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From a point of view that's very possible the earthenmost and westernmost places on earth must not only be in the 180th meridian, they must be, simultaneously, the closest to the equator possible, if not in the equator itself... So that would be a nice addendum to the article...
As far as I know the international date line / 180th meridian is located arbitrarily. So, I wonder what makes the eastern and westernmost points so special (i.e. worth mentioning on this page)? 19:27, 28 september 2009 (CEST)
For the record, the radius of an ellipse of semi-minor axis b (6356.78 km) and semi-major axis a (6378.14 km), at latitude λ (measured at the centre), is:
And thus we have:
Place | Latitude | Altitude (mAMSL) | Radius (km) |
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Mount Everest | 27°59'16" | 8,850 | 6375.6 |
Mount Chimborazo | 1°28' | 6,310 | 6378.1 |
Mariana Trench | 11°19' | -10,911 | 6377.7 |
Arctic ocean | 90° | -4,000 | 6356.8 |
Urhixidur 16:48, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
At any rate, the statement in this section of the article that "(the bottom of the Mariana Trench is 6,366.4 m (20,887 ft) from the centre of the Earth)." is clearly wrong. Whether it should be 6,366.4 KM or the computed 6377.7 km, I don't know, but some one should edit the correct value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.31.106.49 ( talk) 05:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
What are the extreme inhabited points? Rmhermen 05:49, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
Which island is the most to the south? -- Palnatoke 13:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
So be it, then. :) -- Sebastian Kessel Talk 16:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I've suggested that The world's most northern be merged into this article. Tell me what you think. -- Newguineafan 17:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
sure, is the a world's most southern article?? mexaguil 05:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
make a worlds most southern section, then u can add the worlds most northern page above it
Bourbons3 13:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd prefer to keep the two articles separate. The content is quite different and of a different nature - "extreme" is mostly geographical whereas "most northern" includes more unusual... I don't think the world's most northerly golf course really sits with most northerly island! Definitely keep them separate. Iancaddy 12:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
What does the section about the points that are the "center" of the world have to do with extreme points of the world? It seems kind of offtopic, considering the center is not extreme. -- Michael White T· C 15:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The center is an extreme in the way that as a relative feature is absolute, i.e. in a circle divided between "north, south, west, east" the northernmost point is defined as "farthest point in the northern section in relation to the southernmost, easternmost and westernmost points", a similiar definition goes for the other extremes, and with this the center happens to be "farthest point within the circle from the northenmost, easternmost, westernmost and southernmost points". My point really is that its all 'bout perspective...
I think it'd be extremely interesting to get informations about the planet's highest villages (altitude). I know this'd be difficult, but it'd be an imporant part of a list like this. 213.47.219.86 17:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what the technical term for this would be but I think this should also include more information dependent on habitation (like it does by mentioning Hawaii) What is the northernmost permanent settlement? What point on earth is farthest removed from human settlement? And perhaps also what places have been the historicall least accessed, but I can understand how that might belong on a different list. 140.180.166.176 05:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The roads listed in Tibet are certainly not the highest in the world. As far as I know, the highest road goes to the summit of Aucanquilcha, a volcano in Chile, 6,176 m (20,262 ft). This is a service and haul road for a sulfur mine, passable by 20-ton mining trucks. See this reference:
I've added this info to the article. This mine has been shut down since the 1990s, and the road is falling into disrepair, but increased demand for sulfur could perhaps result in resumption of mining activity someday, and resumed maintenance of the road. -- Seattle Skier (talk) 09:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Would it be right to add the southernmost point on land except Antarctica to the Latitude and longitude list?-- ImPaladin 08:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The northernmost point of the World is the geographic North Pole, in the Arctic Ocean.
