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The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 17:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Wagner Line → Russian defense lines during the Russian invasion of Ukraine – I propose to expand the scope of the article. As far as I know the Wagner Line just covers the area of Bakhmut and Sievierodonetsk-Lysychansk. But the most discussed one is the Surovikin Line in the Zaporizhzhia front. This is the format the Russian Wikipedia article follows [1]. Maybe "fortifications" could be more encyclopedic, however "defense lines" is the way of calling them that we're the most familiarised with. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 15:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Russia has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
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- Support, makes sense. Alaexis ¿question? 19:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support agreed— blindlynx 01:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. “Defensive line” sounds more familiar, and doesn’t arbitrarily choose American spelling. —
Michael
Z. 12:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Defensive line redirects to some sports topic while Defense line is the title we use for this warfare topic, the latter would be more appropriate. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 12:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
The Khrenin Line is not Russian, it's in Belarus. Is it even deserving of being in this article? HappyWith ( talk) 22:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The only thing even approaching any degree of substance in this article is the Wagner line, which is part of the Svatove–Kreminna line, which is itself a redirect to the Luhansk Oblast campaign, yet the Wagner line is of such consequence that it doesn't rate a mention there. Perhaps it should, but that would leave little justification for this article. This article was moved from Russian defense lines during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to the present title. Dragon's teeth are field defences/obsticals. Calling these fortifications is perhaps an overstatement and would imply an extent of development that probably doesn't exist/for which there is no evidence. Cinderella157 ( talk) 00:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
As a french, I know Tytelmann's points of view about Ukraine, and he's widely pro-ukrainian (aid of humanitarian and paramilitary equipment with donations via his YouTube channel). We can really question his ability to talk about fortifications as he is part of the team of "Air&Cosmos", not really a land warfare-based magazine. His neutrality can may not be assured to figure in a wikipedia article. 2001:861:30C2:9420:C908:7C25:93F0:7DD3 ( talk) 17:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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| On 31 August 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Wagner Line to Russian defense lines during the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The result of the discussion was moved. |
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) – Material Works 17:03, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Wagner Line → Russian defense lines during the Russian invasion of Ukraine – I propose to expand the scope of the article. As far as I know the Wagner Line just covers the area of Bakhmut and Sievierodonetsk-Lysychansk. But the most discussed one is the Surovikin Line in the Zaporizhzhia front. This is the format the Russian Wikipedia article follows [1]. Maybe "fortifications" could be more encyclopedic, however "defense lines" is the way of calling them that we're the most familiarised with. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 15:19, 31 August 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Russia has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:24, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: WikiProject Ukraine has been notified of this discussion. ❯❯❯ Raydann (Talk) 16:25, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support, makes sense. Alaexis ¿question? 19:53, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Support agreed— blindlynx 01:08, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Comment. “Defensive line” sounds more familiar, and doesn’t arbitrarily choose American spelling. —
Michael
Z. 12:56, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
- Defensive line redirects to some sports topic while Defense line is the title we use for this warfare topic, the latter would be more appropriate. Super Dromaeosaurus ( talk) 12:14, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
The Khrenin Line is not Russian, it's in Belarus. Is it even deserving of being in this article? HappyWith ( talk) 22:06, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
The only thing even approaching any degree of substance in this article is the Wagner line, which is part of the Svatove–Kreminna line, which is itself a redirect to the Luhansk Oblast campaign, yet the Wagner line is of such consequence that it doesn't rate a mention there. Perhaps it should, but that would leave little justification for this article. This article was moved from Russian defense lines during the Russian invasion of Ukraine to the present title. Dragon's teeth are field defences/obsticals. Calling these fortifications is perhaps an overstatement and would imply an extent of development that probably doesn't exist/for which there is no evidence. Cinderella157 ( talk) 00:40, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
As a french, I know Tytelmann's points of view about Ukraine, and he's widely pro-ukrainian (aid of humanitarian and paramilitary equipment with donations via his YouTube channel). We can really question his ability to talk about fortifications as he is part of the team of "Air&Cosmos", not really a land warfare-based magazine. His neutrality can may not be assured to figure in a wikipedia article. 2001:861:30C2:9420:C908:7C25:93F0:7DD3 ( talk) 17:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
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