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I found a source from NWS Norman stating the approximate track length of the Lone Grove tornado. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/wxevents/20090210/tornadotable.php -- Bigphishy56 ( talk) 13:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
– Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
First, good news. It is a well-referenced article with no stubby sections. However, I'm having problems with the non-tornadic events section, which seems to be missing a section/paragraph which explains the cause of the non-tornadic (severe?) events themselves. If these events are due to a squall line, explain the motion/movement of the squall line which caused this damage. If it was merely due to gradient winds from a strong extratropical cyclone, say so. Either way, the non-tornadic events don't seem to be listed in sequence, and they jump around the eastern United States haphazardly. Thegreatdr ( talk) 12:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
There is too much info regarding some of these tornadoes. We dont need to know what its wind speed or if it was recorded by a tv station or how much it cost. Can we not stick to what was damaged? Showtime2009 ( talk) 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
You might as well give it its own section again. There is once again too much information for the infobox and now it looks disproportionate. Not to mention too many sources. Again we just need damage info and not other stuff. Showtime2009 ( talk) 19:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Then you might as well just give it its own section back. The infoboxes have always been used to state the damage and nothing else. Showtime2009 ( talk) 01:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Given the lack of a response from Cyclonebiskit, I will condense parts of this article in the near future. Showtime2009 ( talk) 22:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright then, we'll keep it the way it is then. Showtime2009 ( talk) 01:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Since all the information is now in, the table should probably look something like this. Thoughts?
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 | ||||||
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EF# | Location | County/ Parish |
Coord. | Time (UTC) | Path length | Damage |
Oklahoma | ||||||
EF1 | NNW of Wiley Post Airport | Oklahoma | 35°33′N 97°38′W / 35.550°N 97.633°W | 2036 | 0.75 miles (1.2 km) | The first tornado of the outbreak touched down around 2:36 pm CST near Oklahoma City. The 75 yd (69 m) wide tornado tracked for 0.75 miles (1.21 km), damaging several businesses and homes. Two shopping centers were closed for several days due to the severity of the impact. The wall of one restaurant was partially destroyed and a piece of plywood from a small retail building was thrown into the wall of the restaurant. After tracking through mostly rural areas, the tornado lifted around 2:37 pm CST about 2 miles (3.2 km) north-northeast of Wiley Post Airport. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $1 million. [1] |
EF2 | WNW of Edmond | Oklahoma, Logan | 35°39′N 97°31′W / 35.650°N 97.517°W | 2053 | 6.5 miles (10.5 km) | The second tornado to touch down during the outbreak formed at around 2:52 pm CST (2052 UTC) [2] about 3 miles (5 km) north-northwest of Edmond, Oklahoma. The tornado, which its formation was captured live via KOCO-TV's Sky 5 camera, traveled towards the northeast [3] for about 6.5 miles (10 km), crossing into Logan County and dissipating at 3:05 pm CST (2105 UTC). Following a survey by the National Weather Service, the tornado was estimated to have been about 75 yards (70 m) wide and was rated as an EF2. [2] Most of the downtown residences were left without power as the tornado struck the area around 2:59 pm CST (2059 UTC). Ten minutes earlier, tornado sirens were sounded as a tornado warning was issued for the area. Students who were being taken home by bus at the time were immediately taken to the nearest school for shelter. [4] The schools were placed in lockdown for about two hours following the tornado sirens. [5] In Edmond, six homes were destroyed, eight structures received major damage, 51 received minor damage and another 166 structures were affected. [6] Some of the homes damaged by the tornado were estimated to be worth over $1 million. [7] The Oak Tree Golf Club sustained severe damage, with numerous trees being uprooted. [8] Hundreds of trees were uprooted or significantly damaged along the tornado's path. [9] In Oklahoma County, the tornado left an estimated 28,500 people without power. [10] Damages were $1.7 million. |