Apparently the title for most remote island in the world is being disputed by Tristan da Cunha and the relatively nearby Bouvet Island. I'm quite certain that Saint-Paul island, located in the southern Indian Ocean is definetly further away from any landmass. The closest you can get to St. Paul is the Western tip of Australia, which is over 3,500 kms away. The claim that Tristan da Cunha is the remotest island on Earth is obviously not true, since it's "only" 2,800 kms away from South Africa. I'm going to leave this here so we can get some discussion on it and some time from now I'll fix the article itself, if anybody has any islands that are more remote, go ahead and discuss! Neoncitylights 14:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
---its not island; it's archipelago
Here's a Google Maps link to Tristan da Cunha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shutupgeek ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Remote, with an island, would mean distance from a continental land mass. That's what an island is - land that is not part of a land mass and surrounded by water. Therefore, remoteness would be distance from a non-island. This article currently suggests that remote refers to distance between groups of humans, not land surface. Easter Island is much further from land than Tristan. Also, distance from another island is not the metric of "remote", as Tristan is an archipelago with islands nearby too. Saint-Paul is further from another island than Tristan's main island. The island that is farthest from another island or atoll could be defined as most "solitary" island. As far as isolation of human beings, you'd have to define the population limit or define it as most remote "island settlements" (else the metric would dissolve as people move around or if a large cruise ship approaches). Wikipedia says Easter Island is 2180mi from land. I'll let somebody else accurately measure Ile Saint-Paul's remoteness but there should at least be an entry on this page for remoteness of an island itself (and not its peoples as is currently suggested). Tangverse ( talk) 09:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
in no way is wellington the most remote cap city. i would immediately recognize that canberra is more remote, as it is 1689 miles from port-vila, vanuatu; wellington is 1667 away from port-vila. this is not to say that canberra is the most remote cap city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjwr42 ( talk • contribs) 05:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm just looking at a globe here... but you can simply go from northarmerica (new foundland) though the atlantic, past south africa, to autralia. (Tasmaina) in one line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.108.125 ( talk) 12:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions Kaffeklubben Island, but what about ATOW1996, I see that Kaffeklubben Island is mentioned as the northermost point on land in it's own article too. I'm not sure what's the correct one... anyway this and Kaffekluben Island's article needs to be corrected or the article about ATOW1996 needs to be corrected.
I think reference to the Kola_Superdeep_Borehole should be made some where in this article. May be as the deepest man-made hole. Mahadevan Subramanian ( talk) 13:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I've found that if a distance measurement is of the type that could be verified by any user or any editor with any atlas or many mapping sites on line, then a large majority of editors, administators, etc. do not classify that in any way as original research (and don't require listing any source such as "Times Atlas" and Times gazetteer.) If they were, then 4/5 of WP geography ("10 miles east of.....border Pacific Ocean for 100 miles.....4 miles off the Northern Territories coast"......etc., etc. would have to be deleted,yes? Measurements are certainly verifiable.
I think most would agree that if Auckland at 1 million pop. had a 900,000 pop. city nearby, then it wouldn't be listed as "remote", right?
So where is the "cut-off?" Common sense (and a dictionary definition of "remote") would dictate that a city would be disqualified as "remote" with "big" 400,000 pop. cities like Wellington and Christchurch not too far away (by Perth and Honolulu standards!). For a long time until a few weeks ago, most readers/potential editors of this article apparently seemed to feel that the proximity of a couple cities nearing half a million to Auckland disqualify Auckland from "remote" status, when Perth and Honolulu have no cities over 50,0000 (!) or so pop. anywhere near them. I think most still do. I sure do....makes sense, yes? Comes down to a definition of "remote", I suppose..... But by any definition, "remote" certainly does not mean nearby(by Perth-Honolulu standards!) 400,000 pop. cities, so I reverted back to the way it has been for the past year or two. DLinth ( talk) 01:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a bit of discussion above (under "longest continuous distance at sea"), that seems to relate to the section "Along any great circle", but mixed up with furthest distances "along particular lat/long"; not necessarily the same thing, so I'm adding this under the specific heading in the article.
Regarding any great circle, I seem to remember reading somewhere that a great circle was possible from a point somewhere on the coast of either Alaska or the Aleutian Islands, down the Pacific through the Drake Passage and then 'up' through the Mozambique Channel and up to a point on the coast somewhere on the Arabian Sea. This looks like a longer trip than the two mentioned in the article, but I don't no for sure if it's possible. Can anyone else confirm? —Preceding
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What is the furthest point from the Earth's axis? This would be the fastest moving "point" on earth. The summit of Cayambe seems a likely candidate, as a point on it's slopes is the highest point on the equator. Zarano ( talk) 17:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Checked Cotopaxi, the only peak further from the center of the Earth with a reasonable latitude to be a contender. They were close, but not enough. Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
I was quite enlightened by this extreme point, but found that I was confused by the following wording: More importantly, however, it being so near the equator means that the majority of its distance from the center of the Earth goes into it being away from the axis.
