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recently added the advert tags, then figured I'd try and edit the article myself because it wasn't that bad to begin with. I removed the tags because I think it has better balance now. Tester er 04:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Erowid.org has been down for moths now. This deserves a mention in the article and, if anyone has one, an explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.38.166.14 ( talk) 01:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Site is not down they recently changed server —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.240.61.143 ( talk) 23:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
To me, phrases like "The information on the site is a compilation of the experiences, words, and efforts of thousands of individuals including users, parents, health professionals, doctors", "The site does not shy away from presenting the positive side of recreational drug use in addition to the negative, and recommends a certain level of safety and responsibility for users" and "An appealing aspect of Erowid is that anyone, whether a member or not..." are nothing but advertising. / SvNH 00:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
(outdent conversation) MatthewBurton did a nice job rewriting the open paragraphs and I concur that the tag is no longer needed. I will remove now - anyone who continues to object, please note it here and let's talk about what you feel needs doing. What I see as the article's main problem going forward is still references; many of the ones currently cited point to Erowid's own website. It would be decidedly preferable if those references pointed to independent third party sources. A Train talk 12:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
What does "erowid" mean? 190.41.69.240 ( talk) 19:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Erowid has received numerous people writing in saying "hey, I heard Dean Edell recommend Erowid", but we have been singularly unable to find recordings or other documentation to confirm this. If anyone has any ideas about how to confirm this for the 'citation needed', feel encouraged to let us know at erowid or post it here :] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthowid ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Note: From this sentence onwards, I'm dropping the prententious politeness and feigned natural intellectual advancement that hangs upon the most of the westen world, and Wikipedia editors especially.
Basically, I've seen that people here are pretty pissed that this article seems to paint erowid in a positive light, rather than being fully down the line and not backing any side of the argument. I understand where this shit is coming from, but I'd like to propose this is wrong. At the end of the day, wikipedia is trying to record the facts, and the fact is pretty fucking plain, that erowid is pretty fucking fair. People try and discredit this site, because it has information which isn't an automatic discredit of "Drugs!", but I feel it hasn't dawned on anyone (atleast on a undefiable, concious level) that the article may reflect this because it's the truth?
Neutrality is a big part of wikipedia, but neutraility (atleast in my interpretation) doesn't mean sitting on the fence, it means an affirmitive fact based upon TRUTHS (rather than opinions). There is not definitive point to this post (I apologise, my pretention has creeped back in...I never use words such as definitive in my true form, this apology is in itself pretenious)m but I think it would be a useful thing to read for all potential editors of this page. Asta la Vista (the part of me who cares about the world feels compelled to tell you I recognise that the spelling preceeding this is most likely incorrect).
"The accessibility of correct information as well as the general populous possessing the potential to increase its knowledgeability by its own means is frowned upon by the public school establishment." --- I beg your pardon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.249.52 ( talk) 19:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
The website seems to have disappeared! Memyme11 ( talk) 10:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
These two individuals have been cited repeatedly by pseudonym; at the same time, we're told fairly specific information, including that they work as public-speakers, and maintain a foundation, and so on. Is it wrong to demand that we get some names, here? If their anonymity was crucial to them avoiding imprisonment or other censure, I seriously doubt they'd be making themselves available as public-speakers -- and those donations go *somewhere* -- so who the hell are "Earth Erowid" and "Fire Erowid"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.152.160 ( talk) 07:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Erowid uses no sources in his information and is leading a misinformation campaign. For example, when I looked up 'marijuana trade funds terrorism', a link to his page popped up, simply stating "no, it isn't. terrorism is funded by the US government and gasoline sales", which is a completely random conspiracy theory. Apparently he thinks that buying drugs from the Columbian Cartels doesn't fund them as much as... gasoline sales?! I mean, really. If he had half a brain he could just look up and see that most of the marijuana trade comes from Columbia. Hes misleading by telling people its okay to buy (directly or indirectly) from the worst terrorist organizations on the earth. Even organizations that support illicit drug use say that their illegal trade directly supports terrorism. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42/071.html; http://www.cfdp.ca/terror.htm#tlb1 -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 22:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
IronMaidenRocks seems to be unaware of the fact that a significant portion of marijuana in the US is locally-grown (often by individuals completely unaffiliated with terrorists, gangs, or other "criminal groups"). The crops grown for dispensaries in states where it is legal may indeed be Colombian, but I have no sources to assert that claim. 72.94.21.217 ( talk) 21:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Is there any discussion or concensus on using Erowid as a source in wikipedia? -- Custoo ( talk) 12:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Here are the discussions in the Wikipedia namespace that I found:
All the other entries in the Wikipedia namespace seem to be trivial mentions. Hope this is helpful! JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/23/the-trip-planners
The Trip Planners: The unusual couple behind an online encyclopedia of psychoactive substances.
