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the euphrates river is the source of political tension, as turkey, Syria, and Iraq all compete for the use of its waters for irrigation and the generation of hydroelectric power
The Lake Van article says that the lake is saline with no outlet, but Euphrates says that Lake Van is one of the sources of the river. They can't both be right. Anyone have any clarification here? Gwimpey 22:00, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
I was troubled by this inconsistency as well. The "lake" that the Murat Su and Kara Su flow into is the Kerban Dam reservoir. See Murat_River and Karasu_(Euphrates). This can also be seen on a map. I suggest that the article needs to be changed . Jherbold ( talk) 17:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
What is the relevance of mentioning Malayo-Polynesian? Isn't it rather far fetched to suggest an etymology without a source based on Malayo-Polynesian? And why is Pangasinan taken as an example? Meursault2004 00:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
-- Nature freak 18:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)-- Nature freak 18:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The name derivation section right now looks completely crazy to anyone who knows anything about etymology or the Iranian languages. Kurdish and Old Persian are both Iranian languages -- Kurdish is Northwest Iranian while Old Persian is Southwest Iranian.
It is certainly possible that the origin of the word "Euphrates" is from one of the Iranian languages, but you're never going to find out which one by using their modern analogues! It would be like trying to figure out whether a given river in Germany was inhabited by Anglo-Saxons or some other Germanic people by comparing modern English to modern German.
Some referenced arguments for an etymology in the Iranian languages are really needed here. - Saforrest 20:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
What are the criteria to include Jordan within the basin countries? Is there any geological or map's contour standard for this? I think it is quite far and not related neither in environment nor the elevation, as a valley! Ralhazzaa 13:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Article currently reads in part The Khabur and the Balikh River join the Euphrates in eastern Syria... Both rivers have their origins in Turkey. Downstream, through its whole length, the Euphrates receives no further water flow.
Does that mean that neither the Khabur River nor the Balikh River contribute anything? Surely not... while the Khabur doesn't flow for much of the year, it does flow sometimes, and the Balikh is a major watercourse, according to their respective articles. I think I can see what it's trying to say, but it's not correct as is, and a lot more complicated than it might seem. Andrewa 19:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Euphrates dries up to reveal gold/riches. Does this refer to oil reserves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.210.244 ( talk) 21:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
■Soon the river Euphrates will disclose the treasure [the mountain] of gold. So, whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it. — Sahih Bukhari.
■The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Hour will not come to pass before the river Euphrates dries up to unveil the mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of one hundred will die [in the fighting], and every man among them will say: 'Perhaps I may be the only one to remain alive'." — Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim.
■The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Euphrates reveals the treasures within itself. Whoever sees it should not take anything from it". — Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi `Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir az-Zaman, p. 28.
■It [the Euphrates] will uncover a mountain of gold [under it]. — Sunan Abi Da'ud. ( QadeemMusalman ( talk) 13:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC))
??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.0.235 ( talk) 19:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Some important information was lost in 2010 deletions. Similar deletions were made in the Tigris article (on the grounds that it was "mostly unsourced and irrelevant for actual river"). Wikipedia contains many natural physical features, and in many cases, with associated religious, legendary or mythological status. This is an encyclopaedia, not a geographers' reference book. The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The Euphrates flows through the heart of Kurdistan and plays a central role as a symbol of Kurdish national identity. It's incredible that it hasn't been included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZanLJackson ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
= Euphrates! You can see this on internet: The equation of the Mala River with the Euphrates became evident only a few years later with the discovery of the Hattusili I bilingual (Otten 1958: 83, n. 28). Böri ( talk) 13:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
About two weeks back I made edits to the geobox regarding the river's discharge, which were contested and removed. However, I believe the convention for river infoboxes is to have the discharge figures reflect the longest time period of record, or as close to the natural discharge of the river as possible. The existing information in this article says that according to "early and mid 20th century figures" the "natural" discharge of the river is estimated at 36 km3 at Hīt, and that the average discharge "after 1990" is 11.2 km3/year. I assume that said "early and mid 20th century figures", which sounds like something between 1900-1970, reflects a longer record of river flows than "after 1990". Shann º n 22:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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the euphrates river is the source of political tension, as turkey, Syria, and Iraq all compete for the use of its waters for irrigation and the generation of hydroelectric power
The Lake Van article says that the lake is saline with no outlet, but Euphrates says that Lake Van is one of the sources of the river. They can't both be right. Anyone have any clarification here? Gwimpey 22:00, August 2, 2005 (UTC)
I was troubled by this inconsistency as well. The "lake" that the Murat Su and Kara Su flow into is the Kerban Dam reservoir. See Murat_River and Karasu_(Euphrates). This can also be seen on a map. I suggest that the article needs to be changed . Jherbold ( talk) 17:19, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
What is the relevance of mentioning Malayo-Polynesian? Isn't it rather far fetched to suggest an etymology without a source based on Malayo-Polynesian? And why is Pangasinan taken as an example? Meursault2004 00:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
-- Nature freak 18:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)-- Nature freak 18:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The name derivation section right now looks completely crazy to anyone who knows anything about etymology or the Iranian languages. Kurdish and Old Persian are both Iranian languages -- Kurdish is Northwest Iranian while Old Persian is Southwest Iranian.