It seems to me that this could be explained in relatively simple mathematical terms in a more concise way other than "goes into it being away from the axis"? I think I understand what that is saying, but it does not seem to me to be wikipedia's voice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 15:11, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Also, perhaps this section should mention that this fastest point is relative to the center of the earth. It does not take into the account the movement of the earth, nor the solar system or galaxy etc. It's nitpicky perhaps, but the concept of declaring that a mountain peak is moving at 1,675.89 km/h, when in fact the earth is moving through space at ~30 km/s relative to the sun (or technically to the center of the solar system), and ~220 km/s relative to the center of the galaxy, and ~1k km/s relative to the great attractor and ~390 km/s relative to the cosmic background radiation (if you trust https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fast-is-the-earth-mov/). Again, it's nitpicky, but seems appropriate for this arbitrary declaration of a mountain peak's speed. All it needs is "relative to the center of the earth." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 15:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Cayambe (volcano) 6383.95 km [1] cos (.025 degrees) = 6383.95 km Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Cotopaxi 6382.06 km [2] cos (.6806 degrees) = 6383.61 km Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Chimborazo (volcano) 6384.4 km [3] cos(1.469167 degrees) = 6382.3 km
Mount Everest 6382.3 km [3] cos(27.987778 degrees) = 5635.9 km
Mariana Trench 6377.7 km cos(11.32 degrees) = 6253.7 km —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.124.28 ( talk) 11:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The coordinates need the following fixes:
24.117.177.65 ( talk) 06:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
There is not enough specificity in this request. Exactly which coordinate should be changed, please? BrainMarble ( talk) 01:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
"However, one could perhaps" Is a weasel statement and is speculation. It needs a citation. 71.85.200.32 ( talk) 02:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
The Kola superdeep borehole record has been surpassed many times. See Sakhalin-I for more information.
The entry needs to be rephrased anyway: as the "Lowest point underground", the answer would be the center of the earth. It needs to be rephrased to mean what it actually means, but I can't think of how to do it without making it too verbose or awkward....
The article doesn't answer the following question:
The bottom of the arctic ocean doesn't qualify. Bomazi ( talk) 15:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
The Farthest Mountaintops from the Center of the Earth
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Hi. I am not familiar with this article and just stopped in in passing, so please forgive me if this question is v stupid or an FAQ or whatever. In the first section. "Latitude and longitude", we have:
So what is that "would be" wording about, rather than "is"? I would be (aha) tempted to change it, but not before asking here if there is perhaps a specific reason for it. It's not generally used in the article, and it's not a beautiful formulation if all that is meant is "is". If something else is meant, perhaps it should be explained for the non-expert reader. (That would be me.) (See what I did there?) Please advise. Thanks and best wishes DBaK ( talk) 07:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
The main page lists this at 406 metres on Rhine-Main-Danube Canal.
This is certainly not the highest. Jinghong [ [2]] at 558m is reachable from the ocean via the Mekong River which is navigable to large vessels at least that far.
Almost certainly the Amazon river approaching Peru would also be higher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.31.40.68 ( talk) 05:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Do we have a standard when referring to distances? An example taken from two entries next to each other in the article:
Should we use meters and feet or kilometres and miles? 111.92.178.246 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Are these record sure? This says:
I think, at 3.288° N, the distance is 18,319 km, from 117.658° E (Indonesia) to 77.507° W (Colombia), nearly touching a small island at 172.967°E -- androl ( talk) 17:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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Wouldn't "most remote city with a population in excess of one million, from another city of at least that population" be Karachi according to List of cities proper by population? C933103 ( talk) 06:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The text describing Tristan da Cunha as most remote place in the world is quite confusing. The description seems to refer to that place as farther from any other **inhabitated** place: The most remote [...] inhabited island is Tristan da Cunha [...] 2,434 km (1,512 mi) from Saint Helena, 2,816 km (1,750 mi) from South Africa, and 3,360 km (2,090 miles) from South America. In that case however, what about Kerguelen Islands which lies according to its wiki article 3,300 km (2,051 mi) from the nearest populated location? If on the contrary we are talking about the inhabited island farther from any other island or from the continent, inhabitated or not, the text and description should first mention the uninhabitated Bouvet island which is 1,845 km (1,146 mi) away, rather than inhabitated places farther from Tristan da Cunha (this is in the case that Tristan is indeed the most remote place according to this criterion, and that Gough Island is considered part of the same archipelago as Tristan da Cunha). But I'd say that the title of most remote inhabitated place farther from any other **inhabitated** place is a natural criterion for "remoteness" that should be considered. It's not clear that Tristan da Cunha holds the title for that. Lerichard ( talk) 13:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
It says that 22 degrees east is the integer meridian with most land but i think 19 degrees is more, it has a lot more land in svalbard and goes even more south then 22 degrees in africa, and there is some land in italy as well. Ev3commander ( talk) 19:23, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
It says that Honolulu is the most remote city with a population of at least 500,000 from any other city of equal or greater size and that the closest such city is San Francisco. Isn't San Diego closer to Honolulu than San Francisco? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.244.227.11 ( talk) 21:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Wouldn't this article benefit from a merger with the very similar Extremes on Earth? I really like the idea behind articles like these, since they try to sum up all of the relevant facts about Earth's most extreme places in one convenient article, but it seems that both articles are attempting to be that "one convenient article" for all of Wikipedia.