EF1 | NW of Meridian | Logan | 35°51′N 97°16′W / 35.850°N 97.267°W | 2124 | 1 mile (1.6 km) | Two homes were damaged, including one that completely lost its roof. It was on the ground for two minutes. [11] Post-storm analysis indicated that the tornado reached EF1 intensity. [12] |
EF1 | WSW of Perkins | Payne | 35°57′N 97°10′W / 35.950°N 97.167°W | 2139 | 10 miles (16 km) | Long lived tornado destroyed a barn and an oilfield communications tower. Numerous power lines were downed, leaving 1,586 customers without power in Payne county. Most of the outages were around Oklahoma State Highway 33. [13] Post-storm analysis indicated that the tornado reached EF1 intensity. [14] |
EF0 | SSW of Pawnee | Pawnee | 36°17′N 96°49′W / 36.283°N 96.817°W | 2235 | 3 miles (4.8 km) | Two barns completely destroyed. Debris scattering seems to be consistent with damage caused by a tornado. Four cows were lost and presumed dead due to the tornado. [15] |
EF4 | SE of Grady | Jefferson, Love, Carter, | 33°57′N 97°35′W / 33.950°N 97.583°W | 0048 | 45 miles (72 km) | 8 deaths— See section on this tornado |
Texas | ||||||
EF0 | SSW of Belcherville | Montague | 33°47′N 97°49′W / 33.783°N 97.817°W | 0025 | 100 yards (91 m) | One house suffered roof damage. Debris blew down a back door and permitted debris to enter the house. Two trees were toppled and a shed was destroyed. [16] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $20,000. [17] |
EF1 | Spanish Fort area | Montague | 33°55′N 97°37′W / 33.917°N 97.617°W | 0045 | 2 miles (3 km) | Multi-vortex tornado snapped numerous large trees, some up to 30 inches in diameter. [18] Winds within the tornado were estimated at 95 to 100 miles per hour (153 to 161 km/h). Eye-witnesses of the tornado reported that it crossed the Red River, tracking into Oklahoma; however, the post-storm survey did not confirm this. [19] |
EF1 | SSW of Grapevine Southlake Airport | Tarrant | 32°54′N 97°08′W / 32.900°N 97.133°W | 0315 | 1 mile (2 km) | A brief tornado, lasting roughly two minutes, caused significant damage to five homes and minor damage to 15 others. The maximum width of the tornado was estimated to be 100 yd (91 m) with winds up to 90 miles per hour (140 km/h). Damages from the tornado were estimated at $750,000. [20] |
EF1 | NNE of Garden Valley | Smith, Wood | 32°34′N 95°30′W / 32.567°N 95.500°W | 0516 | 7 miles (11 km) | A barn was destroyed and several metal buildings were damaged or destroyed northwest of Lindale. Several homes sustained roof damage near Mineola. [21] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $300,000. [22] [23] |
Missouri | ||||||
EF1 | ENE of Battlefield | Greene | 37°07′N 93°20′W / 37.117°N 93.333°W | 0443 | 5 miles (8 km) | Tornado tracked across the southern end of Springfield. About two dozen houses and businesses were damaged, and several trees and power lines were knocked over, [24] leaving 250 residences without power. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $350,000. [25] |
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 | ||||||
Louisiana | ||||||
EF1 | Kolter area | De Soto | 32°09′N 93°56′W / 32.150°N 93.933°W | 0704 | 2 miles (3.2 km) | A metal barn was destroyed and part of the frame was removed from the ground. Many trees were damaged. [26] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $150,000. [27] |
Tennessee | ||||||
EF1 | SW of Camp Ground | Fentress | 36°09′N 85°04′W / 36.150°N 85.067°W | 1905 | 1 mile (1.6 km) | One person was injured when the tornado pinned him under his car. Up to 50 trees were downed. [28] The tornado was on the ground for about a minute and was up to 75 yards wide. [29] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $50,000. [30] |
Indiana | ||||||
EF1 | SW of Medford | Delaware | 40°06′N 85°19′W / 40.100°N 85.317°W | 2030 | 0.2 miles (0.3 km) | A 100 foot wide tornado briefly touched down near Muncie. Winds estimated at 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) destroyed one barn and tore the roof off of a house. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $13,000. [31] The tornado traveled for 0.2 miles (0.3 km). [32] |
Virginia | ||||||
EF0 | NE of Coulwood | Russell | 36°59′N 82°03′W / 36.983°N 82.050°W | 2259 | 4 miles (6.4 km) | A roof was damaged and several trees were knocked over. [33] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $30,000. [34] |
Sources: NCDC Database |
Oh I made an error. Because the stats for the Lone Grove tornado show it only going through three counties, i forgot to revise the path length. It should be 35 miles.
