabčíkovo Dam about the realized dam with two levels: Gabčíkovo and Čunovo.-- Svetovid ( talk) 22:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to rename the article on Gabčíkovo Dams, because there is no "Nagymaros". Gabčíkovo-Nagymaros project is just a part of it´s history.-- Michalides ( talk) 20:44, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
I am affraid that you do not understand the substance of this topic. Slovakia one-sided diverted the Danube river to their own area. Do you know what it means? Hungary's territorical integrity is hurting. After these it is strange if this text says about the environmental advantages. I know it well. It is more better if a country has both banks of a river-- Nmate ( talk) 08:35, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Hello! Can anyone please take care of the "Environmental consequences" part? This is ridiculous from an environmental point of view and sounds more like propaganda from enthusiasts. 10:30, 01 September 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.204.155.224 ( talk)
I have read differently that there really has been environmental problems in Hungary from this dam. The water table down river from the dam has dropped and the population of fish on that section of the floodplain have decreased with mean annual fish catches are down 87 percent. MontanaWind ( talk) 04:47, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
this article is like it was written by meciar or slota themselves. michalides, svetovid and ruziklan are all slovaks and they keep every non-slovak interpretation of the case swept off the table.
the treaty that defines the border says the border is the middle of the shipping channel of the danube. since they altered the shipping channel the border was 'de jure' moved. this isnt a personal opinion, this is an official Hungarian claim.
to editor ruziklan - your surname is Hungarian yet u dont speak Hungarian and are one big-time slovak nationalist. funny but in a shameful way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.234.82.97 ( talk) 11:48, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I think this source in English [1] is a good summary about environmental issues. Fakirbakir ( talk) 14:42, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
""Stabilization of the bottom and stream of the Danube."" ---Sorry, but this is so stupid. There is practically no water in the old Danube bed. (see, for example, [3] p. 190 "....(in) the Old Danube bed, where the the total losses (fish biomass) in all parameters exceed to 95%"). Fakirbakir ( talk) 09:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
The switchyard of the power station is disguised on Google Maps
This is probably not true anymore. See this photo taken in 2009: http://www.google.sk/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fimg3.rajce.idnes.cz%2Fd0303%2F3%2F3925%2F3925496_9163d58c5dd49cbad08bc1ef94fc7d98%2Fimages%2F067_Gabcikovo.JPG&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fkucajirka.rajce.idnes.cz%2FGabcikovo_letecky_2009%2F&h=901&w=1200&tbnid=cTKgwAbGdFSiYM%3A&zoom=1&docid=EMjisSa7g5ZWVM&ei=L4hdU63WBoSfO-CRgQg&tbm=isch&ved=0CJoBEDMoPDA8&iact=rc&uact=3&dur=357&page=2&start=35&ndsp=35
And the corresponding google maps section: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=dobrohost&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.883524,17.541191&spn=0.003274,0.007907&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=62.186014,129.550781&t=h&hnear=Dobroho%C5%A1%C5%A5,+Slovakia&z=18
The image is not sharp, but everything is visible. It is also not a problem to walk around the complex pretty close to the buildings, so i see no reason why it should be hidden on google images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.167.1.50 ( talk) 23:04, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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Marked it as NPOV as it reflects only the Slovak aspect of the topic: - with possible factual errors (Hague lawsuit resolution) - missing some important points of environmental aspects (only describing the positive side, citing from the Slovak powerplant’s home page), - missing description of Hungarian civil movements that led to aborting the original project. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.0.70.248 ( talk) 20:58, 3 January 2020 (UTC)