Both are ostensibly built upon the same premise: to list, concisely and conveniently, all of Earth's superlative places according to various categories. If you were going to construct such an article from scratch, you would probably want to include geographical categories like highest and lowest points, northernmost/southernmost/easternmost/westernmost points, most remote points, etc.; as the situation currently stands, these categories are mostly handled by Extreme points of Earth (though Extremes on Earth also seems to focus on geographical superlatives and lists high and low points by continent as well as northernmost and southernmost points of land, so there is at least some redundancy between the two articles). Other valuable superlatives might include categories that are more meteorological in nature, things like hottest and coldest, wettest and driest, etc., some of which are lightly covered in Extremes on Earth and much more completely and precisely in List of weather records.
The fact that both Extremes and Extreme points seem to be attempting to present the same broad classes of information but in separate articles (and that they both explicitly reference each other in their introductions) makes me think readers might be better served if all of this information was simply combined into a single article. The presentation of Earth's physical and geographical superlatives is, I believe, a cohesive-enough concept to warrant a single all-inclusive page. As the two articles currently exist, there's a great deal of overlap between them, enough that it is confusing and even frustrating that such similar information is not listed together on a single page. Categories like "Greatest vertical drop", "Greatest oceanic depths", "Deepest ice", and the "Subterranean" extremes are certainly similar enough to geographical superlatives like "Highest points" and "Poles of inaccessibility" that I do not think putting these things side-by-side in the same article would be problematic for any reader; one article can and should capture all of these extremes at the same time, rather than merely suggesting a visit to some other page where the reader can find more of the same. Indeed, trying to articulate a precise distinction between the categories in each article is very difficult to do. It's clear to me, and I hope to others, that the information presented in the two articles is not distinct enough to remain segregated.
Both articles have valuable unique information as well as share redundancies that would obviously need to be corrected in the case of a merger. Extreme points is currently organized and streamlined much more logically than its counterpart, which seems to be more or less a random smattering of facts without any semblance of unity. Organization of the merged article would need to be addressed quickly, but if nothing else I suppose the randomness of Extremes could at least be placed in a "Miscellaneous" section or something of the sort in the final result. Extremes also has a beautiful table displaying high and low elevations and high and low air temperatures for each continent which I think would be valuable even in a merged article. The question that remains, of course, is which article title should be retained? Either would work, I guess, but I like Extremes on Earth better, if only because some categories as they are currently defined may not be best described as "points".
While meteorological superlatives are possibly relevant inclusions, I think the bulk should be left to List of weather records. Hottest and coldest, and maybe wettest and driest, are probably sufficient for this article. I'm also down with cutting them out entirely and leaving the merged article as a showcase of purely physical and geographical extremes.
Anyone else have an opinion on any of this? What are your thoughts regarding a potential merger, and what do you think the idealized article ought to include? PJsg1011 ( talk) 06:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
This seems it would be a good addition to the Highest Points section. Many believe, and/or have stated, that Mount Chimborazo is the closest point to space (as of July 2018: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jan/23/mountain-climbing-chimborazo-ecuador or https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9428163). In both of these examples, they state that Mount Chimborazo is the closest point to space in order to further explain that Mount Chimborazo is the farthest point from the center of the earth.
I think that this is incorrect however, and therefore worth adding to this article that Vinson Massif (specifically Mount Vinson 4,892 m or 16,050 ft) in Antarctica is the closest point to space. You have to define what you mean by "space" or "outer space", but by whatever definition you choose, it seems obvious that the atmosphere is far thinner at the poles (accounting for all atmospheric pressure, temperature and gravitational differences), thus making space or outer space far closer to the earth at the poles (despite the Kármán line defining space as 100km from the surface of the earth by international convention - it seems this article should be described by actual physics-based definitions).
So, it seems that the same people who share the Mount Chimborazo fact to open your mind to the idea that the earth is an oblate spheroid, have not considered that the atmosphere is as well. Therefore I think it seems a pertinent addition to this article. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 16:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
"The Ticlio pass, on the Central Road of Peru, is the highest surfaced road in the Americas, at an elevation of 4,818 m (15,807 feet)." -> Chilean route 27 reaches at least 4832 metres near 23.0725° S, 67.5056° W and is completely surfaced. I do not know if there are not even higher points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sesquideus ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Ice is water, so shouldn't be the southernmost point on water the geographic south pole? GameFreak1337 ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
People keep deleting "Palestine" from the list of 'countries' that surround the Dead Sea (the Earth's lowest point on land). To help prevent this, why not change "Palestine" to the (less controversial) "West Bank", as is done on the Dead Sea page itself? PatricKiwi ( talk) 10:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
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From a point of view that's very possible the earthenmost and westernmost places on earth must not only be in the 180th meridian, they must be, simultaneously, the closest to the equator possible, if not in the equator itself... So that would be a nice addendum to the article...