Also regarding text in the article about the tornado ending at 8:00. It should be revised to note that it ended at 7:43 and probably the image of the preliminary track should be removed. [1] Showtime2009 ( talk) 08:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The following references do not support the claims in this articule. Can someone check/update/remove them? Matthew C. Clarke 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I was asked to review this article's alt text. It looks pretty good; I particularly liked the description of the tornado. However, the last two maps need work. Alt text for a map should convey the gist of the useful information conveyed by the map, rather than focus on unimportant details such as the false colors used (please see WP:ALT#Maps). So, the alt text for File:Tornado Watch 10 2009.gif should focus on that strikingly intense straight line of thunderstorms running north-northeast from San Antonio to southwest Missouri, and the alt text for File:02102009 1.radarloop Mineola tornado.gif should cover the striking pattern of an amorphous region moving west and a bit north through the map. Since neither map has a legend that says "thunderstorm" the alt text should not say "thunderstorm"; instead, that sort of interpretation should be in the caption (please see WP:ALT#Verifiability). Eubulides ( talk) 17:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: I will review this as I would at FAC, here are some suggestions for improvement.
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
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Tornado outbreak of February 10–11, 2009 → February 2009 North American storm complex – The non tornado effects have about as much coverage in the article as the tornadic ones, and same for impact. This is a more neutral title that recognizes both equally. 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 14:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
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This mostly has to do with updating refs and removing dead ones, but there are also WAY too many sections with too many paragraph breaks. There are also points where it is overly detailed. Chess Eric 21:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Cyclonebiskit and ChessEric: where do you feel this article stands now in relation to the GA criteria? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 11:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
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I found a source from NWS Norman stating the approximate track length of the Lone Grove tornado. http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/wxevents/20090210/tornadotable.php -- Bigphishy56 ( talk) 13:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
– Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone 19:03, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
First, good news. It is a well-referenced article with no stubby sections. However, I'm having problems with the non-tornadic events section, which seems to be missing a section/paragraph which explains the cause of the non-tornadic (severe?) events themselves. If these events are due to a squall line, explain the motion/movement of the squall line which caused this damage. If it was merely due to gradient winds from a strong extratropical cyclone, say so. Either way, the non-tornadic events don't seem to be listed in sequence, and they jump around the eastern United States haphazardly. Thegreatdr ( talk) 12:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
There is too much info regarding some of these tornadoes. We dont need to know what its wind speed or if it was recorded by a tv station or how much it cost. Can we not stick to what was damaged? Showtime2009 ( talk) 18:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
You might as well give it its own section again. There is once again too much information for the infobox and now it looks disproportionate. Not to mention too many sources. Again we just need damage info and not other stuff. Showtime2009 ( talk) 19:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Then you might as well just give it its own section back. The infoboxes have always been used to state the damage and nothing else. Showtime2009 ( talk) 01:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Given the lack of a response from Cyclonebiskit, I will condense parts of this article in the near future. Showtime2009 ( talk) 22:19, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright then, we'll keep it the way it is then. Showtime2009 ( talk) 01:30, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Since all the information is now in, the table should probably look something like this. Thoughts?