It is certainly possible that the origin of the word "Euphrates" is from one of the Iranian languages, but you're never going to find out which one by using their modern analogues! It would be like trying to figure out whether a given river in Germany was inhabited by Anglo-Saxons or some other Germanic people by comparing modern English to modern German.
Some referenced arguments for an etymology in the Iranian languages are really needed here. - Saforrest 20:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
What are the criteria to include Jordan within the basin countries? Is there any geological or map's contour standard for this? I think it is quite far and not related neither in environment nor the elevation, as a valley! Ralhazzaa 13:33, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
Article currently reads in part The Khabur and the Balikh River join the Euphrates in eastern Syria... Both rivers have their origins in Turkey. Downstream, through its whole length, the Euphrates receives no further water flow.
Does that mean that neither the Khabur River nor the Balikh River contribute anything? Surely not... while the Khabur doesn't flow for much of the year, it does flow sometimes, and the Balikh is a major watercourse, according to their respective articles. I think I can see what it's trying to say, but it's not correct as is, and a lot more complicated than it might seem. Andrewa 19:52, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
The Euphrates dries up to reveal gold/riches. Does this refer to oil reserves? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.239.210.244 ( talk) 21:05, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
■Soon the river Euphrates will disclose the treasure [the mountain] of gold. So, whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it. — Sahih Bukhari.
■The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Hour will not come to pass before the river Euphrates dries up to unveil the mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of one hundred will die [in the fighting], and every man among them will say: 'Perhaps I may be the only one to remain alive'." — Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim.
■The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Euphrates reveals the treasures within itself. Whoever sees it should not take anything from it". — Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi `Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir az-Zaman, p. 28.
■It [the Euphrates] will uncover a mountain of gold [under it]. — Sunan Abi Da'ud. ( QadeemMusalman ( talk) 13:05, 24 May 2010 (UTC))
??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.72.0.235 ( talk) 19:55, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Some important information was lost in 2010 deletions. Similar deletions were made in the Tigris article (on the grounds that it was "mostly unsourced and irrelevant for actual river"). Wikipedia contains many natural physical features, and in many cases, with associated religious, legendary or mythological status. This is an encyclopaedia, not a geographers' reference book. The Lesser Merlin ( talk) 11:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
The Euphrates flows through the heart of Kurdistan and plays a central role as a symbol of Kurdish national identity. It's incredible that it hasn't been included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZanLJackson ( talk • contribs) 13:35, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
= Euphrates! You can see this on internet: The equation of the Mala River with the Euphrates became evident only a few years later with the discovery of the Hattusili I bilingual (Otten 1958: 83, n. 28). Böri ( talk) 13:45, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
About two weeks back I made edits to the geobox regarding the river's discharge, which were contested and removed. However, I believe the convention for river infoboxes is to have the discharge figures reflect the longest time period of record, or as close to the natural discharge of the river as possible. The existing information in this article says that according to "early and mid 20th century figures" the "natural" discharge of the river is estimated at 36 km3 at Hīt, and that the average discharge "after 1990" is 11.2 km3/year. I assume that said "early and mid 20th century figures", which sounds like something between 1900-1970, reflects a longer record of river flows than "after 1990". Shann º n 22:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
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