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Hi.. I've been reading the article and think that: Olimpic Goal Misses.. The only olimpic Goal from world Cups isn't included... Thanks
Most shootouts, kicker, all-time & Most losses, kicker, all-time
3, Roberto Baggio, Flag of Italy Italy (1990 semi-final, 1994 final, 1998 quarter final)
It's false, because Roberto Baggio has scored the penalties that he kicked in the '90s semi-final (against Argentina) and in '98 (against France).
The source you cite says Pelé has 10 assists, but other sources says he has 8 assists https://www.sportsadda.com/football/features/most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup and others says he has 6 assists https://www.besoccer.com/competition/historical-ranking/world_cup/2018/assists
Discuss it, should it be removed, is there a reason to state that some of the sources are official and others are not, or should all of them be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.2.121.77 ( talk) 12:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Assists were not "important" until very recently, so we don't have any reliable record for this kind of data. Even FIFA sometimes puts Pelé with 6 or 5 assists in 1970. Here are some sources with 10 assists: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/world-cup-2022/who-has-the-most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup-history/2892615/ https://sports.yahoo.com/most-assists-fifa-world-cup-145545409.html?guccounter=1 But in the end, these pages are not reliable at all. Unless FIFA decides to give a final word I think we are just going to be guessing numbers, so far, only goals, wins and appearances are imperative for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucotuti ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
I think much of the confusion is because sources like OPTA only look at assists and stats from 1966 onwards. IMO, that's the main reason why different sources are quoting different numbers
I have counted 9 official assists for Pele using the FIFA website and the Guinness book of records. Perhaps these 2 are the most reliable sources to use.
6 overall in 1970, 1 vs Sweden in the 1958 final, 1 vs USSR in group stage in 1958 and 1 vs Mexico in 1962.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201023121730/https://www.fifa.com/news/happy-80th-birthday-to-the-king
That gives a combined total of 9 from reliable sources.
Does anyone know where the supposed 10th Assist was provided? Koppite1 ( talk) 13:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
share the record for the most assists in the knockout phase (6)but don't know how that links with the list above. Spike 'em ( talk) 13:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
This is still being edit-warred on, can we please discuss this here, rather than in edit summaries. @ Rudy Zoma 1980:, please take part here. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone there is a lot of disagreement in Pelé's assist count most sources say it's between 8 to 10 now certainly no less than eight, for sources that say nine goals, it also obviously counted Jairzinho's fourth goal against Czechoslovakia in the group stage of the tournament 1970, What confirms this is that the sources say that Pelé scored six goals in this tournament. Watch the goal here on YouTube. Pele passed the ball to Jairzinho, who moved the ball more than twenty meters in a time of more than ten seconds, then dodged three players and hit the ball into the goal, according to the method of this goal, it is not considered a assist. According to FIFA, the World Cup Assists Standards state:
Regarding the sources that say ten goals, I did not find the desired goal during the 1958−1970 tournaments, but it seems that these sources considered that any foul or penalty kick caused by Pelé and then scored as an assist, which is the first goal against Czechoslovakia in 1970 (same match)
So it is appropriate to say that Pelé assisted with eight goals, with noting that there are sources mentioning more than eight. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 00:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Who gets to decide that a person writing an article is more reliable than Youtube, where you can actually *watch* the matches. I see that some of you are specialists in cricket, believe me it's not hard to figure out what an "assist" is in football. There's no assists by Pelé in the Czechoslovakia match. Lllach ( talk) 01:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Yu have to have very little confidence in your senses to count 6 assists for Pele in 1970 Lllach ( talk) 01:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Title says it all 93.144.135.43 ( talk) 17:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
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Hi.. I've been reading the article and think that: Olimpic Goal Misses.. The only olimpic Goal from world Cups isn't included... Thanks
Most shootouts, kicker, all-time & Most losses, kicker, all-time
3, Roberto Baggio, Flag of Italy Italy (1990 semi-final, 1994 final, 1998 quarter final)
It's false, because Roberto Baggio has scored the penalties that he kicked in the '90s semi-final (against Argentina) and in '98 (against France).