By Emily Witt
The New Yorker
November 23, 2015
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recently added the advert tags, then figured I'd try and edit the article myself because it wasn't that bad to begin with. I removed the tags because I think it has better balance now. Tester er 04:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Erowid.org has been down for moths now. This deserves a mention in the article and, if anyone has one, an explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.38.166.14 ( talk) 01:38, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Site is not down they recently changed server —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.240.61.143 ( talk) 23:19, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
To me, phrases like "The information on the site is a compilation of the experiences, words, and efforts of thousands of individuals including users, parents, health professionals, doctors", "The site does not shy away from presenting the positive side of recreational drug use in addition to the negative, and recommends a certain level of safety and responsibility for users" and "An appealing aspect of Erowid is that anyone, whether a member or not..." are nothing but advertising. / SvNH 00:55, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
(outdent conversation) MatthewBurton did a nice job rewriting the open paragraphs and I concur that the tag is no longer needed. I will remove now - anyone who continues to object, please note it here and let's talk about what you feel needs doing. What I see as the article's main problem going forward is still references; many of the ones currently cited point to Erowid's own website. It would be decidedly preferable if those references pointed to independent third party sources. A Train talk 12:32, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
What does "erowid" mean? 190.41.69.240 ( talk) 19:24, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Erowid has received numerous people writing in saying "hey, I heard Dean Edell recommend Erowid", but we have been singularly unable to find recordings or other documentation to confirm this. If anyone has any ideas about how to confirm this for the 'citation needed', feel encouraged to let us know at erowid or post it here :] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Earthowid ( talk • contribs) 04:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Note: From this sentence onwards, I'm dropping the prententious politeness and feigned natural intellectual advancement that hangs upon the most of the westen world, and Wikipedia editors especially.
Basically, I've seen that people here are pretty pissed that this article seems to paint erowid in a positive light, rather than being fully down the line and not backing any side of the argument. I understand where this shit is coming from, but I'd like to propose this is wrong. At the end of the day, wikipedia is trying to record the facts, and the fact is pretty fucking plain, that erowid is pretty fucking fair. People try and discredit this site, because it has information which isn't an automatic discredit of "Drugs!", but I feel it hasn't dawned on anyone (atleast on a undefiable, concious level) that the article may reflect this because it's the truth?
Neutrality is a big part of wikipedia, but neutraility (atleast in my interpretation) doesn't mean sitting on the fence, it means an affirmitive fact based upon TRUTHS (rather than opinions). There is not definitive point to this post (I apologise, my pretention has creeped back in...I never use words such as definitive in my true form, this apology is in itself pretenious)m but I think it would be a useful thing to read for all potential editors of this page. Asta la Vista (the part of me who cares about the world feels compelled to tell you I recognise that the spelling preceeding this is most likely incorrect).
"The accessibility of correct information as well as the general populous possessing the potential to increase its knowledgeability by its own means is frowned upon by the public school establishment." --- I beg your pardon? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.252.249.52 ( talk) 19:22, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
The website seems to have disappeared! Memyme11 ( talk) 10:51, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
These two individuals have been cited repeatedly by pseudonym; at the same time, we're told fairly specific information, including that they work as public-speakers, and maintain a foundation, and so on. Is it wrong to demand that we get some names, here? If their anonymity was crucial to them avoiding imprisonment or other censure, I seriously doubt they'd be making themselves available as public-speakers -- and those donations go *somewhere* -- so who the hell are "Earth Erowid" and "Fire Erowid"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.152.160 ( talk) 07:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, Erowid uses no sources in his information and is leading a misinformation campaign. For example, when I looked up 'marijuana trade funds terrorism', a link to his page popped up, simply stating "no, it isn't. terrorism is funded by the US government and gasoline sales", which is a completely random conspiracy theory. Apparently he thinks that buying drugs from the Columbian Cartels doesn't fund them as much as... gasoline sales?! I mean, really. If he had half a brain he could just look up and see that most of the marijuana trade comes from Columbia. Hes misleading by telling people its okay to buy (directly or indirectly) from the worst terrorist organizations on the earth. Even organizations that support illicit drug use say that their illegal trade directly supports terrorism. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/42/071.html; http://www.cfdp.ca/terror.htm#tlb1 -- IronMaidenRocks ( talk) 22:47, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
IronMaidenRocks seems to be unaware of the fact that a significant portion of marijuana in the US is locally-grown (often by individuals completely unaffiliated with terrorists, gangs, or other "criminal groups"). The crops grown for dispensaries in states where it is legal may indeed be Colombian, but I have no sources to assert that claim. 72.94.21.217 ( talk) 21:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Is there any discussion or concensus on using Erowid as a source in wikipedia? -- Custoo ( talk) 12:33, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
Here are the discussions in the Wikipedia namespace that I found:
All the other entries in the Wikipedia namespace seem to be trivial mentions. Hope this is helpful! JesseW, the juggling janitor 07:59, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/11/23/the-trip-planners
The Trip Planners: The unusual couple behind an online encyclopedia of psychoactive substances.
By Emily Witt
The New Yorker
November 23, 2015
--
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Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just modified one external link on Erowid. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
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This article reads like a fan page. Adamsjrcn ( talk) 09:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)