As far as I know the international date line / 180th meridian is located arbitrarily. So, I wonder what makes the eastern and westernmost points so special (i.e. worth mentioning on this page)? 19:27, 28 september 2009 (CEST)
For the record, the radius of an ellipse of semi-minor axis b (6356.78 km) and semi-major axis a (6378.14 km), at latitude λ (measured at the centre), is:
And thus we have:
Place | Latitude | Altitude (mAMSL) | Radius (km) |
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Mount Everest | 27°59'16" | 8,850 | 6375.6 |
Mount Chimborazo | 1°28' | 6,310 | 6378.1 |
Mariana Trench | 11°19' | -10,911 | 6377.7 |
Arctic ocean | 90° | -4,000 | 6356.8 |
Urhixidur 16:48, 2005 Mar 28 (UTC)
At any rate, the statement in this section of the article that "(the bottom of the Mariana Trench is 6,366.4 m (20,887 ft) from the centre of the Earth)." is clearly wrong. Whether it should be 6,366.4 KM or the computed 6377.7 km, I don't know, but some one should edit the correct value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.31.106.49 ( talk) 05:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
What are the extreme inhabited points? Rmhermen 05:49, Mar 29, 2005 (UTC)
Which island is the most to the south? -- Palnatoke 13:57, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
So be it, then. :) -- Sebastian Kessel Talk 16:05, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
I've suggested that The world's most northern be merged into this article. Tell me what you think. -- Newguineafan 17:03, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
sure, is the a world's most southern article?? mexaguil 05:16, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
make a worlds most southern section, then u can add the worlds most northern page above it
Bourbons3 13:52, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
I'd prefer to keep the two articles separate. The content is quite different and of a different nature - "extreme" is mostly geographical whereas "most northern" includes more unusual... I don't think the world's most northerly golf course really sits with most northerly island! Definitely keep them separate. Iancaddy 12:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
What does the section about the points that are the "center" of the world have to do with extreme points of the world? It seems kind of offtopic, considering the center is not extreme. -- Michael White T· C 15:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The center is an extreme in the way that as a relative feature is absolute, i.e. in a circle divided between "north, south, west, east" the northernmost point is defined as "farthest point in the northern section in relation to the southernmost, easternmost and westernmost points", a similiar definition goes for the other extremes, and with this the center happens to be "farthest point within the circle from the northenmost, easternmost, westernmost and southernmost points". My point really is that its all 'bout perspective...
I think it'd be extremely interesting to get informations about the planet's highest villages (altitude). I know this'd be difficult, but it'd be an imporant part of a list like this. 213.47.219.86 17:09, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what the technical term for this would be but I think this should also include more information dependent on habitation (like it does by mentioning Hawaii) What is the northernmost permanent settlement? What point on earth is farthest removed from human settlement? And perhaps also what places have been the historicall least accessed, but I can understand how that might belong on a different list. 140.180.166.176 05:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The roads listed in Tibet are certainly not the highest in the world. As far as I know, the highest road goes to the summit of Aucanquilcha, a volcano in Chile, 6,176 m (20,262 ft). This is a service and haul road for a sulfur mine, passable by 20-ton mining trucks. See this reference:
I've added this info to the article. This mine has been shut down since the 1990s, and the road is falling into disrepair, but increased demand for sulfur could perhaps result in resumption of mining activity someday, and resumed maintenance of the road. -- Seattle Skier (talk) 09:27, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Would it be right to add the southernmost point on land except Antarctica to the Latitude and longitude list?-- ImPaladin 08:38, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
The northernmost point of the World is the geographic North Pole, in the Arctic Ocean.