The source you cite says Pelé has 10 assists, but other sources says he has 8 assists https://www.sportsadda.com/football/features/most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup and others says he has 6 assists https://www.besoccer.com/competition/historical-ranking/world_cup/2018/assists
Discuss it, should it be removed, is there a reason to state that some of the sources are official and others are not, or should all of them be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.2.121.77 ( talk) 12:31, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
Assists were not "important" until very recently, so we don't have any reliable record for this kind of data. Even FIFA sometimes puts Pelé with 6 or 5 assists in 1970. Here are some sources with 10 assists: https://www.nbcboston.com/news/sports/world-cup-2022/who-has-the-most-assists-in-fifa-world-cup-history/2892615/ https://sports.yahoo.com/most-assists-fifa-world-cup-145545409.html?guccounter=1 But in the end, these pages are not reliable at all. Unless FIFA decides to give a final word I think we are just going to be guessing numbers, so far, only goals, wins and appearances are imperative for them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tucotuti ( talk • contribs) 19:50, 18 December 2022 (UTC)
I think much of the confusion is because sources like OPTA only look at assists and stats from 1966 onwards. IMO, that's the main reason why different sources are quoting different numbers
I have counted 9 official assists for Pele using the FIFA website and the Guinness book of records. Perhaps these 2 are the most reliable sources to use.
6 overall in 1970, 1 vs Sweden in the 1958 final, 1 vs USSR in group stage in 1958 and 1 vs Mexico in 1962.
https://web.archive.org/web/20201023121730/https://www.fifa.com/news/happy-80th-birthday-to-the-king
That gives a combined total of 9 from reliable sources.
Does anyone know where the supposed 10th Assist was provided? Koppite1 ( talk) 13:34, 27 December 2022 (UTC)
share the record for the most assists in the knockout phase (6)but don't know how that links with the list above. Spike 'em ( talk) 13:48, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
This is still being edit-warred on, can we please discuss this here, rather than in edit summaries. @ Rudy Zoma 1980:, please take part here. Spike 'em ( talk) 10:28, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Hello everyone there is a lot of disagreement in Pelé's assist count most sources say it's between 8 to 10 now certainly no less than eight, for sources that say nine goals, it also obviously counted Jairzinho's fourth goal against Czechoslovakia in the group stage of the tournament 1970, What confirms this is that the sources say that Pelé scored six goals in this tournament. Watch the goal here on YouTube. Pele passed the ball to Jairzinho, who moved the ball more than twenty meters in a time of more than ten seconds, then dodged three players and hit the ball into the goal, according to the method of this goal, it is not considered a assist. According to FIFA, the World Cup Assists Standards state:
Regarding the sources that say ten goals, I did not find the desired goal during the 1958−1970 tournaments, but it seems that these sources considered that any foul or penalty kick caused by Pelé and then scored as an assist, which is the first goal against Czechoslovakia in 1970 (same match)
So it is appropriate to say that Pelé assisted with eight goals, with noting that there are sources mentioning more than eight. -- Mishary94 ( talk) 00:32, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
Who gets to decide that a person writing an article is more reliable than Youtube, where you can actually *watch* the matches. I see that some of you are specialists in cricket, believe me it's not hard to figure out what an "assist" is in football. There's no assists by Pelé in the Czechoslovakia match. Lllach ( talk) 01:07, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Yu have to have very little confidence in your senses to count 6 assists for Pele in 1970 Lllach ( talk) 01:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Title says it all 93.144.135.43 ( talk) 17:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
page 49 for CZE:Czech Republic (CZE) FIFA Affiliation: 1907/94 |
page 58 for SVK:Slovakia (SVK) FIFA Affiliation: 1907/94 |