Tuesday, February 10, 2009 | ||||||
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EF# | Location | County/ Parish |
Coord. | Time (UTC) | Path length | Damage |
Oklahoma | ||||||
EF1 | NNW of Wiley Post Airport | Oklahoma | 35°33′N 97°38′W / 35.550°N 97.633°W | 2036 | 0.75 miles (1.2 km) | The first tornado of the outbreak touched down around 2:36 pm CST near Oklahoma City. The 75 yd (69 m) wide tornado tracked for 0.75 miles (1.21 km), damaging several businesses and homes. Two shopping centers were closed for several days due to the severity of the impact. The wall of one restaurant was partially destroyed and a piece of plywood from a small retail building was thrown into the wall of the restaurant. After tracking through mostly rural areas, the tornado lifted around 2:37 pm CST about 2 miles (3.2 km) north-northeast of Wiley Post Airport. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $1 million. [1] |
EF2 | WNW of Edmond | Oklahoma, Logan | 35°39′N 97°31′W / 35.650°N 97.517°W | 2053 | 6.5 miles (10.5 km) | The second tornado to touch down during the outbreak formed at around 2:52 pm CST (2052 UTC) [2] about 3 miles (5 km) north-northwest of Edmond, Oklahoma. The tornado, which its formation was captured live via KOCO-TV's Sky 5 camera, traveled towards the northeast [3] for about 6.5 miles (10 km), crossing into Logan County and dissipating at 3:05 pm CST (2105 UTC). Following a survey by the National Weather Service, the tornado was estimated to have been about 75 yards (70 m) wide and was rated as an EF2. [2] Most of the downtown residences were left without power as the tornado struck the area around 2:59 pm CST (2059 UTC). Ten minutes earlier, tornado sirens were sounded as a tornado warning was issued for the area. Students who were being taken home by bus at the time were immediately taken to the nearest school for shelter. [4] The schools were placed in lockdown for about two hours following the tornado sirens. [5] In Edmond, six homes were destroyed, eight structures received major damage, 51 received minor damage and another 166 structures were affected. [6] Some of the homes damaged by the tornado were estimated to be worth over $1 million. [7] The Oak Tree Golf Club sustained severe damage, with numerous trees being uprooted. [8] Hundreds of trees were uprooted or significantly damaged along the tornado's path. [9] In Oklahoma County, the tornado left an estimated 28,500 people without power. [10] Damages were $1.7 million. |
EF1 | NW of Meridian | Logan | 35°51′N 97°16′W / 35.850°N 97.267°W | 2124 | 1 mile (1.6 km) | Two homes were damaged, including one that completely lost its roof. It was on the ground for two minutes. [11] Post-storm analysis indicated that the tornado reached EF1 intensity. [12] |
EF1 | WSW of Perkins | Payne | 35°57′N 97°10′W / 35.950°N 97.167°W | 2139 | 10 miles (16 km) | Long lived tornado destroyed a barn and an oilfield communications tower. Numerous power lines were downed, leaving 1,586 customers without power in Payne county. Most of the outages were around Oklahoma State Highway 33. [13] Post-storm analysis indicated that the tornado reached EF1 intensity. [14] |
EF0 | SSW of Pawnee | Pawnee | 36°17′N 96°49′W / 36.283°N 96.817°W | 2235 | 3 miles (4.8 km) | Two barns completely destroyed. Debris scattering seems to be consistent with damage caused by a tornado. Four cows were lost and presumed dead due to the tornado. [15] |
EF4 | SE of Grady | Jefferson, Love, Carter, | 33°57′N 97°35′W / 33.950°N 97.583°W | 0048 | 45 miles (72 km) | 8 deaths— See section on this tornado |
Texas | ||||||
EF0 | SSW of Belcherville | Montague | 33°47′N 97°49′W / 33.783°N 97.817°W | 0025 | 100 yards (91 m) | One house suffered roof damage. Debris blew down a back door and permitted debris to enter the house. Two trees were toppled and a shed was destroyed. [16] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $20,000. [17] |
EF1 | Spanish Fort area | Montague | 33°55′N 97°37′W / 33.917°N 97.617°W | 0045 | 2 miles (3 km) | Multi-vortex tornado snapped numerous large trees, some up to 30 inches in diameter. [18] Winds within the tornado were estimated at 95 to 100 miles per hour (153 to 161 km/h). Eye-witnesses of the tornado reported that it crossed the Red River, tracking into Oklahoma; however, the post-storm survey did not confirm this. [19] |
EF1 | SSW of Grapevine Southlake Airport | Tarrant | 32°54′N 97°08′W / 32.900°N 97.133°W | 0315 | 1 mile (2 km) | A brief tornado, lasting roughly two minutes, caused significant damage to five homes and minor damage to 15 others. The maximum width of the tornado was estimated to be 100 yd (91 m) with winds up to 90 miles per hour (140 km/h). Damages from the tornado were estimated at $750,000. [20] |