Apparently the title for most remote island in the world is being disputed by Tristan da Cunha and the relatively nearby Bouvet Island. I'm quite certain that Saint-Paul island, located in the southern Indian Ocean is definetly further away from any landmass. The closest you can get to St. Paul is the Western tip of Australia, which is over 3,500 kms away. The claim that Tristan da Cunha is the remotest island on Earth is obviously not true, since it's "only" 2,800 kms away from South Africa. I'm going to leave this here so we can get some discussion on it and some time from now I'll fix the article itself, if anybody has any islands that are more remote, go ahead and discuss! Neoncitylights 14:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
---its not island; it's archipelago
Here's a Google Maps link to Tristan da Cunha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shutupgeek ( talk • contribs) 23:12, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
Remote, with an island, would mean distance from a continental land mass. That's what an island is - land that is not part of a land mass and surrounded by water. Therefore, remoteness would be distance from a non-island. This article currently suggests that remote refers to distance between groups of humans, not land surface. Easter Island is much further from land than Tristan. Also, distance from another island is not the metric of "remote", as Tristan is an archipelago with islands nearby too. Saint-Paul is further from another island than Tristan's main island. The island that is farthest from another island or atoll could be defined as most "solitary" island. As far as isolation of human beings, you'd have to define the population limit or define it as most remote "island settlements" (else the metric would dissolve as people move around or if a large cruise ship approaches). Wikipedia says Easter Island is 2180mi from land. I'll let somebody else accurately measure Ile Saint-Paul's remoteness but there should at least be an entry on this page for remoteness of an island itself (and not its peoples as is currently suggested). Tangverse ( talk) 09:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
in no way is wellington the most remote cap city. i would immediately recognize that canberra is more remote, as it is 1689 miles from port-vila, vanuatu; wellington is 1667 away from port-vila. this is not to say that canberra is the most remote cap city. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cjwr42 ( talk • contribs) 05:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm just looking at a globe here... but you can simply go from northarmerica (new foundland) though the atlantic, past south africa, to autralia. (Tasmaina) in one line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.211.108.125 ( talk) 12:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
The article mentions Kaffeklubben Island, but what about ATOW1996, I see that Kaffeklubben Island is mentioned as the northermost point on land in it's own article too. I'm not sure what's the correct one... anyway this and Kaffekluben Island's article needs to be corrected or the article about ATOW1996 needs to be corrected.
I think reference to the Kola_Superdeep_Borehole should be made some where in this article. May be as the deepest man-made hole. Mahadevan Subramanian ( talk) 13:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I've found that if a distance measurement is of the type that could be verified by any user or any editor with any atlas or many mapping sites on line, then a large majority of editors, administators, etc. do not classify that in any way as original research (and don't require listing any source such as "Times Atlas" and Times gazetteer.) If they were, then 4/5 of WP geography ("10 miles east of.....border Pacific Ocean for 100 miles.....4 miles off the Northern Territories coast"......etc., etc. would have to be deleted,yes? Measurements are certainly verifiable.
I think most would agree that if Auckland at 1 million pop. had a 900,000 pop. city nearby, then it wouldn't be listed as "remote", right?
So where is the "cut-off?" Common sense (and a dictionary definition of "remote") would dictate that a city would be disqualified as "remote" with "big" 400,000 pop. cities like Wellington and Christchurch not too far away (by Perth and Honolulu standards!). For a long time until a few weeks ago, most readers/potential editors of this article apparently seemed to feel that the proximity of a couple cities nearing half a million to Auckland disqualify Auckland from "remote" status, when Perth and Honolulu have no cities over 50,0000 (!) or so pop. anywhere near them. I think most still do. I sure do....makes sense, yes? Comes down to a definition of "remote", I suppose..... But by any definition, "remote" certainly does not mean nearby(by Perth-Honolulu standards!) 400,000 pop. cities, so I reverted back to the way it has been for the past year or two. DLinth ( talk) 01:19, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
There seems to be a bit of discussion above (under "longest continuous distance at sea"), that seems to relate to the section "Along any great circle", but mixed up with furthest distances "along particular lat/long"; not necessarily the same thing, so I'm adding this under the specific heading in the article.
Regarding any great circle, I seem to remember reading somewhere that a great circle was possible from a point somewhere on the coast of either Alaska or the Aleutian Islands, down the Pacific through the Drake Passage and then 'up' through the Mozambique Channel and up to a point on the coast somewhere on the Arabian Sea. This looks like a longer trip than the two mentioned in the article, but I don't no for sure if it's possible. Can anyone else confirm? —Preceding
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What is the furthest point from the Earth's axis? This would be the fastest moving "point" on earth. The summit of Cayambe seems a likely candidate, as a point on it's slopes is the highest point on the equator. Zarano ( talk) 17:16, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Checked Cotopaxi, the only peak further from the center of the Earth with a reasonable latitude to be a contender. They were close, but not enough. Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
I was quite enlightened by this extreme point, but found that I was confused by the following wording: More importantly, however, it being so near the equator means that the majority of its distance from the center of the Earth goes into it being away from the axis.
It seems to me that this could be explained in relatively simple mathematical terms in a more concise way other than "goes into it being away from the axis"? I think I understand what that is saying, but it does not seem to me to be wikipedia's voice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 15:11, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Also, perhaps this section should mention that this fastest point is relative to the center of the earth. It does not take into the account the movement of the earth, nor the solar system or galaxy etc. It's nitpicky perhaps, but the concept of declaring that a mountain peak is moving at 1,675.89 km/h, when in fact the earth is moving through space at ~30 km/s relative to the sun (or technically to the center of the solar system), and ~220 km/s relative to the center of the galaxy, and ~1k km/s relative to the great attractor and ~390 km/s relative to the cosmic background radiation (if you trust https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-fast-is-the-earth-mov/). Again, it's nitpicky, but seems appropriate for this arbitrary declaration of a mountain peak's speed. All it needs is "relative to the center of the earth." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 15:22, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
Cayambe (volcano) 6383.95 km [1] cos (.025 degrees) = 6383.95 km Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Cotopaxi 6382.06 km [2] cos (.6806 degrees) = 6383.61 km Bandana man95 ( talk) 05:37, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
Chimborazo (volcano) 6384.4 km [3] cos(1.469167 degrees) = 6382.3 km
Mount Everest 6382.3 km [3] cos(27.987778 degrees) = 5635.9 km
Mariana Trench 6377.7 km cos(11.32 degrees) = 6253.7 km —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.124.28 ( talk) 11:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
The coordinates need the following fixes:
24.117.177.65 ( talk) 06:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
There is not enough specificity in this request. Exactly which coordinate should be changed, please? BrainMarble ( talk) 01:20, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
"However, one could perhaps" Is a weasel statement and is speculation. It needs a citation. 71.85.200.32 ( talk) 02:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
The Kola superdeep borehole record has been surpassed many times. See Sakhalin-I for more information.
The entry needs to be rephrased anyway: as the "Lowest point underground", the answer would be the center of the earth. It needs to be rephrased to mean what it actually means, but I can't think of how to do it without making it too verbose or awkward....
The article doesn't answer the following question:
The bottom of the arctic ocean doesn't qualify. Bomazi ( talk) 15:49, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
The Farthest Mountaintops from the Center of the Earth
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Hi. I am not familiar with this article and just stopped in in passing, so please forgive me if this question is v stupid or an FAQ or whatever. In the first section. "Latitude and longitude", we have:
So what is that "would be" wording about, rather than "is"? I would be (aha) tempted to change it, but not before asking here if there is perhaps a specific reason for it. It's not generally used in the article, and it's not a beautiful formulation if all that is meant is "is". If something else is meant, perhaps it should be explained for the non-expert reader. (That would be me.) (See what I did there?) Please advise. Thanks and best wishes DBaK ( talk) 07:59, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
The main page lists this at 406 metres on Rhine-Main-Danube Canal.
This is certainly not the highest. Jinghong [ [2]] at 558m is reachable from the ocean via the Mekong River which is navigable to large vessels at least that far.
Almost certainly the Amazon river approaching Peru would also be higher. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.31.40.68 ( talk) 05:35, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Do we have a standard when referring to distances? An example taken from two entries next to each other in the article:
Should we use meters and feet or kilometres and miles? 111.92.178.246 ( talk) 18:42, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Are these record sure? This says:
I think, at 3.288° N, the distance is 18,319 km, from 117.658° E (Indonesia) to 77.507° W (Colombia), nearly touching a small island at 172.967°E -- androl ( talk) 17:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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Wouldn't "most remote city with a population in excess of one million, from another city of at least that population" be Karachi according to List of cities proper by population? C933103 ( talk) 06:59, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
The text describing Tristan da Cunha as most remote place in the world is quite confusing. The description seems to refer to that place as farther from any other **inhabitated** place: The most remote [...] inhabited island is Tristan da Cunha [...] 2,434 km (1,512 mi) from Saint Helena, 2,816 km (1,750 mi) from South Africa, and 3,360 km (2,090 miles) from South America. In that case however, what about Kerguelen Islands which lies according to its wiki article 3,300 km (2,051 mi) from the nearest populated location? If on the contrary we are talking about the inhabited island farther from any other island or from the continent, inhabitated or not, the text and description should first mention the uninhabitated Bouvet island which is 1,845 km (1,146 mi) away, rather than inhabitated places farther from Tristan da Cunha (this is in the case that Tristan is indeed the most remote place according to this criterion, and that Gough Island is considered part of the same archipelago as Tristan da Cunha). But I'd say that the title of most remote inhabitated place farther from any other **inhabitated** place is a natural criterion for "remoteness" that should be considered. It's not clear that Tristan da Cunha holds the title for that. Lerichard ( talk) 13:45, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
It says that 22 degrees east is the integer meridian with most land but i think 19 degrees is more, it has a lot more land in svalbard and goes even more south then 22 degrees in africa, and there is some land in italy as well. Ev3commander ( talk) 19:23, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
It says that Honolulu is the most remote city with a population of at least 500,000 from any other city of equal or greater size and that the closest such city is San Francisco. Isn't San Diego closer to Honolulu than San Francisco? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.244.227.11 ( talk) 21:40, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
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Wouldn't this article benefit from a merger with the very similar Extremes on Earth? I really like the idea behind articles like these, since they try to sum up all of the relevant facts about Earth's most extreme places in one convenient article, but it seems that both articles are attempting to be that "one convenient article" for all of Wikipedia.