EF1 | NNE of Garden Valley | Smith, Wood | 32°34′N 95°30′W / 32.567°N 95.500°W | 0516 | 7 miles (11 km) | A barn was destroyed and several metal buildings were damaged or destroyed northwest of Lindale. Several homes sustained roof damage near Mineola. [21] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $300,000. [22] [23] |
Missouri | ||||||
EF1 | ENE of Battlefield | Greene | 37°07′N 93°20′W / 37.117°N 93.333°W | 0443 | 5 miles (8 km) | Tornado tracked across the southern end of Springfield. About two dozen houses and businesses were damaged, and several trees and power lines were knocked over, [24] leaving 250 residences without power. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $350,000. [25] |
Wednesday, February 11, 2009 | ||||||
Louisiana | ||||||
EF1 | Kolter area | De Soto | 32°09′N 93°56′W / 32.150°N 93.933°W | 0704 | 2 miles (3.2 km) | A metal barn was destroyed and part of the frame was removed from the ground. Many trees were damaged. [26] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $150,000. [27] |
Tennessee | ||||||
EF1 | SW of Camp Ground | Fentress | 36°09′N 85°04′W / 36.150°N 85.067°W | 1905 | 1 mile (1.6 km) | One person was injured when the tornado pinned him under his car. Up to 50 trees were downed. [28] The tornado was on the ground for about a minute and was up to 75 yards wide. [29] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $50,000. [30] |
Indiana | ||||||
EF1 | SW of Medford | Delaware | 40°06′N 85°19′W / 40.100°N 85.317°W | 2030 | 0.2 miles (0.3 km) | A 100 foot wide tornado briefly touched down near Muncie. Winds estimated at 100 miles per hour (160 km/h) destroyed one barn and tore the roof off of a house. Damages from the tornado were estimated at $13,000. [31] The tornado traveled for 0.2 miles (0.3 km). [32] |
Virginia | ||||||
EF0 | NE of Coulwood | Russell | 36°59′N 82°03′W / 36.983°N 82.050°W | 2259 | 4 miles (6.4 km) | A roof was damaged and several trees were knocked over. [33] Damages from the tornado were estimated at $30,000. [34] |
Sources: NCDC Database |
Oh I made an error. Because the stats for the Lone Grove tornado show it only going through three counties, i forgot to revise the path length. It should be 35 miles.
Also regarding text in the article about the tornado ending at 8:00. It should be revised to note that it ended at 7:43 and probably the image of the preliminary track should be removed. [1] Showtime2009 ( talk) 08:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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The following references do not support the claims in this articule. Can someone check/update/remove them? Matthew C. Clarke 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I was asked to review this article's alt text. It looks pretty good; I particularly liked the description of the tornado. However, the last two maps need work. Alt text for a map should convey the gist of the useful information conveyed by the map, rather than focus on unimportant details such as the false colors used (please see WP:ALT#Maps). So, the alt text for File:Tornado Watch 10 2009.gif should focus on that strikingly intense straight line of thunderstorms running north-northeast from San Antonio to southwest Missouri, and the alt text for File:02102009 1.radarloop Mineola tornado.gif should cover the striking pattern of an amorphous region moving west and a bit north through the map. Since neither map has a legend that says "thunderstorm" the alt text should not say "thunderstorm"; instead, that sort of interpretation should be in the caption (please see WP:ALT#Verifiability). Eubulides ( talk) 17:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: I will review this as I would at FAC, here are some suggestions for improvement.
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). I do not watch peer reviews, so if you have questions or comments, please contact me on my talk page. Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 20:46, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:April 1880 tornado outbreak which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 08:03, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa ( talk) 22:49, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
Tornado outbreak of February 10–11, 2009 → February 2009 North American storm complex – The non tornado effects have about as much coverage in the article as the tornadic ones, and same for impact. This is a more neutral title that recognizes both equally. 69.118.232.58 ( talk) 14:28, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This mostly has to do with updating refs and removing dead ones, but there are also WAY too many sections with too many paragraph breaks. There are also points where it is overly detailed. Chess Eric 21:48, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
@ Cyclonebiskit and ChessEric: where do you feel this article stands now in relation to the GA criteria? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 ( talk) 11:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)