Both are ostensibly built upon the same premise: to list, concisely and conveniently, all of Earth's superlative places according to various categories. If you were going to construct such an article from scratch, you would probably want to include geographical categories like highest and lowest points, northernmost/southernmost/easternmost/westernmost points, most remote points, etc.; as the situation currently stands, these categories are mostly handled by Extreme points of Earth (though Extremes on Earth also seems to focus on geographical superlatives and lists high and low points by continent as well as northernmost and southernmost points of land, so there is at least some redundancy between the two articles). Other valuable superlatives might include categories that are more meteorological in nature, things like hottest and coldest, wettest and driest, etc., some of which are lightly covered in Extremes on Earth and much more completely and precisely in List of weather records.
The fact that both Extremes and Extreme points seem to be attempting to present the same broad classes of information but in separate articles (and that they both explicitly reference each other in their introductions) makes me think readers might be better served if all of this information was simply combined into a single article. The presentation of Earth's physical and geographical superlatives is, I believe, a cohesive-enough concept to warrant a single all-inclusive page. As the two articles currently exist, there's a great deal of overlap between them, enough that it is confusing and even frustrating that such similar information is not listed together on a single page. Categories like "Greatest vertical drop", "Greatest oceanic depths", "Deepest ice", and the "Subterranean" extremes are certainly similar enough to geographical superlatives like "Highest points" and "Poles of inaccessibility" that I do not think putting these things side-by-side in the same article would be problematic for any reader; one article can and should capture all of these extremes at the same time, rather than merely suggesting a visit to some other page where the reader can find more of the same. Indeed, trying to articulate a precise distinction between the categories in each article is very difficult to do. It's clear to me, and I hope to others, that the information presented in the two articles is not distinct enough to remain segregated.
Both articles have valuable unique information as well as share redundancies that would obviously need to be corrected in the case of a merger. Extreme points is currently organized and streamlined much more logically than its counterpart, which seems to be more or less a random smattering of facts without any semblance of unity. Organization of the merged article would need to be addressed quickly, but if nothing else I suppose the randomness of Extremes could at least be placed in a "Miscellaneous" section or something of the sort in the final result. Extremes also has a beautiful table displaying high and low elevations and high and low air temperatures for each continent which I think would be valuable even in a merged article. The question that remains, of course, is which article title should be retained? Either would work, I guess, but I like Extremes on Earth better, if only because some categories as they are currently defined may not be best described as "points".
While meteorological superlatives are possibly relevant inclusions, I think the bulk should be left to List of weather records. Hottest and coldest, and maybe wettest and driest, are probably sufficient for this article. I'm also down with cutting them out entirely and leaving the merged article as a showcase of purely physical and geographical extremes.
Anyone else have an opinion on any of this? What are your thoughts regarding a potential merger, and what do you think the idealized article ought to include? PJsg1011 ( talk) 06:14, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
This seems it would be a good addition to the Highest Points section. Many believe, and/or have stated, that Mount Chimborazo is the closest point to space (as of July 2018: https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2016/jan/23/mountain-climbing-chimborazo-ecuador or https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9428163). In both of these examples, they state that Mount Chimborazo is the closest point to space in order to further explain that Mount Chimborazo is the farthest point from the center of the earth.
I think that this is incorrect however, and therefore worth adding to this article that Vinson Massif (specifically Mount Vinson 4,892 m or 16,050 ft) in Antarctica is the closest point to space. You have to define what you mean by "space" or "outer space", but by whatever definition you choose, it seems obvious that the atmosphere is far thinner at the poles (accounting for all atmospheric pressure, temperature and gravitational differences), thus making space or outer space far closer to the earth at the poles (despite the Kármán line defining space as 100km from the surface of the earth by international convention - it seems this article should be described by actual physics-based definitions).
So, it seems that the same people who share the Mount Chimborazo fact to open your mind to the idea that the earth is an oblate spheroid, have not considered that the atmosphere is as well. Therefore I think it seems a pertinent addition to this article. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.57.96.130 ( talk) 16:36, 18 July 2018 (UTC)
"The Ticlio pass, on the Central Road of Peru, is the highest surfaced road in the Americas, at an elevation of 4,818 m (15,807 feet)." -> Chilean route 27 reaches at least 4832 metres near 23.0725° S, 67.5056° W and is completely surfaced. I do not know if there are not even higher points. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sesquideus ( talk • contribs) 22:43, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Ice is water, so shouldn't be the southernmost point on water the geographic south pole? GameFreak1337 ( talk) 00:06, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
People keep deleting "Palestine" from the list of 'countries' that surround the Dead Sea (the Earth's lowest point on land). To help prevent this, why not change "Palestine" to the (less controversial) "West Bank", as is done on the Dead Sea page itself? PatricKiwi ( talk) 10:35, 29 August 2020 (UTC)